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Optimist,
I admit you were wrong. Satisfied my multi personalitised friend.
Do any of you have your own opinions? Or do you just flutter into a fancy of fine flatulence.
Google is a very large number elsewhere.
GG, the night watchman is available
Optimist #97,
Fair enough. I addressed what you said, not the context in which you said it, and the fact is that GG was shifting the goalposts. However, Obama himself has admitted that he doesn’t know how he would have voted IF he were a Senator, due to his non-access to the classified briefings which were given to the Senate (and, no doubt, higlhy slanted).
GG #98,
How did Obama throw Pfleger under the Bus? Pfleger was never on Obama’s campaign in the first place, and he made incendiary, racially-charged comments. I actually commend Obama for disowning them so quickly. He stated that he was “disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric”. As far as I’m aware, he wasn’t Obama’s personal spiritual counselor (as Wright was), nor a close supporter of the Obama campaign. There is (as far as I’m aware) simply no evidence that he and Obama had any particular association in the first place.
92 “You are forgiven.”
Good God! Spoken like a true deity.
Matthew,
My personal view is that Pfleger got the “green light” from Team Obama. Timing and content were remarkably convenient. I don’t believe in co incidences.
It also leads in to the question of how a person can sit in a church congregation for twenty years and “allegedly” be shocked by the words of the preachers who practice there. I smell bulldust. This is a judgement issue. To me he is either a liar or a fool (and Obama is no fool).
steve,
Thank you. I always wanted to be Chris Judd.
GG #105,
It is clear that no matter what new information is unearthed, you will continue to believe badly of Senator Obama.
Can we just leave the evaluations at that, and return to discussing the likely outcome of the US election?
This site should come in handy – http://www.electoral-vote.com
Mathew good luck with your noble quest re: Obama, but rest assured it willl be fruitless
Thankyou MC, well said this bitterness is getting very tiresome indeed.
Matthew,
Can assure you and others that the only bitterness I hold, is a stubby of Vic.
This is a feature of this blog. Apparently, if you don’t go with the majority view you are bitter. The fact is that I have alternative views and am not afraid to articulate same. If you can’t deal with it, find another hobby.
I have said before that I was a Hillary supporter. Now that she is out of the big picture (temporarily?) then I am looking at the reamining characters. Obama is young and callow, but apparently charismatic. McCain is old and carries a legacy from Bush through Iraq and the downturn in the economy.
So genuinely, I am open to persuasion. However, the Obama team needs to come up with some real policies not just rely on anti Republican feeling.
As for Votemaster. I am a big fan and tune in daily because he just puts the numbers up as they are and provides uninflated commentary. I have already said today that the current polls will be misleading and that the only interesting aspect is the trend. Will take more closer interest after the Conventions.
Who wants to have a play at “pick the VP’s”? Something to keep things interesting here in quiet times. No wine or any prizes. Just for fun.
A Pollbludger sweepstakes.
JV ,or anyone else , would you be interested in organising like you did the “Hillary Deathwatch” game? Personally i’m hopeless at that kinda thing. Don’t even know how to use the quote feature lol.
Everyone could have a pick for each Party.
I’ll kick it off.
Democrat: Kathleen Sebelius(KS)
Republican: Mark Sanford(SC)
GG @ 110 [So genuinely, I am open to persuasion.]
Hahahahahhahaha …. ha. Ha ha ha ha … Ah…ha ha …hee hee … … … hahahaha…. aaah, hahaha … … … ha … oh, dear … (wipes eyes)
Never laughed so much in all my life.
JV,
DuDah, Not persuaded yet.
Join the lucky losers over with Optimist and his multiple personalities.
Continuing to argue that the nomination should be HRC’s is like arguing for Gore in 2000, Nixon in 1960 or Whitlam in 1975… POINTLESS AND BLIND TO REALITY.
HRC is only relevant in terms of her support base moving to Obama or not in the General – this is no small thing and, unless BO pulls away from McCain comfortably in the rust belt by July, probably crucial enough to necessitate picking HRC for VP.
At least ESJ speaks to this angle from time to time, but when he and the amigos go on about the stolen nomination, etc… well, why don’t we take up bandwidth and talk about how Kennedy gypped Nixon as well??!
Not that I agree it was “stolen” by any means, but its an irrelevant argument now.
I keep looking at those 13 states, see how impt Ohio, PA and Michigan are – and tend to agree with Possum that he has to pick Hilary unless he finds a comfort zone there in his own right before choosing. This is FAR from proven yet!
I’ll go for:
Pawlenty and Warner
BTW I like the cut and thrust and outright bitterness of the US thread. Has anyone been on the Federal thread? It’s a great big lovefest. I can’t tolerate so much niceness and conformity. It makes me feel like retching.
#116 Diog, one hand clappin’ is not NORMAL
Haven’t visited the Federal Thread for months.
Expat Follower,
Wecome to the cauldron. Nice to have a new enthusiatic contributor.
Looking at Votemaster today, the midwest seems to be where the action is regarding this election. There are about 83 Evs on margins of less than 5%. These States will obviously decide the election.
As said earlier, the current numbers have an Obama haze about them and I will be waiting for later numbers before drawing any conclusions.
HarryH,
you really think Sebelius over Webb?
I won’t be surprised if McCain goes for Bobby Jindal or possibly Romney purely for the Michigan factor.
HarryH introduces a new concept of exclusion. “Threadism”.
Pick the VPs:
Democrat – not willing to take a shot yet. My thinking is on Sebelius (Gov-KS), however.
Republican – If McCain knows what he’s doing, Bobby Jindal (Gov-LA).
Mathew,
snap.
Optimist #124,
snap?
I’ve run into this term before.
What does it mean?
Mathew,
we both suggested Bobby Jindal at precisely the same time.
Snap is a kids card game – each kid holds half a deck and places a single card face up onto the pile on the table. When one card of a given suit is followed by a card of the same suit, the first to yell snap and place their hand on the pile wins the round.
Identical suggestions of Jinal at the same exact time – hence snap!
Harry H
I’ll go for Jindal and Sibelius. Without much confidence on either.
Me too on Jindal, I see – he gives McCain youth, which he needs desperately
you can play the VP game too GG. We’re all one big family here.
Just put your VP picks up……and then we’ll throw you back off the bus.
Optimist #124,
Ah. I see.
Also, Hillary remains as definite possibility for the VP slot (as Expat Follower #115 mentions). I’d rather see her as a Senator, though. She could get much more done – she has a legislative temperament and can get a lot through hostile Houses.
I’m hoping that Antonin Scalia has a massive coronary and that Hillary replaces him on the USSC.
I think she’d compromise the change message for Obama.
Optimist @ 126 Re “Snap” –
I thought that was the audible sound from Belinda Neal’s cranium when a bar person forgets to put a little umbrella in her drink.
And that the massive Democratic congressional majority sees a swift confirmation for HRC.
HarryH,
Do the wheels go round and round,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtuXrV_KnM
Optimist #131:
Huh?
Let’s see: Hillary would get through – she’s a top-flight lawyer, with a lot of legal experience.
She’s uphold Roe V Wade, and probably fall in line behind Obama’s other stuff.
Remember – as far as policies go, there’s not a pin’s worth of difference between them.
Besides, she’d probably decline such a nomination. She wants to have another chance, this time with a functioning campaign staff.
jv,
hheeheehee.
GG
Speaking of wheels on the bus, i could do a Dean Mighell impersonation and call you a skidmark …but that would be uncouth.
Got any VP picks?
Mathew,
Optimist has too much bitterness about Hillary. So do the rest of his personalities.
117 “#116 Diog, one hand clappin’ is not NORMAL”
Finns does this one hand clappin’ include the HRC cheersquad or is their support different to Federal politics in Australia and support for BO?
HarryH,
And I could refer to your premature ejaculations, inaccurate predictions and your improvident gambling.
You have always been the best customer for last nails.
i still think webb the best pick. Former repug, military credentials, endorsed by Reagan in the past. Yes also a first term senator but in the same way as Obama not tainted by Iraq
Was just looking at electoralvote (which is looking very blue ATM, but I agree with GG that we need to wait for the conventions before taking much notice) and saw that the Repugs have NEVER got more than 9% of the vote in DC. Do they euthanise anyone who looks like a Repug there? Is Mugabe the electoral officer there? What gives?
PS Hillary for SCOTUS?? Hahahaha. That second rate mind would get eaten alive on the Supreme Court especially as she hasn’t practiced law for 20 years. Give me a break!
#139, we the 3 Amigos dont clap, we fight, we ride and we love
Finns,
Hussar!
Dio #142,
Please stop trashing Hillary.
Some much worse people have made it into SCOTUS.
Hillary Clinton is actually quite intelligent.
GG, can i do the lovin bit, pleeeease. dont like fighting
143 You mean, ‘all for one’? Since the ‘one for all’ has suspended her campaign? But which one has the allegiance moved to now? Hillary for VP and then confusion if it doesn’t eventuate, perhaps, Finns.
Matt
Hillary is quite intelligent but she is not remotely in the league of a Supreme Court judge either in intellect or in legal expertise. These people are meant to be there for their jurisprudence, not as a sop for political convenience. She is a politician NOT a lawyer, let alone a judge.
And just because worse people have made SCOTUS does not bear any relevance on whether Obama should appoint her. What happened to appointing people based on merit rather than for political expediency? That’s where the US (and Oz) have gone wrong recently by politicising every aspect of our lives. Obama should be above such a tawdry appointment.
Finns,
It sounds like a C&W song to me that hasn’t been written.
#147, So just to save few more of my brain cells, my amigo GG has put it rather well.
#110 [So genuinely, I am open to persuasion. However, the Obama team needs to come up with some real policies not just rely on anti Republican feeling.]
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