This fortnight’s Newspoll shows Labor’s two-party lead unchanged on 56-44. Kevin Rudd’s approval rating is down three points to 62 per cent, while Brendan Nelson’s is up two to 16 per cent.
The weekly Essential Research survey has Labor retaining its 59-41 lead. Peter Costello is rated best person to lead the Liberals by 26 per cent against 13 per cent for Malcolm Turnbull, 8 per cent for Julie Bishop and 7 per cent for Brendan Nelson. However, Kevin Rudd is preferred to Peter Costello head-to-head 53 per cent to 27 per cent.
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No 198
Yes, it is easy for republicans to say that constitutional change is easy, but there is deep division in the republican movement as to which model to pursue.
Scorpio, I already dealt with the false construction being put on the 1907 case, see above.
No 167
1. The involvement of the Queen is merely a formality, much like the Governor General. Indeed both the Sovereign and Head of State are benign given that they both act on the advice of the Prime Minister (notwithstanding the 1975 crisis).
2. I accept what you’re saying but are you not concerned that scientists are subscribing to the AGW argument dogmatically? Chastising any opponents as morally contemptible? That is not science, that is religion.
Adam, I realise that. I was just adding my little bit to demonstrate how GP and most of the rest of his kind are so adept at re-writing history to justify their ridiculous arguments.
Loved the way you tore apart the proposition that Rudd supported the Iraq adventure.
Hello amigo FINNS
#154
yes oiliness , our Croweating doc from Adelaide like others , does not respond everytime we ask th simple queton …seeing ANY Democrat POTUS will be a NON Bush so what positives apart from being NON Bush , will oiliness in policy bring to table…we hear th anti Repug stuff , but where’s th pro stuff
Of course our Doc gets “energised” everytime a women with reel “ticker” is mentioned vs oiliness , first it was Hillary now th lady , always with quotes to quote from those ‘fair & balanced newspapers Huff women’s and DailyKos
Just give up now GP. You’re not having a very good day.
GP, if you keep running backwards at the pace you are at present, you are going to end up back at the starting line or fall in a ridiculous heap.
No 206
Dario, you are still imbecilicly denying that Rudd pledged that the buck stops with me.
On Iraq, let’s be clear: Labor accepted the proposition that Iraq had WMD and was a threat to regional security. We NOW know of course that Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld were lying about Iraq’s WMD, but we didn’t know that in 2003. Labor did not accept the left’s view that Bush was an evil madman and the war was all about oil, US imperialism etc etc. (Latham of course did hold that view but it was never party policy.) The sticking point for Labor was the lack of a UN mandate to intervene. That’s what distinguished this war from the Gulf War. Labor supports the UN and, given the evidence before it about Iraq’s WMD, would have supported a war in Iraq had there been a UN mandate.
Hardly, I’m denying quite validly that he ever said it in regard to the economy, which was your original accusation, and one of many of yours destroyed utterly in this thread so far.
Guys and Gals… the election was last year. The Republic Referendum was about a decade ago.
Why are you fighting them all over again, and with GP to boot?
He’s never going to concede any point you make.
Generic Person
“No. 167
1. The involvement of the Queen is merely a FORMALITY, much like the Governor General. Indeed both the Sovereign and Head of State are benign given that they both act on the advice of the Prime Minister (notwithstanding the 1975 CRISIS)
“Formality” ? yes but it is also a fact it occurs Republicans want to remove that ‘formality” , when our PM Liberal or Labor appoints a GG to a position within OUR Country , NO ONE outside our Country gets ‘consulted or advised” beforehand and a suitable sovereign ‘oz’ only replasement for that is not unreasonable Comment ?
Secondly th GG has enormous residual powers so position is not a fish & chips store keeper responsibility , they were used in 1975 to dismiss a democratic Government so they ar not academic , they ar reelso lets not pretend GG position is ceremonial alone Republicans believe whatever or however a Heead of State is appointed/elected , those GG proven reel residual powers warrant appontment by a PM without consulting a non ‘oz” resident Comment ?
Generic Person
“2. I accept what you’re saying but are you not concerned that scientists are subscribing to the AGW argument dogmatically? Chastising any opponents as morally contemptible?”
I never chastised you but having been ‘chastised’ myself by th hordes I now ‘unchastisable’ and unisultable so lets get to issue raised in your first sentence in 2. You did not answer my queston :
with th 3700 scientists on th IPPCC ,…what level of probability of there collective certainty of CC would be acceptable to you ?
3/ You also haven’t answered my queston in #200 can you tell me whether Crean , Latham or Rudd hav ever said they supported th intial invasion of Iraq by USA ?
GP did concede that he was wrong about Rudd supporting the Iraq war.
Ron
Clearly, the best reason to vote for Obama is that he is not Bush or a Republican.
McCain comes the closest of the Repugs to not being a Republican so he’s sort of in the race.
Finns
Obama is not an idiot, but I’ve always thought this “new politics” stuff was a load of crap. You win by showing you are the better candidate. Part of that is to highlight the weaknesses of your opposition. He’s been fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
Palin’s record on just about everything is terrible. She is grossly hypocritical and Obama needs to attack her for it. She’s up to her ears in pork, but is against pork. She’s championing disability, but cut special education programs by 60%. Her daughter is living proof that abstinence education is the reason the US has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the Western world. She flip-flopped on the Bridge. She raised taxes and put her town into $21M debt. The list goes on forever.
Diogenes,
That Palin contract is down to 4.1. Obama is down to 54.0 (and the debates still to come) on Intrade. Its over my friend – better get in now before it really goes bad with the start of the debates on 26 September.
On Climate Change, this thing is meant to be a national emergency, earth in the balance etc etc.
If that premise is true why is our Federal Government going to reduce emissions by 10% or 0.9% per annum? Is this profiles in courage?
No 212
Ron, I wasn’t accusing you of having chastised me, and nor was I trying to chastise you in my post. I was referring to the IPCC and the UN and other CC zealots that accuse sceptics or deniers of being morally contemptible. I find that an obscene argument for a group of scientists to make.
As for the 3700 scientists on the IPCC, I am still undecided. I am not a qualified scientist and thus I can’t make proper scientific arguments one way or another. But from what I have read, I am currently unconvinced that humans have enough understanding of how the climate works and the extent to which humans have influenced climactic patterns; and I am even less convinced that taxing the hell out of citizens to solve this “problem” is appropriate.
No 214
Diogenes, the fact is that Palin has actually been in government, made real decisions and takes responsibility for her decisions. Obama’s best claim to fame is heading a community organisation. Obama is in no position to criticise when he has even less experience.
12 years in senate legislature counts for nothing GP? I guess McCain is in trouble too then…
No 216
If we accept that AGW is a clear and present danger, anything Australia does unilaterally will not achieve anything. It is a global problem and unless there is a fruitful and binding global agreement that includes the USA, China and India; we may as well kiss our economy and living standards goodbye.
ESJ
Given that there is already a target of 20% renewable energy by 2020, Garnaut is basically saying we should do nothing.
No 221
Diogenes, are you intent on murdering our economy?
Did Labor vote Yes to go to war in Iraq
if I get all my news from in here, they didn’t
Didn’t Howard get his briefs from ASIO and the US
Just like Beasley with Rudd as foreign affairs minister
GP
Having less experience doesn’t mean you can’t criticise. It means that the criticism is a little easier to rebut but it can still be valid. I (or a journalist) can criticise Rudd, Palin, Bush or anyone and have a valid point which weakens their position without having been a politician.
Australia is responsible for 1% of global emissions, so nothing we do or fail to do is going to make much of a material difference. But it will make a POLITICAL difference, because it restores our international credibility on climate change, which was zero under the Howard denialist regime. We can therefore now argue credibly with the US, China and India that they must make serious cuts to emissions. Australia has a lot at stake here because we have an environment and thus an economy which will suffer more than most if the current predictions on climate change are correct. Now it may turn out that they are NOT correct, but that’s not a chance we can afford to take. I am agnostic on the science but very clear on the politics.
No 225
I accept that Adam, but frankly we should not be imposing egregious burdens on our economy that no other competing nation faces. All we are doing in shooting ourselves in the foot whilst competitors reap the rewards. I am adamant that if the Government truly believes action is necessary, then it should not impose burdens until an international agreement materialises.
But that is a circular argument. If no-one leads, no-one will follow. BECAUSE we have more at stake, we must take a leadership role, even if it carries short-term economic costs.
I might also add that the objectives of the ETS will be negated given that the government intends to compensate people and corporations for the cost burden.
This is why I am reluctant to place any support behind the issue. In my view, the government could achieve much more by earmarking billions from the surplus into Solar power stations and other renewables, removing the means test on the solar subsidy and other initiatives. At the moment, all we’re getting is a lot of bull and bluster about the “greatest moral challenge of our time”, yet nothing material has been achieved. If Labor truly is the party of climate change abatement, it should start putting its money where its mouth is.
Adam
Unfortunately, every nation will look after it’s own interests. And if someone asks the leader “What if everyone thought the same way you do?”, the answer will be Yossarian’s immortal reply “Then I’d be a damn fool to think any different.”
No 227
Sorry, but given the vital part that mining exports play in our economy, the economic-costs in the short term are significant.
Europe has been leading on this issue for some time, but even they have failed to make a dent in their emissions growth with an ETS. All it is doing is redistributing wealth like a de facto tax. So it is a meaningless platitude to pretend that Australia can lead the world, when others have already moved before us yet we are no closer to a global agreement.
No 229
“Unfortunately every nation will look after it’s own interests.”
Never a truer word spoken.
Generic Person
“Ron, I wasn’t accusing you of having chastised me, and nor was I trying to chastise you in my post. I was referring to the IPCC and the UN and other CC zealots that accuse sceptics or deniers of being morally contemptible. I find that an obscene argument for a group of scientists to make.
As for the 3700 scientists on the IPCC, I am still undecided. I am not a QUALIFIED scientist and thus I can’t make proper scientific arguments one way or another”
Generic Person , my qualifications ar year 11 unlike many here so thats no reel reason , we can all read & assess by selecting proven experts in a particulor discipline and excluding all others on that subject , then assessing objectively what they actualy say Otherwise I’d be quoting you one of your bastions of ‘right’ philosophies opinion that CC is manmade ^ reel….Uncle Rupert said unambigoously quote ‘th earth deserves th benefit of th doubt”
But I would never rely on Uncle Rupert for any arguments , just threw that in , what you should ask yourself is that these 3700 scientists ar UN , come from most Countries on globe , they ar best of best , science predictions is and cann’t be by definition 100% on a future event as complex as CC , AND any opinion those 3700 IPPCC would give therefore will lean on a ‘consevative basis and not a reckless basis , BUT there predictons those 3,700 from UN’s IPPCC
say 95% probability on CC being reeel , is manmade , is caused by CO2 etc , will cause temperature increase from 2 to 4 degrees , and list consequenses of that
95% probaility of cetinty is laymans terms 100% , now of course there ar CC deniers & some very minority of scientists outside IPPCC who disgree , BUT no one of them hav ever produiced 000’s of pages of scieentific data to suport there claims …resulting in a minority civilian CC deniers (in ‘oz’ per last Newspoll 3% , with 97% accepting CC) There is never 100% agreement about anything in life I note you hav not said you ar a CC denier but were unconvinced Perhaps you could go though th 000’s of pags of 2007 4th Report of IPPCC & make your own assessment or research that “27 square km ice berg’ that broke from Artic ice last month that previously ha been attached for 3, 000 years , yes 3,000 years or maybe take Uncle Ruperts advise
What I can tell you is that EACH of th 4 IPPCC Reports hav showwn a deteriorating CC picture , and latest intrim one in July 2008 on last ice age melting rates being quicker than previously estimated is worse news , there’s about 27 metres higgher world wide sea level contained in North alone
Ron, the most instructive piece I have read on Climate Change is that written by Don Aitkin in March this year:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/files/aitkin.pdf
Aitkin is particularly scathing of the IPCC and if what he says is accurate, it is cause for concern.
Diog, Obama is running a really pathetic campaign. What happens to the energy, excitement, optimism, hope, change for the better, new politics etc. He looks lost and so unsured. Obama is on Mogadan, sleep walking thru this campaign. And Biden? what has he done.
It is the Repugs that doing all the running, even “dead man walking” McCain has a new lease of life. From Crikey:
The latest polling on CC shows we are past the “Is it real? Yes/no it isn’t?” stage and we’re at the “What do we do now?” stage. Even the Libs except that, at least publicly.
McCain has got his convention bounce. Let’s watch it as it subsides and see how far it falls before we make any rash statements mmm?
No 236
Gary, if you read my comments prior to my mentioning of Aitkin, you’ll note that I have made statements as to what should be done.
As a side note: the polls also says that support for a republic has collapsed too.
Those who criticise the IPCC process almost invariably fail to also mention that virtually all the world’s major national and international scientific bodies and institutions have independently assessed and endorsed the IPCC reports.
I reckon you should repost 155, BBill.
If CC is such a serious issue why is the Labor Government going for a 10% target by 2020?
No 237
The more pertinent point is that Obama’s “bounce” lasted for but a couple of days. McCain/Palin have dominated media coverage for more than a week.
GP @ 233: That statement is a clearly designed troll antagonism.
This is a thread about Newspoll, not about various Anthropogenic Global Warming commentaries by miscellaneous political academics.
{Even the Libs except that, at least publicly.}
Sort of!!!! Latest Newspoll results on this issue.
{THE majority of Australians continue to endorse the Rudd Government’s approach to a carbon emissions trading scheme – even if it means higher costs for them.
Most people also endorse the plan to go ahead with an Australian trading scheme regardless of what other nations do, including the big greenhouse gas emitters India and China.
*****But a majority of Coalition supporters believe there should not be any trading scheme, or at least that Australia should wait until other countries introduce similar measures.}
{On the issue of carbon trading, 88 per cent of those surveyed saidAustralia should introduce acarbon reduction scheme, with 61 per cent saying it should happen regardless of what other countries did.
A clear majority, 58 per cent, said they would be prepared to pay more for energy as a result of a carbon trading scheme, although 50 per cent of Coalition voters were against paying more for petrol, electricity and gas. }
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24316293-11949,00.html
No 243
Andos, the polls have been virtually the same since December 2006. There’s nothing more to be said. Rudd is doing well.
And no, I was not trying to incite antagonism. I am perfectly entitled to voice my opinion just like everyone else. You just don’t like it because it doesn’t conform to the usual lefty circle jerks that often occur around these parts.
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Wan’t that just Garnaut’s view? I think the government is still to make a decision
The Republican convention and a major hurricane immediately followed the Democrat convention so it was unlikely Obama’s bounce would last long in short term national poll figures.
More coming out about the way in which Howard distributed larguess & favours to the favoured ones. Turnbull involved up to his neck too.
{JOHN Howard approved a $6.3 million grant to buy a Cape York property as a memorial to naturalist Steve Irwin, although the funding breached government guidelines.
Australia Zoo, which is owned by Irwin’s widow, Terri, should have contributed at least one-third of the cost of the Steve Irwin Wildlife Reserve under the guidelines.
However, the zoo was not asked by Canberra to contribute anything. }
{Mr Turnbull wrote to Mr Howard, suggesting a “one-off” grant of $6.3million in additional funding to the program be made due to the “special nature” of the proposal.
Mr Turnbull said funding under the reserve program for the property could not be provided without displacing approved acquisitions.
Mr Howard responded by giving approval for a “fitting memorial to Mr Irwin’s life and passionate contribution to the conservation of Australian wildlife”.
Mr Howard told Mr Turnbull to find the funds from existing departmental programs. }
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24316281-5013404,00.html
This could be the “get out of jail card” that the coal industry has been looking for.
{IT has been condemned as one of the main causes of global warming but is coal about to enjoy an extraordinary rebirth as the fuel of the future?
The first power plant in the world that will take the toxic emissions from coal and bury them deep in the ground opens today, carrying with it the hopes of scientists and environmentalists around the world.
If the power station in Spremberg, eastern Germany, is able to produce affordable electricity without polluting the atmosphere, it could mark the start of a new era for a fossil fuel whose days appeared numbered.
Carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology is designed to separate carbon dioxide from other chemicals during the process of generating electricity and siphon it off to be buried safely in disused oil or gas fields, where it can be stored indefinitely.
The construction of the new plant by Vattenfall, the Swedish power company, was welcomed by engineers and environmentalists but raised fears that British attempts to develop the technology, which is expected to cut CO2 emissions by up to 90 per cent, may be falling behind.
A competition has been launched by the British Government to encourage the construction of a demonstration coal-fired plant with a capacity of at least 300MW – ten times the size of the German pilot – by 2014. It must be capable of being fitted, or “retro-fitted”, to existing power plants.
However, a decision on the recipient of the government development money is still a year away and critics believe that Britain’s chance to dominate the sector is disappearing.
CCS has the potential not only to be a vital tool in controlling global warming but to win influence and numerous lucrative contracts around the world retro-fitting the technology. }
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24317781-11949,00.html
No 249
Unless you are an aged villainess like Germaine Greer, I think you’ll find barely anyone would care if money was spent on a Steve Irwin memorial. More partisan rancour from you ShowsOn. You are pathetic.
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