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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/07/08/where-have-all-the-pollsters-gone/comment-page-7/#comment-171531</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ruawake</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruawake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In early July, ALP support is 48.5% (down 3.5%), L-NP support 35% (up 1%), support for the Greens 8% (unchanged), Family First 2.5% (up 1%) and Independent/Others 6% (up 1%). &quot;

Err Roy these numbers don&#039;t add up - but don&#039;t worry you have ind/others up 1.5% in the primary table. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In early July, ALP support is 48.5% (down 3.5%), L-NP support 35% (up 1%), support for the Greens 8% (unchanged), Family First 2.5% (up 1%) and Independent/Others 6% (up 1%). &#8221;</p>
<p>Err Roy these numbers don&#8217;t add up &#8211; but don&#8217;t worry you have ind/others up 1.5% in the primary table. <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...you can’t prove to an idiot that they are in fact an idiot. (In some ways it defines the term)&lt;/i&gt;

He he.

How true.

It&#039;s similar to the problem of how do you have a rational argument with somebody who is irrational, or an honest debate with somebody who is dishonest?

&lt;i&gt;But you can put them in jail for [alleged, alleged] complicity in 300 million dollars’ worth of corrupt circumvention of UN sanctions...&lt;/i&gt;

And India just might provide such an opportunity. (See # 321.) If I was Downer, I would be checking out the real estate in Argentina, seeing if there was a bit of land available next to the Bushes&#039; escape hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;you can’t prove to an idiot that they are in fact an idiot. (In some ways it defines the term)</i></p>
<p>He he.</p>
<p>How true.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to the problem of how do you have a rational argument with somebody who is irrational, or an honest debate with somebody who is dishonest?</p>
<p><i>But you can put them in jail for [alleged, alleged] complicity in 300 million dollars’ worth of corrupt circumvention of UN sanctions&#8230;</i></p>
<p>And India just might provide such an opportunity. (See # 321.) If I was Downer, I would be checking out the real estate in Argentina, seeing if there was a bit of land available next to the Bushes&#8217; escape hole.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey if I was a numbers cruncher in the ALP I&#039;d be running around in circles screaming &quot;We&#039;re doomed, doomed I tell you!&quot;.

That Morgan result is ONLY a 6%+ swing since the election and would ONLY give the ALP and EXTRA 20 odd seats if an election was based on this poll.

&quot;Doomed!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey if I was a numbers cruncher in the ALP I&#8217;d be running around in circles screaming &#8220;We&#8217;re doomed, doomed I tell you!&#8221;.</p>
<p>That Morgan result is ONLY a 6%+ swing since the election and would ONLY give the ALP and EXTRA 20 odd seats if an election was based on this poll.</p>
<p>&#8220;Doomed!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Inner Westie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/07/08/where-have-all-the-pollsters-gone/comment-page-7/#comment-171527</link>
		<dc:creator>Inner Westie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>onimod @ 337

&quot;you can’t prove to an idiot that they are in fact an idiot&quot;

lol.

But you can put them in jail for complicity in 300 million dollars&#039; worth of corrupt circumvention of UN sanctions - &quot;alleged complicity&quot;, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>onimod @ 337</p>
<p>&#8220;you can’t prove to an idiot that they are in fact an idiot&#8221;</p>
<p>lol.</p>
<p>But you can put them in jail for complicity in 300 million dollars&#8217; worth of corrupt circumvention of UN sanctions &#8211; &#8220;alleged complicity&#8221;, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ad astra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ad astra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy Morgan Face-to-face conducted over the weekends of June 28/29 &amp; July 5/6 now available at http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2008/4307/  TPP 59/41</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Morgan Face-to-face conducted over the weekends of June 28/29 &amp; July 5/6 now available at <a href="http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2008/4307/" rel="nofollow">http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2008/4307/</a>  TPP 59/41</p>
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		<title>By: onimod</title>
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		<dc:creator>onimod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>336 Just Me
Mate don&#039;t hold back - this is ozblogistan.
The man is an outright idiot, and has for the last decade, been a bloody dangerous one.
If he wants personal abuse, I&#039;d be prepared to give it to him, but I&#039;ve got a little paradox for you - you can&#039;t prove to an idiot that they are in fact an idiot.  (In some ways it defines the term)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>336 Just Me<br />
Mate don&#8217;t hold back &#8211; this is ozblogistan.<br />
The man is an outright idiot, and has for the last decade, been a bloody dangerous one.<br />
If he wants personal abuse, I&#8217;d be prepared to give it to him, but I&#8217;ve got a little paradox for you &#8211; you can&#8217;t prove to an idiot that they are in fact an idiot.  (In some ways it defines the term)</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/07/08/where-have-all-the-pollsters-gone/comment-page-7/#comment-171524</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if Downer has read the papers in the last 6 months. This comment by him is just so ridiculous.&lt;/i&gt;

Downer&#039;s lack of critical self-awareness and sneering hypocrisy is truly breathtaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wonder if Downer has read the papers in the last 6 months. This comment by him is just so ridiculous.</i></p>
<p>Downer&#8217;s lack of critical self-awareness and sneering hypocrisy is truly breathtaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Downer has read the papers in the last 6 months. This comment by him is just so ridiculous. 
&quot;The tragedy of much public commentary in Australia is that it is blatantly anti-conservative, fascinated with trivia and, when it comes to conservatives, rich with personal abuse.&quot; 
www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/downer-v-hartcher/2008/07/10/1215658033662.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Downer has read the papers in the last 6 months. This comment by him is just so ridiculous.<br />
&#8220;The tragedy of much public commentary in Australia is that it is blatantly anti-conservative, fascinated with trivia and, when it comes to conservatives, rich with personal abuse.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/downer-v-hartcher/2008/07/10/1215658033662.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/downer-v-hartcher/2008/07/10/1215658033662.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Finnigans</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/07/08/where-have-all-the-pollsters-gone/comment-page-7/#comment-171522</link>
		<dc:creator>The Finnigans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like it is an open warfare now between the Nowhere Man and the Everywhere Man over the ETS model and the start date.

If the Libs become obstructive over the Government&#039;s CC plan in the Senate, Rudd should do a DD over this. It is too important to diddle and doddle over this and it will also define the Rudd Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like it is an open warfare now between the Nowhere Man and the Everywhere Man over the ETS model and the start date.</p>
<p>If the Libs become obstructive over the Government&#8217;s CC plan in the Senate, Rudd should do a DD over this. It is too important to diddle and doddle over this and it will also define the Rudd Government.</p>
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