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Morgan: 60-40

The increasingly unpredictable Roy Morgan has released a face-to-face survey of 797 voters conducted just over a week ago, showing Labor’s two-party lead up to 60-40 from 59-41 at the larger poll conducted over the two previous weekends. Both Labor (48 per cent) and the Coalition (34.5 per cent) are down 0.5 per cent on the primary vote, with the Greens spiking from 8 per cent to 11.5 per cent, mostly at the expense of “independent/others” (down from 6 per cent to 3.5 per cent).

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  1. 51
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Or, seeing as how Fischer was leader of the Country party, he was sent over as an exercise of Palpable Bull.

    Well, you’d get it if Ron said it.)

  2. 52
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    When he offers free Guiness instead of salvation, GG…

  3. 53
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    GG

    Even I was impressed with a 400,000 crowd at Randwick without Octagonal running.

    Probably The Beatles at their peak could have got that with a single Oz show. Maybe Michael Jackson or Princess Diana. It’s quite mind-boggling really.

  4. 54
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    charles 47 Says:
    July 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm
    “I wonder what the average National party member thinks about the right wing nutters in the Liberal party”

    What do you think ? The old ‘country party’ members were conservative but there prioritys were farm issues , and the right wing Lib’s prioritys aren’t farm issues

    Fulvio , we Irish have our logics , which you decoded the Country Party affiliation accurately

  5. 55
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Diogenes,

    The Beatles bigger than God?

    I don’t think so.

    Princess Diana,

    Only a funeral.

    Michel Jackson,

    A kindergarten convention?

  6. 56
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Charles @ 47 went:

    “I wonder what the average National party member thinks about the right wing nutters in the Liberal party.”

    Most of the Nats I know probably reckon they’re Communists :mrgreen:

  7. 57
    Spam Inbox
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Most of the Nats I know probably reckon they’re Communists

    hahahahahahaha

  8. 58
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    GG

    Q- How do they know when it’s bed-time in the Michael Jackson household?

    A- When the big hand touches the little hand.

  9. 59
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Diogenes,

    A SHORT HISTORY OF MEDICINE: “Doctor, I have an ear ache.”
    2000 B.C. – “Here, eat this root.”
    1000 B.C. – “That root is heathen, say this prayer.”
    1850 A.D. – “That prayer is superstition, drink this potion.”
    1940 A.D. – “That potion is snake oil, swallow this pill.”
    1985 A.D. – “That pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic.”
    2000 A.D. – “That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this root!”

  10. 60
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    WYD was a big success in Sydney. Truly many happy and excited yoot from all over the world.

  11. 61
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    The Fischer appointment is brilliant politics for the PM and entirely appropriate to seperate the posts. Of course when Morris Iemma pops up as Ambassador to Canada people may wince.

  12. 62
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    I thought I just had to make the next post just because…

  13. 63
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    ESJ, are U sure it was “happy and excited root” from all over the world?

  14. 64
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Oh Oh I just cant help myself now this repetition is good for the soul….

  15. 65
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    You’ve spoiled my sequence Finns, I only had to do another 18 repeat posts for the record.

    Well the vibe was generally positive in Sydney. Some whinged but even the cynics I sometimes associate with thought of it as a positive event.

  16. 66
    zoom
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Interesting question – which is crueller: sending the Cypriots Alexander or the Canadians Iemma?

  17. 67
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Finns 44,

    Yes I think Catrina wanted me for balance on her rebel site. I had to decline moving into the compound with Charlie and the gang would have been just tooo weird.

  18. 68
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    Exactly, but you won’t read or hear about such a positive view of proceedings.

  19. 69
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Oh GG,

    thats just the nasty secular bias of the MSM.

  20. 70
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    ZOOM
    you are rating Yemma as low as Dolly , thats a big call

    Spam Box
    #57
    “Most of the Nats I know probably reckon they’re Communists”

    The old Country Pary Leader of McEwen & earlier were ’socialists’ with there govt controlled Boards pricing of Wheat , wool ets Then the Libs taught them ‘right wing economic rationalism’ ….that killed off the farmers & the Country Party identity

    GG
    you didn’t add 2008 AD , obamarotic

  21. 71
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    You are seriously saying the residents of Gilligans island approached you as some sort of editorial input guru. Was this before or after the committee of exclusion edict?

    I really don’t understand why William continues the joke of having a link on this site. Without it, they would die in their swill.

  22. 72
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    #748 Jen Says: July 20th, 2008 at 11:38 am - Finns- you’re more than welcome to post the US results on the US thread you know.:)

    i hate bowling to the second XI. it’s not fair on the punters. they paid to come and see a real contest. so i have to decline on the green lady.

  23. 73
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone here believe that Labor has a 60% 2PP that will hold
    .
    .
    .
    Amigo FINNS , i was offered the position of both moderator and lingo standards

  24. 74
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Ron,

    What about punctuation?

    Certainly panache, style and reasonable enjoyment.

  25. 75
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    understand showy is incharge of panache , although the panch objected

  26. 76
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    LOL,

    I can post the evidence if anybody cares?

  27. 77
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    At some point the oxygen ventilator will be switched off I guess.

  28. 78
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    obvously as you are clearly the most affiable , you were seen as the weak link

  29. 79
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    You are probably already dining out on it, so waht the heck.

    Please exclude names to protect the guilty.

  30. 80
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Ron,

    ESJ as the linkiest weak

    ROFL.

  31. 81
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    GG
    “Here’s a pretty erudite analysis of the politics of ETS from a regular participant.
    http://thepipingshrike.blogspot.com/

    Went through that , a classic divide the Libs and conqer strategy by Rudd on ETS & CC , doesn’t leave the Greens much does it seeing Ruddy presently ” owns” CC ?

  32. 82
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    #73, Amigo Ronnie, you will be their the prof. Higgins on Gilligan’s Island or the Gulag where the reign of the bland fall mainly on the wasteland. yes, july is the cruelest month.

  33. 83
    gusface
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    so boyos
    for 13 odd (and i stress ODD) posts you have been having a nice tug

    enough already

  34. 84
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    I’ve just posted my Western Australian election guide, but I’m going to give it another proof read before I put it up in lights. I would appreciate it if anyone could point out any glaring errors.

  35. 85
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    I’ll post it tomorrow night.

    Anyone,

    So who is going to be the first to condemn the “Think Climate, Think Change” Government funded advertising campaign?

  36. 86
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    William

    re Geraldton , asterish , * Seat’s party affiliation has changed following redistribution” perhaps i’m in error in querying this definition , but thought Labor held this & only debate is re redistrib maybe helping the Libs or not

  37. 87
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    The Government has a duty to inform the public of their decisions.

    Do you have a problem with this?

  38. 88
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Gusface

    what would like to discuss

  39. 89
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    LOL, GG.

    An argument the Libs would have made last year too!

  40. 90
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    ESJ, “Think Climate, Think Change” – Yes, the Change you can believe in.

  41. 91
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    #90, yes, while on the road to Damascus to annihilate the Obamabots, i had my conversion.

  42. 92
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    LOl Finns, I am seeing things much more clearly now.

  43. 93
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    Good to see, you have discovered ironing.

    Finns,

    Lose the bitterness, move on. it’s only a blog site.

  44. 94
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Yes change the tone Finns.

  45. 95
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Ron, it’s a Labor held seat that has a notional Liberal majority after the redistribution. Obviously it still has the same (Labor) member.

  46. 96
    Ron
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    yep , see what you’ve done now that i look at the Labor side re your treatment of Darling Range & Bunbury that are currently Libs , but notionally Labour Your way is much beter William , as one can see th ‘as now’ status of seats clearly , rather than who technically holds them Alot of close seats with little margin to change there is !

  47. 97
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    This is funny, because it is.

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/jacktheinsider/index.php/theaustralian/comments/costello/

  48. 98
    Ron
    Posted Tuesday, July 22, 2008 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Herald/Nielsen poll lheadlined Labor’s 54 to 46 lead , and Rudd 65% PPM

    What has not been highlighted in this poll of 1400 people were the CC results , taken since the release of the Green Paper

    77% per cent believe Australia should press ahead and cut its greenhouse gas emissions, IRRESPECTIVE of what other countries do

    68 per cent said they were prepared to pay more for goods & services as a result of emmissions cuts , while 24 per cent were opposed

    60% slightly understood or had no understanding at all of the emissions trading scheme (However, two-thirds still supported introducing a scheme !)

    BUT 54% per cent are satisfied with the way Mr Rudd is handling the matter while 38 per cent are unhappy This latter figure of only 54% satisfation is ‘erodeable’ , and indicates for mine voters do want to see a tangible energy replacement plan Voters understand emmissions have to be cut , therefore emmission generating enrgy usage has to be cut , BUT voters still want the lost energy to be able to use ! they still want to use the products , so where is this lost enegy replacement is what they’ll soon ask ! perhaps implicit in the low 54% figure vs 77% overall CC support

  49. 99
    Dyno
    Posted Tuesday, July 22, 2008 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Ron,
    I’d also say there’s a kind of Bradley effect in the 77%. Plenty of people are going to feel they ought to say to the pollster (a stranger) that they support us “doing something” about CC – it’s immoral not to support it, isn’t it?
    But whether the suburbanites will willingly support this with their hip pockets (and their votes), well that’s a different question. They’ll need to be convinced. Over to you, Kevin.

  50. 100
    Ron
    Posted Tuesday, July 22, 2008 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Dyno ,
    take your point , that may mean the 68% supporting paying more for goods & services could also be ’soft’ ?
    .
    (which is why i’m alittle woried the 54% pro Rudd CC handling is so low)

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