Via Peter Brent at Mumble comes the news that Labor’s lead in tomorrow’s Newspoll is up to 59-41 from 57-43 a fortnight ago. More to follow …
UPDATE: The Australian report was apparently up first, which they interestingly seem to be doing a little earlier now.
UPDATE 2: Graphic here.
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Yes. My Dad. He was born in England, but lived here for about 45 years before becoming an Australian citizen. He only did that so he could get a job in the public service.
**Did u actually read what I said WHO WAS BORN HERE, when u said your dad was born in ENgland u moron
People can identify as being from more than one country. My mum has been here most of her life, but if you asked her she would say she was BOTH Greek and Australian. You can be more than one thing because people are COMPLICATED
**And I was saying that in regards to people who were born in Australia and lived their whole lives here who refere to themselves as another nationality I think its wrong
The problem is you have killed your argument. First you say this is about English skills, then you say it is about religious affiliation. Now you say it is about a state of mind, about what national allegiance people think they have.
**And no I actually do have an opinion on a whole range of things you idiot it was never about one single aspect of the conversation
Steveo
i repeat-what is an “australian value”
regarding Al Saud and its artificial structure (created by the west incidentally) unfortunately an amount of repression does happen,but as you well know Nth Korea is the most abusive,but still religion goes on (as one m luther put it so succintly-in the heart)
If we are the Pinnacle of civilisation,surely the very strength of our structures and laws will,in effect, allow those peoples from less enlightened regimes to actively embrace and reinforce these institutions,perhaps even enlightening those peoples from whence they once had come from.
dont be scared of the boogeyman steveo,it only holds you back from learning and growing
I think this sums up steveo’s point leadership
Steveo @ 159 -
MayoFeral and Kina @ 89
All these forigners comming here who dont asimilate,
You mean like you or your ancestors? Or do you live as the Aboriginal tribe in your area lives (assuming your ‘foreigner’ ancestors didn’t kill them off) and abide by their culture and religious beliefs?
we will become the minority in this country if we are not careful because of some minorites who want to change our culural identity and way of life will will become out numbered by them soon and will be like a minority in our OWN COIUNTRY
Same answer as per above.
However, what I object to is imprisoning and torturing genuine refugees for base political purposes. The proof that most were is that they eventually accepted as such even by the Howard government.
I also object to imprisoning and torturing a few, mostly genuine, refugees while perhaps 200,000, mostly non genuine, true illegal immigrants came here unchallenged by air on tourist visas. On Immigration’s own figures at around the time of Tampa there were at least 60,000 mainly European and North American illegal immigrants living here. At the time most commentators with expertise in this area believed the numbers were at least 200,000.
I further object to my tax dollars being wasted on the travesty that was the detention centres and, particularly, the Pacific ’solution’!
Oh, and for the record, I arrived here on a boat, too. One chartered by the Menzies government. And one I might add that was so rickety that it promptly sank not long afterwards – shades of the Sieve X!
There were undoubtedly many people then who had the same opinion of me and my family as you have about more recent arrivals. They may even have been right.
Harry “Snapper” Organs
You moron the imigration I am talking about now is about massive immigration of a huge scale I am not going to talk about 200 Chinaman who migrated here during the goldrush, it is irrelavant to what I am talking about now u fool
MayoFeral
Look dont give me this shit about how ohh we never asmilated into the Aboriginals culture
So why should people comming here today asimilate blah blah blah
that argument just proves how moronic u are
Stevo @ 196
“the MAJORITY OF AUSTRALIANS DO NOT WANT MUSLIMS HERE”
Stevo, this sort of unsubstantiated commentary about something as sensitive (and important) as race relations in Australia won’t wash here I’m afraid. PB contributors tend to be a little more cerebral than the hot-tempered monkeys on tabloid chat forums.
So here’s your chance: where’s your evidence?
Allan back at 199. Skips are Skippys=identify as Australians, from Skippy the Kangaroo T.V. program.
gusface
Australian culture is speaking in the National language
“Australian English”
It is women not wearing head gear
It is not intimidating people for no reason
i thought it was cause we lived in skips (bins)
steveo: Dat zegt u dat zelfs als u uit een regime komt dat u voor godsdienstige of politieke geloven moord, als u don’ t spreekt Engelse don’ t denkt zelfs na hier komend. U moet aan mijn Soedanese buur over hoe spreken dankbaar sommige mensen bij wordt gegeven een kans bij vrijheid zijn. !
Sondeo, that is swine Dutch!
‘don’t'??
Everyone’s favourite Chair Sniffer Buswell survived another leadership spill today. No numbers, so no idea of how close it was.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/buswell-survives-leadership-spill-20080617-2rwq.html
Stevo,
when you stated that “the MAJORITY OF AUSTRALIANS DO NOT WANT MUSLIMS HERE”, were you referring to a specific quantitative survey of any kind? If yes, can you please provide details?
Jovial Monk: more like the online translator version of:
steveo:So you are saying that even if you come from a regime that is murdering you for religious or political beliefs,if you don’t speak english don’t even consider coming here. You need to speak to my Sudanese neighbour about how grateful some people are at being given a chance at freedom.
sondeo Says
I can do that too mate
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Steveo at 204, I think when you descend into name calling, you demonstrate your inability to mount and sustain an argument. I was not referring to the specific Chinese on the goldfields events, but to the historical complexity of migration of peoples from different parts of the world for different reasons, sometimes their own and sometimes propelled by the needs of the country, both for ill and good reasons. The compelling current national need for migration is the skills shortage. Do you have an alternative solution to the skills shortage?
If you treat people with fear and suspicion, how do you think they will react to you? If you treat people openly and with a willingness to learn about them, and for them to get to know you, how do you think they will react?
Steveo @ 193 -
well thats a good point u raise because thats anothing thing that pisses me off these people who were born here dont want to be considered to be
AUSTRLIAN
they want to be LEBS OR LEBANESE
and that upsets me
I mean why is it that people who arent of british or Irish decent usually dont call themselves Australian?
My best friend is a Brit who refuses to take out Australian citizenship, even on a dual citizenship basis, and classes himself as British even though he’s been here for upwards of 50 years. IME, he isn’t the only one.
No this is closer to steves point of view
Inner Westie
I am just trying to find it now if i can
It was a ninemsn poll a while back
and it was extremely high the amount of Australian that wanted to stop muslim imigration I dont know if i will be able to find it by ill do my best
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
This is actually on topic and not taking the bait from some pretend troll.
From News.com:
That’s funny.
“He did not refer specifically to today’s Newspoll “. I bet he didn’t.
“Wear thin”? “No longer starry-eyed”?
Good God, if today’s Newspoll is wearing thin, I’d hate to see a “surge of popularity”.
Brendan has been caught out reading the prepared statement he thought he’d be reading after being told by Dennis and the rest how wonderful he was; what a political genius he was.
Psssst! Brendan! It’s in the other pocket.Who does this bloke think he’s fooling? The Hard-Heads in the Lib right? The voters? Himself?
Poor tool.
MayoFeral Says
I am talking about people who are born breed in Australia not in Britian or Lebanon
@ 215
Well, there’s our evidence. The Young Liberals have released their latest lab test. He’s a bit bristly and quick to insult (and claims, oddly, to be an atheist), but with time and a little more tweaking he’ll be just right for the job. (Or she, or it.)
You little beauty!
Actually steveo has raised a really good point
the pig ignorant,unherded,unfed,unfeted,unfettered,dare i say it,unloved are rutting around seeking some form of relevance
oh the pain the pain
where is our hero
johnny?
bwaaa i want johnny
208
Steveo Says:
June 17th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
It is women not wearing head gear
Steveo, If you think a ninemsn poll will produce anything other than howls of derisive laughter from around here, you’re in for a surprise.
Steveoeooeoeo,
Look at this, mate:
http://www.nma.gov.au/collections/collection_interactives/harvest_of_endurance_html_version/explore_the_scroll/australian_gold_rush/
Please try to build an educated argument, no matter how difficult you may find the task.
{It is women not wearing head gear }
What, like the women & girls I used to see in church wearing veils, like the nuns, both RC & Anglican who used to wear head gear, like the nurses & matrons who used to & in some cases, still do, wear head gear.
And there are many more examples like the brides you see every saturday at most churches in the country etc.
Grow up mate and get a life. This post is about the latest Newspoll, I thought. not an avenue for your juvenile rantings.
Steveo,
don’t bother looking for the ninemsm poll. Along with all quality uncontrolled online surveys, it’s not worth the binary code its written on.
That you’re prepared to quote this stuff as fact is simply bizarre. But having said that, if 70% of respondents claimed Mark Latham’s man boobs were unpleasant to think about whilst eating dim sims, I’d take that as gospel.
charles @ 219
yep
Why is everyone in here Left wing for?
This aint fair nor ballanced
Your all bleeding hearts determined to see Australia go to the gutter hole just like France, Netherlands, UK, Belgium etc
Barcelona Tonight doing another hatchet job on the Feds, this time re childcare.
Maybe the reason for the Australian public’s obstinate refusal to stop liking Kevin Rudd is that they don’t like the media telling them what to do? Especially if doing so involves facilitating Brendan Nelson looking smug?
Why label anyone here as any type of wing.? There are those on the right of politics……Petro Georgiou comes to mind…..that agree with the majority on this forum.
Link:http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Insider-outsider/2005/02/15/1108230007168.html
It’s not about being a type. Just a decent human.
Although I must admit Barcelona Tonight did a lovely hatchet job on Howard’s IR policy last year so I shouldn’t complain.
Steveo, ‘please explain’ how France, (the) Netherlands, (the) UK, Belgium, ‘etc’ (what are these etc. countries?) are ‘go to the gutter hole’? I live in the UK and have a very pleasant life.
I am Australian, but my family is about 6th generation Irish. What do they do, they call themselves Irish. They get misty-eyed over ‘Danny Boy’, they dislike the Royal family.
The first time I went to Ireland and said I was Irish, people laughed at me and told me I wasn’t….. The whole country is made up of immigrants Steveo and everyone assimilates to a certain level. You are just trying to find excuses to be express your dislike for Muslims ( and I assume any other group of immigrants who “don’t look like us”).
Bushy @ 221, A bit of a laugh was had earlier on in the day, with opinion divided between whether it was chutzpah or a delusional state precipitated by the stress of going backwards, despite how helpful the maaaates in the MSM have been, and sitting in the gutter at 3am with the sad and neglected, and the pain, the paaaain of feeling for those who have to fork out good money to top up the Beemer to run the kids down to the holiday house. Personally, I prefer the second scenario. Earlier, the story was of Brendon (I’m a doctor) giving a pep talk to the troops. I was home and watched QT, and all I can say is they look so thoroughly demoralised, it cheered me up no end.
You’d think the bureaucrats would learn: four beers a “binge” indeed! A perfectly good noun with damning connatations is now rendered harmless. Didn’t they know that Australian irony would destroy their narrow-lipped intent? The once pejorative, savagely deft “binge” will now become a colloquialism for “having a few”. Nett effect: worsen the behaviour you were trying to moderate. Stone the crows!
Harry @ 207
Thanks for that. You learn something new everyday. But I’ve just realised I’m old enough to actually remember (and even enjoyed) that programme. Bugger.
Tt Tt Tt (or whatever it was Skippy used to say!)
Tony Abbott on Sky Nooze Agenda said that polls were important and that if the next couple did not show an improvement then Brenda is in deep poo (my interpretation).
So I reckon Brenda has 4-6 weeks left, but this maybe makes his reign as opposition leader longer than Lord Dolly of Mayo.
Allan @ 207. Perhaps, the LNP could see if Skippy was available to explain Australian values to Steveo and Brendon (I’m a doctor)?
Steve-o at #230
Seriously, I thought from all your previous comments comments you were a lefty…..
Neither side of politics is prepared to address your questions, it gets too ugly too quickly
Whilst the climate continues to warm each day, whilst some people struggle to find a job or pay their rent each day or week, whilst Robert Mugabe allegedly commits crimes against his people and stuffs up his country, Sophie Mirabella and the Liberal Party cry crocodile tears over Belinda Neal, fair dinkum.
The big issues… Yep the big issues… What a joke… What a stupid world we live in.
And Sophie could you please tell us what you are doing for your electorate? You dill.
Mr Squiggle, I’ve been trying, for some considerable time this afternoon, to invite Steveo to actually think about what he’s saying, back it up with evidence, and have ignored being called a moron and a fool, and continued to try and engage around what I could make out to be a concern about migration, to no avail. I think if you actually read through what has been posted, you would see others have done the same, more or less.
Do you have some amazing insight about migration that would address Steveo’s concerns, if you can actually work out what they are?
The world MSM along with the likes of Bush and Howard and Co helped demonise the word Muslim and to equate it with violence, danger, ter*r@sm. So now days for many it is a pavlov dog response to the word Muslim.
Bush and Howard and their campaign for the profits of defence companies encouraged this process because it helped legitimise their jobs and it was something thy could play on to keep power.
Every time there was a b*mbing the MSM would say it was from not just any old murderous ter*r@sts but Muslim ones – thus giving them the notoriety and glory they were seeking. Bush and extremists lived in a symbiotic arrangement needing each other to prosper.
However there are 200 million odd muslims just to the north who only want to get on with life like everyone else.
It is self fullfiling prophecy in a way – if we get Muslim immigrants then treat them like a dangerous enemy with no respect and so forth we create an environment that can breed resentment.
Multi-culturalism is good because it fully accepts differences in cultural backgrounds – it doesn’t mean non-assimilation into society. Just look at the Chinese wherever they are they maintain traditions, their own etiquettes and beliefs but are successful in society. People of different back grounds, especially new arrivals can feel welcomed and accepted as legitimate. The worst thing is to marginalise, ostracise people for their differences – it only creates problems.
Why did the Fibs fail to report Neale to the priveledge committee? Surely this would be the prudent course of action?
But maybe they don’t want Sophies “man hater” comments to become public?
Mr Squiggle
No i am right wing, yourself?
Who cares ruawake, politics is about policies and issues not trivia and dribble.
If they want to engage in this stuff they should go to a kindergarten.
But the Govt. has referred it. Ha Ha. Look out Soph.
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