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		<title>By: Paul S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186187</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great day for Lyne.  The nats have only done lyne farming communites harm. There are some great cummunities and people in this seat, i hope this independant can help them get a better deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great day for Lyne.  The nats have only done lyne farming communites harm. There are some great cummunities and people in this seat, i hope this independant can help them get a better deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186125</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possum - I agree about Dyers Crossing being last stranglehold for Nats - meeting I attend in local community prove exactly that.   There was absolute vitriol for Rudd and ALP before and after 24/11.   It raises its silly head at nearly every meeting in some form or other.
Horse flu thing was a case in point - they blame Labor for not doing enough about it.  Before 24/11 they were all adamant that they knew exactly how the thing got into the country and named the horse, who was responsible and also named the Howard Govt. Minister but now it is a different story.   
Dyers will not change in my lifetime even tho farming is non-existant in its old form within that area.   
It is great to see the Nats gone from the seat at last.  They did b..... all for the area.   And Vaile&#039;s limp (wet fish, actually) handshake said it all about the bloke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possum &#8211; I agree about Dyers Crossing being last stranglehold for Nats &#8211; meeting I attend in local community prove exactly that.   There was absolute vitriol for Rudd and ALP before and after 24/11.   It raises its silly head at nearly every meeting in some form or other.<br />
Horse flu thing was a case in point &#8211; they blame Labor for not doing enough about it.  Before 24/11 they were all adamant that they knew exactly how the thing got into the country and named the horse, who was responsible and also named the Howard Govt. Minister but now it is a different story.<br />
Dyers will not change in my lifetime even tho farming is non-existant in its old form within that area.<br />
It is great to see the Nats gone from the seat at last.  They did b&#8230;.. all for the area.   And Vaile&#8217;s limp (wet fish, actually) handshake said it all about the bloke.</p>
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		<title>By: oakeshott country</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186113</link>
		<dc:creator>oakeshott country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree Possum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree Possum</p>
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		<title>By: oakeshott country</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186112</link>
		<dc:creator>oakeshott country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Port Macquarie, Lisa Intermann (dismissed councillor but not one of the Glasshouse group) was reported on local ABC radio as saying that 4 of the dismissed councillors turned up at a NSWEC information night for potential candidates. 
I guess this implies that she is interested in running as well as the ex-deputy mayor Bob Sharpham (who I think is a National&#039;s stooge) and Jamie Harrison. There must also be  another interested councillor. James Langley (who ran for the ALP at the last Federal election ) and Leslie Williams (Nationals) are also running.
I think the big questions are whether the Liberals will run - with the right candidate I think they would give it a strong shake and whether Oakeshott will endorse an independent candidate. It is possible that with such a plethora of credible independents, Leslie Williams will do a Steve Bradbury and sail through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Port Macquarie, Lisa Intermann (dismissed councillor but not one of the Glasshouse group) was reported on local ABC radio as saying that 4 of the dismissed councillors turned up at a NSWEC information night for potential candidates.<br />
I guess this implies that she is interested in running as well as the ex-deputy mayor Bob Sharpham (who I think is a National&#8217;s stooge) and Jamie Harrison. There must also be  another interested councillor. James Langley (who ran for the ALP at the last Federal election ) and Leslie Williams (Nationals) are also running.<br />
I think the big questions are whether the Liberals will run &#8211; with the right candidate I think they would give it a strong shake and whether Oakeshott will endorse an independent candidate. It is possible that with such a plethora of credible independents, Leslie Williams will do a Steve Bradbury and sail through.</p>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186111</link>
		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know the political inclination of George Negus? He lives out Bellingen way and at least understands politics (which already puts him way ahead of most celebrity candidates).

The next ALP candidate for Cowper should be out in the community trying to create a profile now - not as the next ALP candidate, but as a community leader. That&#039;s probably one thing the ALP has never really been good at - prepping the community for their candidates. 

Profile is worth buckets of votes in the regions - that&#039;s what Country Labor should have been using their resources between elections to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know the political inclination of George Negus? He lives out Bellingen way and at least understands politics (which already puts him way ahead of most celebrity candidates).</p>
<p>The next ALP candidate for Cowper should be out in the community trying to create a profile now &#8211; not as the next ALP candidate, but as a community leader. That&#8217;s probably one thing the ALP has never really been good at &#8211; prepping the community for their candidates. </p>
<p>Profile is worth buckets of votes in the regions &#8211; that&#8217;s what Country Labor should have been using their resources between elections to do.</p>
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		<title>By: oakeshott country</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186107</link>
		<dc:creator>oakeshott country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Cowper, the original Coffs Harbour based ALP candidate was replaced by Paul Sekfy from Taylor&#039;s Arms with about 3 months to go. The CH branch members were somewhat peeved and it has been suggested that there may have be a less than full input into the election from some of the branches. It was only fairly late in the day that the ALP realised it was winnable and put some resources in. It will be very interesting to see what happens next time up. 

Someone told me that when the ALP decided to change candidate they began looking for a local celebrity, names suggested were Russell Crowe, Jack Thompson and David Helfgott. Paul Sekfy looks fairly stable compared to that lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Cowper, the original Coffs Harbour based ALP candidate was replaced by Paul Sekfy from Taylor&#8217;s Arms with about 3 months to go. The CH branch members were somewhat peeved and it has been suggested that there may have be a less than full input into the election from some of the branches. It was only fairly late in the day that the ALP realised it was winnable and put some resources in. It will be very interesting to see what happens next time up. </p>
<p>Someone told me that when the ALP decided to change candidate they began looking for a local celebrity, names suggested were Russell Crowe, Jack Thompson and David Helfgott. Paul Sekfy looks fairly stable compared to that lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuckles all round OC.

I was surprised by Cowper at the last Fed election - surprised that the ALP didn&#039;t win it when it really should have been a slam dunk.

The Nats in Cowper will be killed by demographic change alone by 2010.

Dyers Crossing seems to be the last home of the Nats in the electorate - getting 47% of the Primary (I made an error earlier up in the thread on this) compared to Oakeshott&#039;s 39.7% and going on to win the TPP at the booth by 2 votes - 235 to 233.

There wasnt another booth where the Nats cracked 40% of the primary, and only 6 where they cracked 30!

There&#039;s still the absents, prepolls and whatnot to come in - RO should crack 75% TPP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuckles all round OC.</p>
<p>I was surprised by Cowper at the last Fed election &#8211; surprised that the ALP didn&#8217;t win it when it really should have been a slam dunk.</p>
<p>The Nats in Cowper will be killed by demographic change alone by 2010.</p>
<p>Dyers Crossing seems to be the last home of the Nats in the electorate &#8211; getting 47% of the Primary (I made an error earlier up in the thread on this) compared to Oakeshott&#8217;s 39.7% and going on to win the TPP at the booth by 2 votes &#8211; 235 to 233.</p>
<p>There wasnt another booth where the Nats cracked 40% of the primary, and only 6 where they cracked 30!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s still the absents, prepolls and whatnot to come in &#8211; RO should crack 75% TPP.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>67...

Speaking of state matters...  does anyone now have a prediction on what might happen in the state by-election in 6 weeks time? Do you reckon we can call Rob Drew &amp; Leslie Williams &quot;Mr &amp; Mrs 20 percent&quot; in 2008?</description>
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<p>Speaking of state matters&#8230;  does anyone now have a prediction on what might happen in the state by-election in 6 weeks time? Do you reckon we can call Rob Drew &amp; Leslie Williams &#8220;Mr &amp; Mrs 20 percent&#8221; in 2008?</p>
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		<title>By: oakeshott country</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakeshott country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does this result mean for Cowper, which Labor missed by 1% last time after a very disrupted and underfunded campaign?
Could the Nationals be completely removed from the NSW Coast at the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does this result mean for Cowper, which Labor missed by 1% last time after a very disrupted and underfunded campaign?<br />
Could the Nationals be completely removed from the NSW Coast at the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: oakeshott country</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/06/lyne-by-election-count-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-186085</link>
		<dc:creator>oakeshott country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herron&#039;s creek, dosen&#039;t surprise me. When I was the ALP candidate it and Elands were the only booths I won (however you do a smiley).

I normally wouldn&#039;t comment on such an inconsequentiallity as the DLP vote but after what happened on the previous thread perhaps a few words are worthwhile (tongue firmly in cheek).

This is an absolute disaster for the party. In terms of finances alone the loss of the deposit and failure to skim the election funds must make the party&#039;s survival doubtful. 

However, lets look at the votes - 618! and this in an election where masses of disenfranchied Labor voters were going to pour across to the &quot;other Labor party&quot;. In fact if you remove the random voters (surely at least 200) and those who confused the DLP for the ALP (again at least 200 and, by the posts on this site, the DLP&#039;s main campaign stratergy) you are left with about 200 people who made a conscious decision to vote for the blow-in.

Let&#039;s get the vote in context. At 1% the vote has dropped by a third since the senate election last year. The Fishing vote is 4 times greater than the DLP - 4 times as many people chose a party whose main interest is in catch size over the DLP&#039;s world view. The informal vote is 4 times greater than the DLP- 4 times as many people are interested in using the ballot for colouring-in than those who believe the DLP has the answers. Barry Wright got within 150 votes of the DLP. Barry admits he stands for elections as therapy after his wife&#039;s death. He believes that Australia should have a form of Swiss federalism largely because his wife was Swiss. However, at least he lives locally and campaigns. Last Friday, in torrential rain, I saw his car with a Swiss flag and balloons in Aboriginal colours outside Purfleet.

So, the people who seek to revive a dead and largely reviled brand name from the 60s need to do some soul-searching. The DLP is as dead as B A Santamaria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herron&#8217;s creek, dosen&#8217;t surprise me. When I was the ALP candidate it and Elands were the only booths I won (however you do a smiley).</p>
<p>I normally wouldn&#8217;t comment on such an inconsequentiallity as the DLP vote but after what happened on the previous thread perhaps a few words are worthwhile (tongue firmly in cheek).</p>
<p>This is an absolute disaster for the party. In terms of finances alone the loss of the deposit and failure to skim the election funds must make the party&#8217;s survival doubtful. </p>
<p>However, lets look at the votes &#8211; 618! and this in an election where masses of disenfranchied Labor voters were going to pour across to the &#8220;other Labor party&#8221;. In fact if you remove the random voters (surely at least 200) and those who confused the DLP for the ALP (again at least 200 and, by the posts on this site, the DLP&#8217;s main campaign stratergy) you are left with about 200 people who made a conscious decision to vote for the blow-in.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get the vote in context. At 1% the vote has dropped by a third since the senate election last year. The Fishing vote is 4 times greater than the DLP &#8211; 4 times as many people chose a party whose main interest is in catch size over the DLP&#8217;s world view. The informal vote is 4 times greater than the DLP- 4 times as many people are interested in using the ballot for colouring-in than those who believe the DLP has the answers. Barry Wright got within 150 votes of the DLP. Barry admits he stands for elections as therapy after his wife&#8217;s death. He believes that Australia should have a form of Swiss federalism largely because his wife was Swiss. However, at least he lives locally and campaigns. Last Friday, in torrential rain, I saw his car with a Swiss flag and balloons in Aboriginal colours outside Purfleet.</p>
<p>So, the people who seek to revive a dead and largely reviled brand name from the 60s need to do some soul-searching. The DLP is as dead as B A Santamaria.</p>
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