The Australian reports Newspoll has Labor’s lead back up to 57-43 after two fortnights at 55-45. No figures yet provided to back up its headline “Costello wanted as leader”. Hat tip yet again to James J.
UPDATE: Graphic here. It shows Peter Costello’s rating as preferred Liberal leader up to 41 per cent from 23 per cent in April (wrongly labelled in the graphic as April 2007), Brendan Nelson up from 15 per cent to 18 per cent and Malcolm Turnbull down from 25 per cent to 24 per cent – bearing in mind that 19 per cent has been freed up because Julie Bishop and Tony Abbott were not included in the question this time.
UPDATE 2 (31/7/08): Further attitudinal polling, including the finding that the Prime Minister is 3 per cent less experienced than he was six months ago.
UPDATE 3: Suggested Newspoll question format for next time: Is Rudd experienced? Has he ever been experienced?
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Lawrence Springborg makes Morris Iemma look charismatic in comparison!
From PM transcript:
“Now, then Mr Rudd says that he wants to have bipartisanship on this. If Mr Rudd is serious about it, the first thing that he will do is sit down and have a discussion with me and my senior shadow ministers, make available all of his senior officials, including his Treasury officials and accept the fact that his political agenda of 2010 is not responsibly in Australia’s interest.”
So Mr Rudd has to bend over backwards but Horatio can say ‘2020 not achievable’ and that’s it!
errr 2010 not 2020
Amigo FINNS
“Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees
And begged you not to leave”
you were thinking of cat
Lateline just did a story on the growth of bloggers running anti CC blogs , naturaly Bolt got a mention in it
Without going into th actual detail , as its not relevant to this thread but th principal is , I found th internet was ‘abused’ /manipulated by US based computer savvy suporters of one US Pres candidate , in getting positive storys out there on th net and negative re the opponent Candidate out there using many tricks
One hopes th anti Climate deniers do not do this , and make th net less than a useful souse of knowledge and info , but from Lateline the anti CC blogs hav grown significantly in th US and here in ‘oz’
Ron, we might see some policy from the Pineapple Party in a year’s time or maybe it will take two years.
J 6 of their constitution says:
Annual State Convention shall:
Determine the general policy of the party, and details thereof;
Steve “Determine the general policy of the party, and details thereof;”
Can imagine potential fundamentel policy differences between state Q’ld LCP vs other States Lib policys vs othr States Nats policys , then flowing Federally as well potentially with 3 different Federal “Party” stances ?
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eg AWB one desk type difference
257 Ron, Andrew Fraser gives a pretty good account of their main problems just in this state. It would be a nightmare for them come election time nationally and conserve independents would spring up all over the place at their expense.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24093561-5006786,00.html
Dear oh dear!
I am entirely in agreement with Bushfire Bill (that would be earlier threads), about the timidity of the Rudd Government. I am unhappy. I expected a great deal more.
Has not happened.
I am in South Aus, no water, no hope. I am dismayed.
Also, no water, no hope, Rann Government.
Then, in an effort to underline the timidity, Kev retains Christmas Island, sentencing the poor devils to an uncertain future.
Not happy, Kev.
thats an excellent analysis by Andrew Fraser , and your point of “conserve independents would spring up all over the place at their expense” is a natural politcal outcome
I’m staggered the Federal Libs could not see the Federal mess this could lead to
both in party meetings , Fed parliament & future Fed electons But this is all positive for Sir Kev as Labor can stay where they are policy/politically
Bloody hell, some people are just never happy. He reversed the policy from one of mandatory detention to one of detention only for those proven to be high risk ffs. Given the amount of money the Howard govt wasted on upgrading Christmas Island, it may as well be used for those who need to be detained for whatever reason.
Also Dario
part of your valid point includes th onus of proof beeing legally reversed Th act of illegal entry I think is not now deemed to be a cause for holding alone , th Dept has to demonstate that risk you mentioned
Crikey Whitey
what do you wish Kev to do on CC ?
ron
Kev is tracking well on CC. Wish he and Penny would work much, much faster on water for the Coorong, in South Aus.
Nelson and crew are simply lost in the fast diminishing woods.
Crikey Whitey
am not familar with the detail of th water problem for the Coorong , other than what one sees in News Perhaps do up a fully costed submission & try and see her or Tanya there , or send it to them to there personal attention There offices will be forsed to at least acknowledge
Th biggest problem i see for ‘oz’ overall re water is Sir Kev cann’t make rain of course and there’s not enough falling Pity some of th economics of deal powered Delalinisation
‘desal’ not ‘deal’
with solar of course !
ron, it is actually not illegal under Australian law (and has never been) to enter Australia by any means, as long as you are seeking asylum and present yourself to the authorities as soon as possible. Whether or not your subsequent request for asylum is granted is another matter altogether. Howard managed to blur this distinction very well in 2001.
thanks Dario
Saw Chris Evans on 7.30 Report talking to Kerry O’Brien about reversing th onus and making th Dept justify th risk and I see he was refferring to ‘detention’ as opposed to asylum
Today at th ANU Chris Evans announced
“Currently persons who are unlawful may be detained even though the departmental assessment is that they pose no risk to the community. That detention may be prolonged. Currently, detention is too often the first option, not the last.
Under Labor’s reforms, persons will be detained only if the need is established. The presumption will be that persons will remain in the community while their immigration status is resolved. If a person is complying with immigration processes and is not a risk to the community then detention in a detention centre cannot be justified. The department WILL HAVE TO JUSTIFY a decision to detain – not presume detention.
Labor believes that the retention of mandatory detention on arrival of unauthorised arrivals for the purpose of health, identity and security checks is a sound and responsible public policy. Once checks have been successfully completed, continued detention while immigration status is resolved is unwarranted.
The key determinant of the need TO DETAIN A PERSON a person in an immigration detention centre will be risk to the community – a modern risk management approach.”
So thats one howard policy reversed
“it is actually not illegal under Australian law (and has never been) to enter Australia by any means, ”
But it is “Un-Australian”, especially if you throw your kids over the side whilst illegally entering Australia, do we really want people here who do that, seems like something a terrorist would do.
But those days are hopefully gone, the awful dog whistling has finally been silenced except perhaps for a few pitiful remnants vainly trying to emulate their master long silenced.
Mal Brough gives the Pineapple Party one last spray. Now that the LNP has its foot in Canberra the Federal Executive of the Liberal Party can expect to be making this sort of an exit sooner rather than later. As Brough says getting tangled up with the Pineapple Party is much worse than the election loss.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24099447-5006786,00.html
Steve
You do have to feel a little bit sorry for him, kicked out of govt, kicked out of parliament, his advice on aborigines rejected, Kev doesn’t want him,his advice on the merger rejected, rejected for the presidency.
The poor kid, many are saying what a great bloke he is and how much he has to offer but no-one wants to listen to him.
Codger@236,
Keelty seemed such a decent bloke. How much simpler it would have been to admit mistakes, but suspect he is covering too many other backs.
See similarities with Colin Powell, in that they accept sh*t-kicking as part of their office even though they would not in private life.
Obedience to their masters,whoever they are.
But truth is seeping out. And may decency prevail.
Mal Brough: “This experience has been much worse for me than losing the election.”
It’s called karma, Mal. Isn’t it wonderful?!! ;-D~~
Funny. Brough is revealed to be just another self-seeking, look after number one, politician and manipulator. The white knight hype that had built up around him was there for the keeping – but he’s now shown exactly what he’s made of.
Enough is never enough for some.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing this morning on ABC Radio National. That annoying yapping FW Chris Pyne was saying that he never saw or heard Nelson was shifting Liberals’ policy away from the one it took to the 2007 election, the 2012 policy. Is this man living in a parallel universe from us punters?
Maybe this article from Shanananana should enlighten him:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24099494-11949,00.html
A good quote from Paul Kelly also from Rupert. And Rupert is absolutely right, on yer Rupert: [Many business leaders endorsed the view of Rupert Murdoch that "the planet deserves the benefit of the doubt"] – game, set and match.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24098310-12250,00.html
Oh dear. Another who bought the Howard fear campaign hook, line and sinker. How did the 911 terrorists get into the US Rod? On a leaky boat? You must be kidding. Give yourself a triple.
It has been well established and was the subject of inquiry how the lies about ‘children overboard’ came about and was perpetuated even though early on known to be untrue. We know now the complicity of certain government ministers in this and it bought us the lovely name Rodent then Lying Rodent.
There was nobody throwing kids over-board. The only people you would find in the water would be the result of a sunken boat – and there is supscion that the then Howard govt at one time may have instructed not to rescue such persons in relation to the SIEV-X, it was/is allegation/suspicion because the govt of the time was so depraved that it was thought possible they could do such a thing.
It is not un-Australian to flee persecution. I wonder how we would see things if Australia was the despotic or destitute country.
Poor Mal. Born to rule … until mugged by reality.
Amigo FINNS
“That annoying yapping FW Chris Pyne was saying (on ABC today) that he never saw or heard Nelson was shifting Liberals’ policy away from the one it took to the 2007 election, the 2012 policy”
Glad someone else finds Pyne annoying Am never sure whats more annoying about Chris Pyne , th plume , th tone or the stupidity of th actual words sprouting out The effort you relay today is not only CC denial , its denail of whatever happened in 2007 under Howard
The Howard government never produced any evidence to support their claim that parents threw their children overboard.
The evidence that Howard pointed to in the week before the 2001 election was a report of government ministers making the claim that parents had thrown their children overboard.
Yes, in the Howard government their own baseless claims counted as evidence.
The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking:
MPs need more work to do: Opposition
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/30/2318718.htm?section=justin
“The Federal Opposition says Parliament is not being given enough work to do.
Parliament is in the midst of a winter break and also had a lengthy non-sitting period in April and May.
Shadow attorney-general George Brandis says Parliament should be sitting for more weeks this year.
“You’d think when the people change government, the new party that comes into government, after all those years in Opposition, would have a very full agenda,” he said.
“In fact this year the Commonwealth Parliament, the House of Representatives, will sit for only 18 weeks, which is the fewest number of sitting weeks of a Commonwealth Parliament that anyone around here can remember.”
This is coming from the party that caused such disruption to parliament over Friday sitting days that the government abandoned the extra day.
I am so pleased that their time in opposition is becoming a living death for them.
MPs need more work to do: Opposition
Maybe they could keep themselves busy by actually looking after the people in their electorate. Maybe Brandis is bored shitless because he’s a senator. That’s understandable as I am at a loss to understand what opposition senators actually do when parliament isn’t sitting.
Attend Senate committee meetings.
It’s true though. The lack of sittings is both bizarre and disappointing. You’d think a new Government would have more of a legislative agenda.
That’s not to say they have no work. The Coalition has given themselves lots of works in setting up all these Senate inquiries and Select Committees. They just aren’t bothered enough to actually show up to the inquiries or feign much interest in them.
It’s a standard issue for any opposition to say that any government isn’t letting parliament sit often enough. Of course opposition’s want parliament to sit more because they get free TV coverage for all their criticisms of the government. And they get roughly 50% of the speaking time, which is a lot more than when parliament isn’t sitting (Ministers can call press conferences whenever they like and it will be reported somewhere, the same can’t be said for shadow ministers).
The fact is over the last 20 years more and more of the federal budget is appropriated through executive regulations (i.e. ministers deciding to spend money on things) rather than legislated appropriations. About $150 billion this year will be spent based on decisions by the cabinet and ministers, not by appropriation through parliament.
I do not think this is ideal, but that is the way things have gone since the early 1980s, and was radically accelerated during the Howard years. This means there is just less legilsation to pass now, nearly half of all spending decisions are decided based on who is the minister.
Also in ‘oz’ article
Mr Stockdale (the Federal Libs Pres) said he abandoned his insistence that the new party president be a Liberal after the Supreme Court last Friday overruled a decision by the state Liberal council to cancel the weekend convention. “I consulted key figures and we concluded it was impractical to maintain our insistence on the presidency,”
So th Presidency was th only objection Everything else was OK , the balance of th Executive , the policy formulation & who’d hav control of it , th future efect on State electons & th mess such a new Party causes Federaly One would hav thought these issues would hav been considered Federaly months ago and the proposal blocked Federaly or tough pre conditons put on it Stockdale like Brough comes out of this poorly
Poor Rod, the sarcasm was clearly lost on some people.
Crikey 259 “Then, in an effort to underline the timidity, Kev retains Christmas Island, sentencing the poor devils to an uncertain future.
Not happy, Kev.
Comments made by some of “the poor devils” show they unlike you are happy with Kev’s “timidity” and releived that others won’t have to go through the same ordeals they went through.
Christmas island stands empty and as i see it will only be used as a stopover for health and ID and security risk checks of people arriving by boat. They will then be out in the community until their refugee status is determined.
A few points from Evan’s speech
“5. Detention in Immigration Detention Centres is only to be used as a last resort and for the shortest practicable time;
6. People in detention will be treated fairly and reasonably within the law; and
7. Conditions of detention will ensure the inherent dignity of the human person.”
http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/2451
(Speech delivered on Tuesday 29 July 2008 at the Centre for International and Public Law, Australian National University)
“At my first meeting with Department officials as Minister for Immigration, I asked who was detained at the immigration detention centre on Nauru and at what stage were their claims for asylum.
I was told there were eight Burmese and 81 Sri Lankans there. Virtually all of this group had already been assessed as refugees but had been left languishing on Nauru.
When I asked why the eight Burmese had not been settled in Australia in accordance with international law there was an embarrassed silence.
Eventually the answer emerged. The Howard Government had ordered they stay put. They had been left rotting on Nauru because the Howard Government wanted to maintain the myth that third country settlement was possible.
Sadly, Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers had sunk this low.”
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ShowsOn
All of them? All of the time?
WE will decide WHICH laws to follow and WHEN we want to follow them!
Senators don’t attend every committee meeting, only meetings of the committees they are assigned to. It would be extremely un-parliamentary for a Senator to fail to attend a Senate meeting without a legitimate excuse (health reasons, other serious personal issues that would need to be explained to the Committee chair and President of the Senate.)
Shows ON – doesn’t that kind of attitude usually result in criminal action against those that broke the law????
Bring it on.
Rudd is off to the Olympics next week, then parliament resumes!
I’m missing Question Time, I wish I could watch Nelson and his bunch of incompetent hasbeens being savaged by the Government.
Anyone ever thought of Friday sittings for Brandis?
http://www.liberal.org.au/info/news/detail/20080307_BackdownonFridaysittingssavedGovernmentfromHighCourthumiliation.php
Meltdown going on and heads exploding at Bolt’s blog. Many vowing never to vote Liberal again.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/blame_not_nelson_but_his_colleagues/
Seems that Turnbull is being blamed for the lot.
Heheheheheh…
And who are the right wing crowd that frequent Bolt’s blog going to vote for, the greens? The problem for the Liberal party is not the extremes, it’s regaining the center.
Charles
Could it be time for another Pauline Hanson reserection?
Wow BB-
I’ve never read Bolt’s blog. Where did they find all those ESJ’s? I thougbt he was unique..
well Vera-
they appear to have the same kind of analytic abilities as PH.
wow… well, I’m never going in there again… bolts place is like a big room full of nazi’s on crystal meth shouting at each other
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