Nelson PPM 12%, Rudd 68%. Ha ha ha ha!!

It would be very interesting to see if the WA Liberals will invite Nelson over to help campaign for Colin Barnett ?

Somehow, I doubt it very much.

My point was that I don’t think China and India would be selfish if they refused to do anything about CC until they had the same emissions per capita as the truly selfish countries like the US, Australia etc.

On human rights, I don’t recall stating your position apart from trying to wedge you on Hillary which you seem to have squirmed out of somehow by the skin of your teeth (and thank God we didn’t choose Edwards BTW).

Obviously no country is without fault, except maybe New Zealand, in causing human rights abuses. I’ve bought lots of books on world history recently and Australia only ever rates about two lines in a 500 page book. But now, finally, I’ve bought a book where we rate a decent mention. It’s called “Blood and Soil” and its a history of genocide. We rate a whole chapter on the 19 Century genocide of Aboriginies.

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“BB
On CC and China, I have to disagree with Ron and agree with you”

re CHINA vs USA , on BOTH humanitarian abuses and CC , you’ve misstated my position , argue your case not mone , I hav enough trouble pputting my case with my lingos without your ‘help’

CC:
China & India has had th decency to ratify Kyoto , USA hav not for selfish reasons ALL three ar huge emitters in total and reductions ar needed from ALL 3 otherwise CC will not get solved Kyoto allows a mechanism for China & India (quiet rightly) to get a dispensation ( a reduced target) as “developing nations” on how high there targets ar vs USA who would get th FULL alocated target as a “developed nation” (same as EU Japan etc get) That reduced target is subject to yet to be negotiated negotiations USA ar holding this process up by refusing to ratify Kyoto

Whats wrong or inequitable with this Kyoto process ? (except to USA competitive to India/China self interests)

HUMAN RIGHTS:
Go back in history & you’ll find most European countries hav been guilty of human right abuses Russia’s record is despicable (Stalin & Soviet epire0 Israel on palestinians “White” South African apatheid Japan in Manchuria killing millions , USA (Iraq & Vietnam directly , and “compliantly in Ruwanda ,Darfur famines , with Pol Pot slaughters , Zamarbe & th Croatia/Sebia genocide)

Who is blameless (Hardly any country !) , and who has more blood on there hands ? China quite rightly should be critisised for Tibet and other “rights” issues and I completely suport Kevin Rudd for doing so and no one should criticise him for his firm dipomalacy BUT China is one of th least ‘abusers’ , lets not be blinkered USA has been a worse indirect ‘human right abuser creating more civilian deaths , but offshore from US mainland , but its still th SAME thing’ , still humanitarian abuse

I liked Hillary’s Public stand idea , let th Chinese rebut with US examples , let it all hang out , instead of being handled by “confidential diplomacy” , a system that for 30 years has failed oppressed peoples world wide My theory of th effective “muted” reactions to russia/Georgia , is every Nation knows they also hav skeletons , and Russia knows it

“The most significant price rises this quarter were for deposit and loan facilities (+9.5%), automotive fuel (+8.7%), rents (+2.2%), hospital and medical services (+4.0%), house purchase (+1.0%), furniture (+3.1%), and spirits (+6.1%).”

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/ProductsbyReleaseDate/938DA570A34A8EDACA2568A900139350?OpenDocument

You’ve been very quiet recently. I thought the comments on CC in China would bring you out of your lair.

I have solved your feasibility problem vis-a-vis the Ron-Wong Solar Farm. As gusface pointed out earlier, high voltage DC should solve the connectivity distance problem. And there is something called Pumped-Storage Hydroelectricity which will solve some of the storage problems. The principle is fairly simple. Excess electricity is used to pump water from a reservoir up a mountain into another reservoir. When you need the power, the floodgates open and turning turbines and creating hydroelectric electricity. I would at least appreciate a footnote when you collect the Nobel Peace Price with Ms Wong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped_storage

This add is about to go out in the USA calling for a total switch to clean power in 10 years. Impossible yes but a sign of the momentum that is going to swallow up people like Minchin and co.

http://www.wecansolveit.org/page/invite/repoweramerica