Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Where have all the pollsters gone?

• Recent form suggests Roy Morgan has moved from weekly to fortnightly, and it seems the West Australian either didn’t conduct or didn’t publish its normal monthly Westpoll survey of state voting intention.

George Megalogenis of The Australian wrote yesterday of “special analysis” of Newspoll showing that since the May budget the Prime Minister has suffered “double-digit falls in his popularity among higher-income earners, full-time workers and people aged 35-49”. We are also told the PM “didn’t do as badly among households with children – they trimmed his rating by 7.7 percentage points to 60.9 per cent, while those without children cut it by 10.7 points to 56.8 per cent”; and also that his approval rating among Coalition voters dropped from 40.9 per cent to 28.5 per cent.

• A survey conducted last month by Essential Research shows “93 per cent had either not heard of the emissions trading scheme, had heard about it but didn’t know what it was or knew just a little about it”. However, Chris Johnson of The West Australian reports that “once the concept was explained, respondents overwhelmingly thought it was a good idea. Seventy-two per cent strongly supported the introduction of an ETS and 78 per cent thought transport and petrol should be included.” I see the principals behind Essential Media (the company behind Essential Research) include Ben Oquist, former adviser to Bob Brown and one-time Greens Senate candidate.

• Labor continues to dither over whether to contest the Mayo by-election. No doubt their decision will be soundly based on research, but if I were them I’d go for it: the electorate that almost put John Schumann in parliament seems an unlikely candidate for an emissions trading scheme backlash, and a relatively good result would help shake the Gippsland monkey off the government’s back.

• In the absence of Westpoll we will have to make do with more “unpublished Newspoll figures” provided by Joe Spagnolo of the Sunday Times, showing “41.9 per cent of 418 Liberals polled preferred Mr Carpenter as Premier, instead of their own man (33.5 per cent)”.

• Tasmanian Greens leader Peg Putt will resign from parliament and has handed the leadership baton to Franklin MP Nick McKim. A recount for Putt’s Denison seat will almost certainly deliver it to Cassy O’Connor, who once worked as an adviser to local federal Labor MP Duncan Kerr. This outcome was anticipated at the time of the March 2006 state election by Greg Barns.

Antony Green and Possum Comitatus have been blogging prolifically of late. Do go and look.

• In the interests of promoting Aussie talent, the Poll Bludger presents a 1993 Rock Classic from the Cruel Sea.

344 Comments

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  1. 251
    Progressive
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    #225: It’s a pity Mia Handshin wasn’t the candidate for Boothby on November 24, I dare say she would have performed better than Nicole Cornes.
    The Fairfax papers in Sydney are more concerned with bashing the Iemma Goverment currently, Rudd/Nelson aren’t really on the radar this week for them.

  2. 252
    ruawake
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Now why would “people skills” say on the record that there is a “split” over the ETS in the Fibs?

    What does he gain from doing it? Is he trying to put Nelson back in his box or is he about to mount a Conservative coup.

    Interesting times, if Abbott and probably Nick Minchin suceed, they will move the party to the level of a Bolta blog.

    If Turnbull prevails they will snipe at him from the sidelines.

    What fun – it is just too delicious for words. :-P

  3. 253
    red wombat
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Brenda wouldn’t know if a bus was up him until the people started getting off :-)

  4. 254
    onimod
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    The the hand up the backside of the glove puppet we know as “people skills” has done it again – he’s backing Cardinal Pell for all it’s worth:

    “Mr Abbott, one of Australia’s most prominant Catholics and a friend of the Cardinal, said his mate acted “honourably” amid claims that he misled victims of abuse at the hands of former priest Father Terrence Goodall. ”

    I guess it depends on what you understand by the word ‘honour’ eh?
    Being a conservative isn’t as easy as it used to be…
    Even the news.com.au readers are getting stuck in to him over this one.
    (by the way – the spelling mistake is theirs and not mine for once).

  5. 255
    sondeo
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    253:: lol !

  6. 256
    ruawake
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Todays unemployment figures revised the number for Feb. to 3.9% so a Labor Govt. has delivered the lowest unemployment rate since 1974. :)

  7. 257
    zedder
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Ruawake – I never thought the Libs were the primary cause of our good fortune and I don’t give credit to Labor either. I would like to say congrats to Glen Stevens and the RBA for striking the right balance with monetary policy.
    What we can take out of this is that the sky did not fall in when Labor assumed the reigns of government as some on the right believed. However the problems in the US and the overinflated house prices here and elsewhere are a real worry.

  8. 258
    MayoFeral
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    ruawake @ 256 – So why aren’t the mugs of half the government front bench all over the TV news crowing about it? Especially Gillard’s as both the acting PM and responsible minister!

  9. 259
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    …a Labor Govt. has delivered the lowest unemployment rate since 1974.

    NELSON: “Mr. Rudd can’t squirm out of this one. He’s been in government for seven long months now and, after the Budget, took ownership of the economy, lock, stock and barr….”

    LIBERAL MINDER: “Pssst!… Dr. Nelson!”

    NELSON: … lock, stock and barrel. These employment figures… by the way, what are the figures?

    LIBERAL MINDER: Doesn’t matter, mate. You’re doin’ a great job.

  10. 260
    zedder
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Mayne MayoFeral going on TV and telling everyone that they have never had it so good is not a good idea. Especially when the RBA is actively trying to slow the economy by raising interest rates.

  11. 261
    ruawake
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    BB

    Exactly – I did hang out a bit of bait. But if Labor has to take responsibility for the economy – surely the lowest unemployment rate for 34 years is theirs to claim?

    Brenda can’t have it both ways. :-P

  12. 262
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    RU, I just wish it was Labor pointing this out, not me on a blog.

  13. 263
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    My take for what its worth is that the Libs are actually using ETS to screw over Turnbull. Nelson’s dead in the water and the subject is who replaces him and when . Latest polls show that the majority of Libs want Costello. Given that he is staying, (which seems more likely as each day passes), then his sitting on the bank bench is clearly a waste of talent and something that will not last.

    Turnbull will not carry the day because he simply does not have the support of the heavy hitters like Minchin and Abbott. All his ascensicon will do will perpetuate the divisions that currently exist.

    Logic says Costello comes in, probably with Abbott as deputy. Timing, probably before the next sitting of Parliament.

  14. 264
    ruawake
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    “Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

    Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.”

    http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

    It was not coincidence the Rudd was given a copy of Sun Tzu’s the Art of War. It explains many of his actions. :)

  15. 265
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    My sister just rang me in a state of high dudgeon over Uhlmann’s piece to camera on ABC News tonight.

    The subject was the unemployment figures.

    Clearly expecting the numbers to have worsened, Uhlmann nevertheless had to change his script on the fly, but kept the punchline anyway:

    “No-one in the government will tell you this, but the Budget was supposed to increase unemployment.”

    So, the lowest unemployment in 34 years and Uhlmann has to find a negative way of putting it. My sister say he offered no evidence for his assertion that Labor wanted unemployment to rise. He just blurted it out…. in a story about how unemployment fell!.

    My sister was surprised he didn’t add,

    “Therefore the Rudd government has failed in its employment objectives and has demonstrated once again that it cannot manage the economy.”

    Thankfully, we were spared that.

    Uhlmann delenda est.

  16. 266
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    GG (263) I agree, I think a lot of the ETS positioning by Abbott is to put the squeeze on Turnbull. It shows how internally they are operating at the moment. Electoral impact is secondary.

    I wouldn’t worry about Uhlmann (265), since his blow-out on Sunday he is finished.

  17. 267
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    But its peace in our time in the New South Wales ALP.

  18. 268
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Yes but the NSW ALP will get resolved, the federal Liberal problem won’t.

  19. 269
    Optimist
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Q&A on ABC tonight is featuring Sen. Christine Milne and little andy bolt talkin climate change. Should be fun.

  20. 270
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    TPS by jettisoning the union movement in NSW? Can’t see it.

  21. 271
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    ESJ haven’t you notice that that has happened in every other state and federal Labor government?

  22. 272
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    TPS, excuse my ignorance but how do you define “jettisoning”?

  23. 273
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    ESJ I mean removing their influence from government (keeping their money of course). That’s what Iemma is trying to do with electricity privatisation. I don’t think he cares whether it is privatised or not. It is just a way of breaking with the unions in NSW, something the federal Labor leadership has been itching to do for ages.

  24. 274
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Let’s be careful what we wish for. I’m happy for Brenda to keep leading the Fibs all the way.

    We should save our energies for when Cossie takes over. Tip is going to be given the – MOTHER of all honeymoons by the MSM.

  25. 275
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Remove their influence from government? The unions have 50% of the votes in the State ALP conference, they can remove the State ALP Head Office leadership, 50% of their membership works in the public service.

    To me it seems like removing the liver from the body, ie you die.

  26. 276
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Well the old ALP does die as it has elsewhere. There are voting numbers and there is political influence. Even you would have to admit that the unions have minimal influence on the current federal Labor government.

  27. 277
    Dyno
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    TPS,
    So is Labor going to become the party of business?

  28. 278
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    TPS,

    One element I question in your analysis:

    If you assume union leaders are content to leave government to the grown ups ie the parliamentary party (which I grant in many cases is true), what happens when government (or the party) in its actions undercuts the financial base of unions (ie membership which increasingly lies in the public sector)?

    Presumably the compliant union leaders who have been removed from the political process will not meekly accept having their own sinecures removed from under them through wholescale decimation of their membership base (ie income stream)?

    In other words does a turkey vote for Christmas?

  29. 279
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    No, technocrats.

  30. 280
    Dyno
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Yes, but where’s the money going to come from?

  31. 281
    Dyno
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Also, if the Libs become (more) irrelevant, as some have postulated, how are the technocrats (or anyone else for that matter) going to stop business with its monay taking over the ALP?
    Or is the theory that business will keep supporting a losing Liberal Party indefinitely?
    Or is that the Libs will start coming back?

  32. 282
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    ESJ (278) that’s pretty well exactly what happened in the Keating years. As Gillard reassured at the Sydney Institute last year, union membership fell at a quicker rate during the Keating years than under Howard. The union leadership had no choice but to agree to what Keating did. You are talking about it as though it will happen but it already has (although NSW is just catching up).

    That’s why the union leaders are all drifting to join the parliamentary ALP. Howard called it a sign of rising union influence in the ALP, actually it was the reverse.

    The money thing might be a problem (281). But the unions will still be contributing I can’t see what choice they have. On particular business having influence I think Rudd will make it harder than say it was under Hawke.

  33. 283
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    (281) When business has no need for anti-union legislation, it has no need for the Liberal party.

  34. 284
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Fair point TPS,

    The logical end-point would be that the ALP will swallow electricity privatisation. It doesnt seem to be playing out that way? The scenario seems to be Iemma gets rolled and the new guy comes up with some form of compromise.

  35. 285
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    I see it more that Combet and the others were the last ones across the bridge into parliament and those who remain in the unions are angry that their time served wont end up in parliament so are angry and resentful of the Labor government.

  36. 286
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    I know this is not strictly the right thread for this but there is a big rumour going around political circles in Adelaide that Mike Rann will step down next year when the Budget is delivered and only work on Federal Labor. He is being heavily criticised in SA at the moment for having his eye off the ball due to being overstretched with his Federal commitments.

    All the other long-lasting Labor Premiers have left on their own terms. He’s the only one left.

  37. 287
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Diogenes returned from the wasteland I see?

  38. 288
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    ESJ

    Au contraire! I’ve just started reading a book on “The Waste Land”. I decided to return and set my lands in order.

    Shantih shantih shantih

  39. 289
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Ever go to Canberra Diogenes? I recommend the Paper Chain in Manuka, top notch for books.

  40. 290
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    I’m also reading “The Upside of Down” at the moment. It argues that large countries are becoming like the last days of the Roman Empire, which fell apart because it’s bureaucracy could not control it any more.

    The main failings of our countries, including Australia, can be put down to an increasingly unmanageable bureaucracy. The old-fashioned political models ran well for smaller populations with less complicated needs but is unable to react quickly enough to the more rapid and diverse “stresses” of the 21st Century, be they economic, environmental, climatic, energy-related or population-based.

  41. 291
    charles
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Strange that MSM is still throwing pop corn at Rudd and co when the entertainment in the Liberal ring is getting hot.

    Abbott and Minchin may have the numbers but they don’t represent electable positions. Turnbull and a few others actually have enough brains to work that out. Costello is yesterdays man and he knows it.

    If you find party politics fun, pull up a chair, break out the pop corn, it’s going to be fun.

  42. 292
    Rx
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    …a Labor Govt. has delivered the lowest unemployment rate since 1974.

    Which of course was when another Labor government was in power.

  43. 293
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Record low unemployment is never good – often a harbinger of recession.

  44. 294
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    293 Edward StJohn – Howard aimed for recession then. He wanted unemployment to have a 3 in front of it.

  45. 295
    Rx
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Tip is going to be given the – MOTHER of all honeymoons by the MSM

    Take this with as little or as much salt as you wish. Custardello is renowned for hesitancy, undecidedness …

    Those close to Peter Costello believe the former treasurer will step aside in October after the publication of his memoirs. It is strongly rumour in the Liberal Party that Mr Costello has secured a job in Washington.

    Sydney Morning Herald, 2 July 2008
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/liberals-brawl-for-safe-seat-as-downer-leaves/2008/07/01/1214678038251.html

  46. 296
    winston
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Oh yes Eddie, the more people out of work the better.

  47. 297
    Dyno
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    TPS @ 283,
    You’ve answered the second and third parts of my 281 – actually I already knew your views on business’s future relationship with the Liberal Party.
    What about the first part of my 281 – don’t you think business will take over the ALP, assuming the Libs (and the unions) become irrelevant? Or do you think business will just trust the technocrats to keep doing the right thing (whatever that may be)?

  48. 298
    Progressive
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Who watched Q&A tonight?
    Andrew Bolt made a complete dick of himself, Craig Emerson was eminently sensible, Christine Milne is one of the more impressive Greens, and Tony Jones still irritates me LOL

  49. 299
    Progressive
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    ESJ: One of your more stupid statements in recent times!

  50. 300
    Average Joe
    Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    on the WA election strong indications after the Grand Final. Gas crisis will go on too long to hold it before and holding it during could bite them.

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