Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Newspoll: 56-44

The Australian reports that Labor’s lead in this fortnight’s Newspoll is down slightly from 57-43 to 56-44. Kevin Rudd is down three points as preferred leader to 65 per cent while Brendan Nelson is up two to 14 per cent.

The latest weekly Essential Research survey shows no change in Labor’s long-standing 58-42 lead. Also featured is a national-level question on state voting intention which suggests collective primary vote support for the state Labor governments is 7 per cent lower than for federal Labor (40 per cent compared with 47 per cent), although Coalition support is only 3 per cent higher (38 per cent compared with 35 per cent). Further questions involve federal Labor’s performance on various individual issues, and attitudes to the balance of power in the Senate.

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  1. 401
    dave
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    #394 Harry

    Agree !

    Shananhanahan should pick up on that great narrative – “Cunning Kevin and the 6 states and 2 territories”

    Kerry O’Brien had a big smirk on his face on the cross back to him.

  2. 402
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    401 and I loved the “yes there has been some criticism about a lack of a narrative… thanks Paul…”

  3. 403
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Was wondering , th Lord Mayor of Brisbane is th Liberal Party’s most senior elected official in ‘oz’ , who is th Liberal Party’s second most senior elected official in ‘oz’

  4. 404
    steve
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    No Ron he is not a Liberal anymore just your common garden variety Pineapple Party member since the Clive Palmer buyout there are no major Liberal posts anywhere of note.

  5. 405
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    I seriously doubt that people who oppose fuelwatch have ever owned a car or stopped to buy some petrol in their lives. For goodness sakes, show some imagination.

    The price of fuel can vary as much as 25 cents a litre on any given day. You are basically playing two-up every time you stop to put petrol in the car. With fuelwatch, you won’t even have to check the prices on the net. The fact that prices will be displayed will create greater cosistency and competition among retailers.

    Grocery Watch is a completely different ball game. However, I am sure that in the future customers will be able to instantly and efficiently obtain prices on the net as if you are walking down the supermarket isles yourself. At least we will all know that the idea originated from the Rudd government, and we will all know forever, opposed by the most useless opposition led by Brenda Nelson of all time.

  6. 406
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    I hate that word “narrative”.

  7. 407
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    LOL – Thanks Mr Rudd for Fuelwatch your the best!!! I love all the Labor hacks who talk like Kevin Rudd is the tsar looking out for his people from Moscow.

  8. 408
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    There is afterall a reason they called the show “Hollowmen”.

  9. 409
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Mmm, what’s this I see in the water? A fishing line. Nah, I think I’ll give that one a miss.

  10. 410
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Ahhh poor ESJ, doesn’t realise that the recent Hollowmen episodes were written under one J. Howard lol

  11. 411
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    I was able to catch the back half of QT today. I started watching when Tanner was answering a question, and it was so noticeable that Gillard and Bishop were having serious words at each other across the chamber.

    There was Julia shaking her head with a great big gorgeous smile on her face. Julie B looked so frustrated LOL I thought she was about to have some kind of inner body experience.

  12. 412
    dave
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    If fuelwatch is not introduced the fuel companies should be stopped from obtaining or accessing the prices of other sellers in the market

  13. 413
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    has th new Q’ld ‘Liberal Party’ that was to be formed with some MP’s (subsequent to new Pineapple Party’s formation) seen lite of day Steve (can not find much news of it)

  14. 414
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    You believe what you need to believe Dario if it makes you feel better.

  15. 415
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    LOL GB,

    Give me some more of those vintage GB quotes to support GB arguments.
    Instead of “I think therefore I am” we have “I posted before therefore I am correct ” in your case.

  16. 416
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    dave

    #412
    “If fuelwatch is not introduced the fuel companies should be stopped from obtaining or accessing the prices of other sellers in the market”

    Believe its a privately owned site , where Retailers freely provide there prices , not sure it can be closed , of course they do it to massage prices against consumers and not to give consumers th lowest price

    One of great advantages of FuelWatch is rerquirement to posts prices 24 hours in advance , and I do not accept arguments FuelWatch in WA or anywhere does not depress prices , to me its commonsense it would

    So any Stats that allege otherwise my reaction is you can make figures give any answer you like , but you can not beat is peoples sense of what is realistic and what is a bullsh.t figures report conclusion So am all for FuelWatch whatever its imperfections if any

  17. 417
    gusface
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    qanda is raising some curlies re zion and its nuke arsenal
    quiet enlightening

  18. 418
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Believe its a privately owned site , where Retailers freely provide there prices , not sure it can be closed , of course they do it to massage prices against consumers and not to give consumers th lowest price

    The WA site is run by the Department of Consumer and Employment Protection, which is a State Govt site, while fuelwatch.com.au is a private site and is NOT affiliated to the WA scheme.

  19. 419
    gusface
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    sorry rest of post went into space

    i was going to say that this show is going from strength to strength and if anything is an example of what auntie should be promoting-open and frank discussion

  20. 420
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    411 Centre – Bishop is not coping well with opposition. She and Hockey I think are the one’s struggling with it the most.

  21. 421
    vera
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    All this Yank flag waving is too much for this old aussie sheila to stomach,
    at least our Kev writes his own speeches, boring maybe, but what you see is what you get, straight from the horses mouth, and that’ll do me.
    Those ‘effin’ nausiating loud mouth posing egotistical limelight whore septics with their Hollywood style bullshit extravaganzas make me wanna puke. full of piss and wind the lot of ‘em.

  22. 422
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    “while fuelwatch.com.au is a private site and is NOT affiliated to the WA scheme”

    That is site would think can not be closed by Govt action as its for petrol retailers ‘benefit’

  23. 423
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely Vera !

  24. 424
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    vera @ 421. Perhaps you could have a word with Bushfire Bil?

  25. 425
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    421 vera – I wish you wouldn’t pull your punches and say what you really think. Well put though.

  26. 426
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Grog @ 420,They’re all struggling with it. Perhaps Julie Bishop and Joe Hockey (lordy, how it must gall him that his supposed friend, whom he described as being unready to by PM, is) do struggle the most, but I’d be betting Peter Costello must be writhing in unfulfilled narcissitic angst.

  27. 427
    vera
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Just aving a laugh folks.
    Harry I reckon bushfire bill is a great writer and should apply for the recently vacated position as Editor of the Age.

  28. 428
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Say whatever you like about the cigar chomping Bill Clinton. He was good, he was good and he was fantastic. He still looks and sounds like a present day POTUS. Pres. Obama should make him the Secretary of State.

    The Master Has Arrived - As for Bill Clinton's speech, halfway through I thought: The Master has arrived. Crazy Bill, the red-faced Rageaholic, was somewhere else. This was Deft Political Pro Bill doing what no one had been able to do up to this point at the convention, and that is make the case for Barack Obama

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121988803885278541.html?mod=todays_columnists

  29. 429
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    “apply for the recently vacated position as Editor of the Age.’

    Actualy I’d like to take over as Edotor of th ‘oz’ , and bring Shanahanahan under my trainings in both lingo and what makes fact instead of spin , and what makes
    blalance instead of imbalnce

    People do not mind a story with constructive ctiricism of a party , but object when storys ar regularly slanted making only rusted on uninformed consevatives happy

  30. 430
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    FINNS

    if they mix up th votes at convention , Billy may get nominated again

  31. 431
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Amigo ronnie, dont know about you. but why is it that Obama has to be propped by so many strong women in his life.

    * His mum
    * his grandma
    * his wife
    * hillary
    * nancy pelosi
    * his daughters

  32. 432
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    You believe what you need to believe Dario if it makes you feel better.

    Poor ESJ… the denial continues…

  33. 433
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Amigo , well 3 of those he’s subsequently ridiculed in public & ran th bus over
    .
    Contrast to Kevin07 is so stark , there would not be a major domestic policy of Obama that Kevin07 would support , nor his laissez faire economics , nor his zero support for Kyoto , yet he speaks dazzlingly , and Kevin speaks so blandly , guess we aussies prefer somone fair dinkum rather talking bullsh.t ..even if it sounds inspiring

  34. 434
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Just watching BBC on then latest research data on whales. The whales are losing their fat and their blubber is thinning due to CC.

    This kinda in line with my own research because I have been telling my wife that I will also lose weight due to CC. So no wonder Kevin07 is so thin as well.

  35. 435
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    “I have been telling my wife that I will also lose weight due to CC”

    rather ingenious argument there , suppose you’ve “explained’ to her what remedial cures there ar to offset this

  36. 436
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Amigo, she always said i eat like a whale. so i have now the good science on my side.

  37. 437
    vera
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Finns what about the Flippers are they shrinking too?

    I’m watching the nutters on Fox and they are about to tell me about bill clintons body language, wink wink nudge nudge!
    Yuk! they just had on a photo of the Snake Oil salesman
    I throw bricks at the TV everytime he appears but the bugger’s so oily they just slide right off!

  38. 438
    Ron
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    she’s just so lucky to hav a scientificaly minded husband thinking of her interests

  39. 439
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Vera, yes the flipper is me, dolfinn, and i am shrinking too.

    i dont mind that much about the oily one but I CANNOT stand the wife. Something about Michelle.

  40. 440
    vera
    Posted Thursday, August 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    she sorta sneers a lot doesn.t she

  41. 441
    Ron
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    well she’s just a lucky lady , held senior job in hospital at $100,000 per year , month after hi State Senatorial electon there she was getting $300,000 a year , can not help good luck , only in th US of A

  42. 442
    Ron
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Whats happened is a sheer accident of history George Bush is probably th worst president in US history , abused institutions , set up Gitmo & proceeded with Iraq war , people genuinely were desperate for a change & get away from his terrible legacy , and luck has it a brilliant orator arrives on scene saying all right things so inspiringly

    People understandably just jumped onto th Obama bandwagon offering “change’ , pity is in there eagerness after th terror of bush years otherwise very intelligent people just did not closely examine his history nor his written policys…WHAT is worse HE cunningly snake oil salesman warned th people that his detractors would attack his ‘history’ & ‘policys’ !! (reverse pschology) so the “committed’ simply hav taken no notice of anything adverse (he forwarned them ) Pity Al gore was not running , or genuine other ‘left’ candidate

  43. 443
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    Spot the flaw in the accuracy of this headline regarding figures from a survey.
    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24256474-952,00.html

  44. 444
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    I meant the flaw in the opening paragrah.

  45. 445
    Ron
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    candidateS (any)

  46. 446
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    The Rudd government has been in 9 months and these figures cover the last two years ie 2006-7. So our friend Craig Johnstone wants to conclude on these figures that “THE Rudd Government’s education revolution has stalled for Queensland school-leavers, as more than a third opt for a job over further study.”
    Where do they get these reporters?

  47. 447
    Ron
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    yep Gary , there can be no school leavers from year 12 under Rudd till end of this year Both headline and story should hav howards name on it a that what figures frefer to , rather than smearing Rudd falsely , alot of people will read it unknowingly thinking rudd has not succeeded

  48. 448
    Ron
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Listening to Senate , can not undrstand opposition to FuelWatch & criticism of GroceryWatch , because EVEN if currently hav teething problems , they still must be benefit to consumers being even more aware of grocery prices & petrol prices , and making big Food chains at least ‘think’ twice As we go along new schemes can always be fine tuned , rather than saying hav nothing

  49. 449
    steve
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    446 “Where do they get these reporters?”

    He’s just another Curious Snail cheer squad leader for the Pineapple Party. Their main brief seems to be to churn out another antiBligh story each day.

  50. 450
    Dyno
    Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Ron,
    I think the main benefit of FuelWatch is peace of mind – people wouldn’t have to worry that the next servo down the road might have better prices, as they could have already checked on-line. I don’t see it actually increasing competition – if anything it may lead to greater unformity in prices between service stations. The expert opinion seems divided (some departments, from memory, said it would increase prices) but I don’t think anyone is saying it makes a massive difference.
    The Liberals are foolish to oppose it. It isn’t going to be a big deal one way or the other and the Liberals would be well advised to let the public work that out for themselves – as it is, there’ll now be two years of “we tried to help but the Liberals wouldn’t let us”. The Libs should abstain from the vote.

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