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Newspoll: 50-50; Westpoll 51-49 to Labor

The last polls of the WA election campaign are in: 50-50 in Newspoll, 51-49 to Labor in Westpoll. The respective samples are 1802 and 402. Westpoll also has marginal seat polls of around 400 voters, showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Scarborough, 56-44 Kingsley, 59-41 in Kalamunda and 52-48 in Collie-Preston, while Labor leads 50.5-49.5 in Riverton. None of these seats are must-wins for Labor.

The two-party figures conceal a collapse in the Labor primary vote, put at 35 per cent by Newspoll and 37 per cent by Westpoll (compared with 41.9 per cent in 2005). However, much of the lost vote is leaking to the Greens (12 per cent in Newspoll and 11 per cent in Westpoll, compared with 7.6 per cent in 2005) and coming back as preferences. Newspoll records by far the worst ever personal ratings for Alan Carpenter, with 42 per cent satisfied (down seven points) and 48 per cent dissatisfied (up eight points). Barnett is on 40 per cent and 43 per cent; Carpenter still leads as better premier 48 per cent to 35 per cent. Westpoll has the latter measure at 47 per cent for Carpenter and 27 per cent for Barnett, suggesting its smaller sample might be skewed to Labor.

Interestingly, Tony Barrass of The Australian talks of “Newspoll’s additional analysis in the 10 most marginal Labor seats” which “reveals an average two-party Labor vote of 48 per cent”. That amounts to a swing of 4 per cent, which would cost Labor nine seats and government if applied evenly across the 10 (unless John Bowler wins Kalgoorlie, as some are suggesting). However, Robert Taylor of The West writes that Labor are holding up relatively well in the southern suburbs, suggesting they should retain Jandakot and maybe even Riverton.

This raises the question of which seats are dragging up the average. Expectations are that John Castrilli will perform very strongly in his bid for re-election in Bunbury. It has been observed that Labor are struggling in the northern suburbs, which Westpoll backs up with a 6 per cent swing in Kingsley. This might have significance for Ocean Reef and Joondalup, notwithstanding that Labor has heavily targeted those seats while abandoning Kingsley. A Labor win in Jandakot could thus be cancelled out by a Liberal win in a northern suburbs seat further up the pendulum. That might mean Joondalup or perhaps Wanneroo, where new developments have been breaking out like acne over the past four years. Most of these have been concentrated around the new suburb of Tapping, whose booths split about 57-43 in favour of the Liberals at the federal election. Alan Carpenter could be found there yesterday campaigning at the local primary school.

Boy, this is going to be fun.

In the upper house, strong Greens polling suggests they should win four seats, although they have been disappointed before on election night. That should reduce Labor to 13 seats out of what is likely to be a combined “left” minority result of 17 seats out of 36. My tip for the 19 seats of the “right” is 14 Liberals, three Nationals (also performing strongly in Newspoll, confirming anecdotal evidence) and two Family First.

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  1. 251
    ruawake
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Rod

    The Osbourne independants got two, The Ex Footy Player and Uhlmann. :-P

  2. 252
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Glen

    I drew your attention to the article by Hartcher to make appoint that here in Australia we are pretty civilised in our debate. I mean you (ie. one) can still be a party (eg. Liberal) supporter and have your views on issues like euthanasia recognised and respected within the party…

  3. 253
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    What’s that about Uhlmann? CHRIS Uhlmann? Was he a politician? If so, for whom?

  4. 254
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    The Osbourne independants got two

    You can hear Paul or “Ozzie” commentating on real football (as opposed to kick ‘n’ giggle or Futbol) on NSW ABC Local Radio most weekends…

  5. 255
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    253 Bushfire – I don’t know myself but do you really have to ask?

  6. 256
    Rx
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Uhlman once stood as a candidate, independent unless I’m wrong. Which election, and whether state or federal, I know not.

  7. 257
    wbj
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Albert

    I don’t know if that liberal indulgence would apply these days in the NSW Liberal party unless you oppose euthanasia.

  8. 258
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Enjoy my exciting WA election day slide show.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/30217152@N05/

  9. 259
    ruawake
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    “Late in 1977 I believed I was being called to work in the Church. (I can’t remember why, but I was playing a lot of football at the time and suffered many sharp blows to the head). I left school in 1978, moved to Sydney and joined the Marist Fathers. By mid-1982 it became apparent to all that I had misheard my call, and on emerging into the workforce, I was surprised to discover that my considerable academic achievements thus far (which included the much-coveted Associate Diploma in Religious Studies) had not equipped me for any other job.

    There followed “the wilderness years”, which ended in 1988 with the completion of my BA in Communications. The following year I left Sydney and joined The Canberra Times as perhaps the world’s oldest cadet. I covered a number of rounds, including the formative years of the ACT Legislative Assembly. In 1992 I moved on to the federal Parliamentary Press Gallery. In 1993 I left the Times to edit the ill-fated Canberra Weekly.

    I spent a year in India in 1996 and on my return joined the ABC as a producer. In 1998 I jumped the fence, briefly, and stood with the Osborne Independents in the ACT election.”

    Chris Uhlmann. :-P

  10. 260
    L
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Lot of talk here about Labor’s primary vote going to the Greens, and the assumption that it will return to the ALP on the 2PP in enough numbers to let them fall over the line.

    The first point is certainly true, but I’d submit that the second may not….Labor has spent the last week of the campaign talking up uranium mining of all things. A total non-issue for most voters…except green ones. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that Labor’s research is showing less then expected Greeg preference flows, and they’ve been trying to scare those votes back into the 2PP cart. If that’s the case they might well be gone tonight.

  11. 261
    Dyno
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Very ignorant question, is WA optional preferential or full preferential?
    Sorry to ask such a silly one but it’s vital to the issue of where those Green votes are going to end up.

  12. 262
    SR
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Full.

  13. 263
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    full preferential

  14. 264
    Dyno
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Cheers

  15. 265
    Big Blind Dave
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    full preferential Dyno

  16. 266
    Diogenes
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    248 ESJ

    The best version I’ve heard of your comment is Michael Kinsley’s Law of Scandal

    The scandal isn’t what’s illegal; it’s what’s legal.

    His is also famous for defining what’s known as a Kinsley gaffe. “A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth.”

  17. 267
    Big Blind Dave
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    but some voters always try to get too clever, which is why i am leaving soon to scrutineer in Kalamunda

  18. 268
    imacca
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Interesting morning on a polling booth. I think the ALP primary will suffer (any long term Govt does when trying for re-election i think) but i also think that a lot of those voting green will preference ALP as they just cant stomach Chairman Sniff still being on the shadow cabinet and still see the Libs as the party of R&P especialy re: logging and uranium.

    I dont think the supposed “corruption” issues with the ALP (which are old hat anyhow) really figure with voters over here, or at least are less of an issue than the seat sniffing, bra snapping, antics of the shadow treasurer. That was really off putting for a lot of people. Not so much what he did as he is a known moron, but that the Liberal Party continued to support him as leader for some time afterward.

    Apparently my wife’s fascist friend (who she always sounds out pre-election) is voting ALP this time around and that ussualy a good indicator.

    We had a lot of absentee voters (it was a CBD Freo booth) so even though it was a strong ALP seat i would have thought we would see it if there was a real anti-alp feeling. It just wasnt there. I reckon that Carps has another term in him.

    That said, i think this is one the libs have to win. If they dont, Barnett is out of there, Chairman Sniff is back in charge, and the State Libs will show us whole new ways to disintigrate that have never been contemplated before.

    Hope the Nats do well this time, but will be interesting to see if they stick to their position of no coalition.

  19. 269
    Big Blind Dave
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Leader on the HTV?

    I haven’t seen it in this thread, so forgive me if i am repeating something discussed

    I have seen HTV cards from a few seats today and one of the differences between the LIb and ALP cards is that ALP have Caprs on theirs and Libs don’t have Colin.

    Is this clever on either sides behalf?

    Shoot me for saying this, but I noticed many voters look at the fresh atractive profile of the ALP candidate for Kalamunda in the top left corner of the HTV with favour.

    They would reach out to take it and then see Carps in the bottom right corner of the HTV and hesitate if not withdraw.

    Any thoughts?

  20. 270
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Optional preferential was introduced in NSW by the Wran Labor Govt, with the aim of exhausting Lib/Nat votes against the ALP in 3 cornered contests.

    It is a great irony that the Greens now exhaust and waste votes that came from the ALP.

  21. 271
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    I dont have a problem with OPV, you shouldnt have to vote for a party or group you dont like.

  22. 272
    Big Blind Dave
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Leader on HTV PtII

    The other point to consider is that many voters see Colin as being the only competent polly left in Lib ranks, so why not put him on the card?

    btw, i use the word “many” too “many” times- and i have told myself a billion times not to exagerate.

  23. 273
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    From distant South Australia, I was wondering why the ALP was carrying on about uranium mining and genetically modified crops ….. of course, to try to lock in Green preferences. Thanks for the tip up above.

  24. 274
    rod
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    RU

    Uhlmann stood but I don’t think he got in, I think Rugendyke was the 2nd Osbourne candidate elected.

  25. 275
    VPL
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    At the risk of poking a hornet’s nest let me just say that IMHO any sane Green would be in favour of uranium mining and nuclear power plants. If you accept anthropomorphic global warming then, short of a return to the middle ages, it our last best bet. Even Bob Carr agrees with me and that’s saying something!

  26. 276
    LTEP
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    So the Greens and Bob Carr are a perfect match? No.

    To think the Greens would ever go within an inch of anything with the word nuclear in it is… insane.

  27. 277
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Who or what are the Osbourne candidates? What were they about? Does anyone know?

  28. 278
    ruawake
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    rod

    You are correct. :)

  29. 279
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    HSO in the first couple of elections there were even groups like No Self Government Party who won 4 seats or Abolish Self Government who won 1 seat. ACT politics is crazy, also they had the Residents Rally group that toppled a Labor Government there too.

  30. 280
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    VPL @ 275. Far from poking a hornet’s nest, you’ll probably get ignored, or from me, for goodness sake, go and do the research on why it’s a no brainer to build nuclear power plants in Australia – cost/benefit analysis 101 will do, and why places without access to alternative sources of base load power might be willing to part with their readies for Australia’s uranium.

  31. 281
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Glen, do you know anything about what the Osbourne people were on about? What was their political position?

  32. 282
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Osborne

  33. 283
    LTEP
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Large bests of $15,000 and $20,000 placed on the ALP being returned in WA.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24303104-421,00.html

  34. 284
    LTEP
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Of course, that should read ‘large bets’

  35. 285
    Wamg Liqin
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    I cast my vote in the new seat of Cannington this morning at the Sevenoaks booth. To my shock horror, the liberals actually had more people manning the booth than the labor party.

    In fact, there were a bunch of bullshit hot chicks handing out liberal how to vote cards. Why are hot chicks helping the Tories?

  36. 286
    Darn
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Thanks LTEP. I think those large bets are very significant. The big punters get it right more often than not.

  37. 287
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    New thread.

  38. 288
    Sertse
    Posted Saturday, September 6, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    ABC Radio stream begins

    http://www.abc.net.au/perth/onair/720stream.asx

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