The Australian reports Newspoll has Labor’s lead back up to 57-43 after two fortnights at 55-45. No figures yet provided to back up its headline “Costello wanted as leader”. Hat tip yet again to James J.
UPDATE: Graphic here. It shows Peter Costello’s rating as preferred Liberal leader up to 41 per cent from 23 per cent in April (wrongly labelled in the graphic as April 2007), Brendan Nelson up from 15 per cent to 18 per cent and Malcolm Turnbull down from 25 per cent to 24 per cent – bearing in mind that 19 per cent has been freed up because Julie Bishop and Tony Abbott were not included in the question this time.
UPDATE 2 (31/7/08): Further attitudinal polling, including the finding that the Prime Minister is 3 per cent less experienced than he was six months ago.
UPDATE 3: Suggested Newspoll question format for next time: Is Rudd experienced? Has he ever been experienced?
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Gusface
#1146 & #1147
Thanks for those informotive posts , hav read dems a few times now and partly understand what you ar saying , but not fully It does give me a good start to try & research to better understood it Also other guys posts
One quote of yours Gusface did cause some sinful thoughts :
“so basically anyone can be tagged as to when where and what they were doing on the net” Such possibilities
William
SNIP: Since this is addressed to me, it doesn’t need to remain now that I’ve read it – WB
Now I am in China. Can update randomly. Anway, back to the normal system.
Thomas Paine
#1155
“Now I am in China”
BUT FINNS #1145 “The barbarians are still at the gate and best kept out. ”
So here i am barred at th Gates , and Thomas and you got in
And just love those “singulars” and “plurals” , and posters actualy sweriously spending 17 lines over an “s” of all things , hell my Lingos rely on that wonderful letter , our Cossies and Turnbulls do us pluraritys of CC spins , to give us such CC clarities to laugh at
Amigo Ronnie, why the OZ barbarian Olympians arriving in beijing wearing those ridiculous prisoner stripe uniform. it looks like they have just been released from Long Bay jail.
And talking of or Cossies , noticed that both ‘7′ and ‘9′ News gave strong pro Cossie Reports of Party room support to be Leader , so seems a ‘push’ is on
whilst most here (rightly) dismiss Captain Smirk’s ticker & econamic record , i do recall right up to election day , Fibs did hav a polling advantage over Labor in ‘econamic management
So out of Horatio Nelson , toffy Turnbull & Captain smirk , who will Public regard (as opposed to us PB’s) with more financial crediblity out of these , should as likely a downturn occurs (because thats where a base Libs primary votes can be built)
1157
The Finnigans Says:
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
“Amigo Ronnie, why the OZ barbarian Olympians arriving in beijing wearing those ridiculous prisoner stripe uniform. it looks like they have just been released from Long Bay jail.”
Guess it reminds th World we ar a Nation of ex convicts afterall Shake my head in disbelief everytime I see Amigo , that an ‘expert’ chose that design
The electorate had the opportunity to vote for Costello at the last election and didn’t. I’m looking up the figures, but I am sure with Costello in the leadership of the coalition they would have gone even worse according to polling at the time.
That was the reason Howard decided to stay even after the debacle of Newspoll at Apec The polling was showing a bigger defeat with Costello.
William; what happened to 1106 & why? Keeltied?
William,
Now the residents of Gilligans Island are turning the attack on you.
1160
sondeo
“The polling was showing a bigger defeat with Costello.”
yes you ar correct Sondeo A problem maybe with 2 way polling of same 2 Party Leaders is incumbant gets a polling advantage , and also Deputy gets a double whammy of being Treasurer Think Keating may hav had same problem , but Cossie last poll had huge lead over Nelson & Turnbull , is he a bigger danger in voters minds re financial credibility I wonder ?
Exactly. They’re dreaming.
From Possum:
http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/oh-please-spare-us-the-costello-horsefluff/
I hope he does become leader because he will have to repudiate Howard in a big way, and when he does that he will have to repudiate those that kept Howard as leader, the very same folks that will vote for him as leader.
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Dario 1164,
Are you saying the electorate was dreaming when they didnt vote for Costello? Thats a surprising view for you.
Sondeo
The quantitative data mentioned by you in #1165 of Enemy Marsupial is consistent with my #1163 and am not disagreeing with that Although what i added is there were indeed inbuilt negotives in any polling then against Cossie vs Howard , same as there was with Polling of Hawke vs Keating before Keating challenged
All I’m simply asking is now , ie. 9 months after Sir Kevins win , based on voters minds now , who of th three represent a MORE difficult oppenent for Kevin07 to defeat in th future
Grow up ESJ. Unless you’ve got class tomorrow…
Codger, apart from the bit I quoted in #1110, I don’t actually remember what Gaffhook said in the comment I deleted, and I didn’t really understand it at the time. The point was that it was part of an argument spilling over from the other place to this place. I believe they have the same policy over there with regard to arguments on this site, and so they should.
Michelle seems to think Cossie won’t run for the leadership.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/costello-resists-partys-callup-20080803-3pc8.html
love this quote
Trade Minister Simon Crean told Channel Ten :This is a guy that whenever he’s been wooed, he’s never consented. And whenever he’s chased, he’s never succeeded.”
Which is why i’ve believed Cossie would want th third option that Simon Crean did not mention: “to be drafted” And it has not happened after 9 months
‘I don’t actually remember what Gaffhook said in the comment I deleted, and I didn’t really understand it at the time.’
That’s kinda like sorta my point William; but oh well… & let the horse run free too…
I’d ask for clarification as to what you’re talking about, Codger, but I know better by now.
William, on “Insiders” Bolt mentioned that polls show Labor doing well in the NT. Do you know what poll or polls he is referring to?
Why would Costello want the job when he has little chance of winning and when he didn’t go for it when he could have been PM?
More than a decade as a top dog, will he waste three years just to lose an election? And suffer all the criticism when he does lose on top of what is earning now?
Will he want to work with the current bunch of no hopers half of whom hate the other half?
Is he willing to do the extra hard work it takes in Opposition without a bunch of departments on beck and call to give the information?
One thing about Rudd and his front bench, they all worked their guts out in opposition.
No its not codgY What happens is irrelevant ones can be deleted into invisibility , its quite straightforward Stop wasting th Moderaters time and instead do it on Island
No clarification needed I would have thought William, just find your delete, repost, re read & consider; what you know ‘better’ I & your readers are only too anxious to hear.
CodgY “your readers are only too anxious to hear.”
no they are not , only you , Stop wasting th Moderaters time and instead do it on Island
Yes, piss off please, Codger.
piss off, should that be moderated? Just asking.
Thomas Paine
#1175
If you’re right , then why has he remained in parliament for 9 months ?
This was my debate with Dyno earlier today , ie either he was vasilating re leadership OR awaitng to be “drafted’ OR awaiting a significant business ofer that acceptable to him thats never come
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(rather than quitting after 3 months in Feb)
Writing his story which wanted to publish whilst still in parliament?
Can’t make up his mind?
Cant find anything else to do?
Piss Howard off by being a party spoiler?
I’ve hardly heard Costello speak on subjects other than finance. Has Costello ever been on Red Kerry and such getting a heavy grilling? He has coasted for decade in his hammock whilst the economy looked after itself and never had to face a tough examination like Howard or Nelson has. I wonder if he looks forward to that?
Maybe his colleagues are stirring up his patriotic spirit singing the LNP team song or he is just feeling too guilty to tell them yet.
“Writing his story which wanted to publish whilst still in parliament?”
Wonder whether PB’s work out some unoficial odds of 1/ will he tell all (but slanted his way for his legacy) 2/ will he wimp it re bucketing Howard (but slanted his way for his legacy) 3/ a non event , llike he may become
Perspective William, remember this monkey momment?
‘Are you referring to the one from last night in which you told another commenter to fcuk off?’
& Got deleted…tsk a tsk… oh & guess who?
Magic.
Codger, I don’t know what you’re talking about, you’ve wilfully refused to do as I asked, you aren’t funny, and that’s the end of you around here I’m afraid.
No Gary, I don’t know what Andrew Bolt meant by that. I suspect he’s mis-remembering something he half heard – I don’t imagine NT politics looms terribly large in his consciousness. Certainly the bookies aren’t too excited by the CLP’s prospects. On which subject, here’s a new Northern Territory post.
He would make a whole lot more money from the book if it didn’t hold back and revealed some real truths. Or is his pay cheque fixed?
William! You mentioned his name!!!
I suspect he’s mis-remembering something he half heard – I don’t imagine NT politics looms terribly large in his consciousness.
I think Bolt briefly worked for Territory Labor about a billion years ago.
Shanahan:
ONE by-election.
An interest rate decline will “confuse and anger voters”, and if it does this will be Rudd’s fault?
Dennis is off into Fantasyland again. He’s praying for the economy to tank, then to blame that on Labor, all so that Costello can win a few brownie points in the polls. How low can Shanahan sink?
If Costello fears contesting the leadership of his party you can bet he dreads the idea of contesting for the leadership of the country.
It seems that Costello thinks that he is The man
PETER Costello has flown back into the country, convinced the Liberal Party has finally decided he is the only leader who can take it to the next election with any chance of defeating Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
Here is the link.
<a “href=http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24118765-5007133,00.html” The man
<a href=”http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24118765-5007133,00.html” the man
the man
Damn the html code, continued to miss a ‘>’ in the link.
Just Me @ 1189 -
I think Bolt briefly worked for Territory Labor about a billion years ago.
That’d be about right. About a billion years ago the most powerful ‘brain’ was made up of only a couple of neurons! I suspect a few of his have dimmed since!
The brilliant Bill Leak has a great cartoon of Costello.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/opinion/cartoons/
The Guru ! Hilarious.
BB #1190
The confusion and anger will happen when the Reserve Bank lowers the interest rate, but banks don’t follow.
The Opposition will then roll out their “the banks are pissing all over Rudd & Swan” – line again.
Muskiemp I thought that story sounded like a lot of wishful thinking from the News Ltd press and no actual ‘news’. Notice they don’t have any actual quote from Mr Costello and all the actual comments they have which they purport to be support for a Costello leadership challenge are in fact nothing that hasn’t been said before (that is, senior Liberals wouldn’t mind having him on the front bench).
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