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Morgan leadership poll

Roy Morgan has published a phone poll of 544 respondents featuring a series of preferred leader questions. Main findings: Kevin Rudd leads Brendon Nelson 65-18 and Julia Gillard 49-21; Gillard favoured as best non-Rudd Labor leader over Swan 44-12; Peter Costello the favoured Liberal leader of 31 per cent, compared with 20 per cent for Malcolm Turnbull and 10 per cent Brendan Nelson.

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  1. 101
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Baked beans and Jam sandwiches Batman!

  2. 102
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Oh Brenda has a can of baked beans. :) Disgrace :)

  3. 103
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    An excellent speech by Nelson. Rudd is a disgrace for ignoring the opposition leader.

  4. 104
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh go people skills! What a fantastic parade.

  5. 105
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    The Member of Warringah is a great parliamentarian.

    The Member for Banks should be silenced.

  6. 106
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Go Jenny :)

  7. 107
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh Jenny is just awful.

  8. 108
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    LOL Wilson Tuckey – always reliable humour.

  9. 109
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Rudd is a disgrace for ignoring the opposition leader.

    Why? Everybody else in the country has…

  10. 110
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Oh dear, the surviving Coalition ex-ministers all voted against it in Cabinet last year.

    And their much vaunted bill? Nowhere to be seen.

    Bunch of grandstanding amateurs. They will never be taken seriously until they learn the Parliament is there for more than stunts and frivolous points of order.

  11. 111
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    BB

    On Cossie, in the words of Nietzsche;

    “And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss looks also into you.”

    Cossie has been contemplating that abyss since Mrs Howard said “No” during APEC.

  12. 112
    Judith Barnes
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    thanks ruawake, i have it playing but i’m getting an echo effect with the speech, is that normal, it makes it hard to follow

  13. 113
    Judith Barnes
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    oh oh! i just worked it out i had media player running as well, gawd how dumb am i !!!!!

  14. 114
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Can someone give Brenda a bit of coaching on Parliamentary proceedure. :)

    Today is the 2nd time he has failed to present a motion properly, last time Truss got him out of the mess. This time Albanese was soft on him.

    The non-existent bill is another issue, come on Fibs you are in opposition, get used to it.

  15. 115
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    No 114

    Albanese is a dolt.

  16. 116
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    GP, you undermine your credibility here by such naked partisanship. Just going “my guys are brilliant and your guys are dolts” is not going to persuade anyone of anything.

  17. 117
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    It’s also the kind of comment that’s going to get deleted from now on.

  18. 118
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Move on please, GP – The Management

  19. 119
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    It’s a trifle snobbish…

  20. 120
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    The reflection is really on Joe Hockey as leader of opposition business, People Skills would be a better choice, at least he knows proceedures. :)

  21. 121
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    So has it all been about pensioners so far?

  22. 122
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    No 120

    No, Bronny is superior to them all. :D

  23. 123
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Dario

    Govt questions were mostly about housing affordabilty and the new guidelines released today.

    Opposition questions were all pensioner related.

  24. 124
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    GP

    Bronny has never recovered from not being made Speaker.

  25. 125
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    No 123

    I think Dorothy Dixers should be abolished such that QT is not consumed by self-aggrandisement.

  26. 126
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    No 124

    I think David Hawker was brilliant nonetheless. A record number of expulsions for unparliamentary rabble from the ALP. :D

  27. 127
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    I think Dorothy Dixers should be abolished such that QT is not consumed by self-aggrandisement.

    Well Johnny had 12 years to get rid of it…

  28. 128
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    No 127

    Rudd has not been any quicker Dario.

  29. 129
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Hawker was the weakest Speaker I have seen in nearly 40 years of listening to / watching Parliament. Even worse than Leo McLeay, though not as unpleasant.

  30. 130
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    No 129

    I disagree. The Parliament is a superior institution thanks to his service.

  31. 131
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Rudd has not been any quicker Dario

    After 10 months? Oh please. The Libs will just have to suck it up and get used to copping exactly what they dished out while they were in office if they weren’t willing to make any reforms themselves.

  32. 132
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    The Parliament is a superior institution thanks to his service

    I don’t think ’service’ and Hawker belong in the same sentence

  33. 133
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    GP

    Jenkins has made it clear that he will not tolerate certain types of questions, today he ruled part of a Govt question out of order.

    Did Hawker ever do this? NO. :)

  34. 134
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Now you’re just being silly GP. When you are in good form you say some intelligent things here, but when you are just midlessly partisan you’re not worth commenting on.

    Howard just walked all over Hawker, and you could see every day how he resented it, but he was too weak to do anything about it. Andrew was a bit better, Sinclair much better.

  35. 135
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    No 133

    For good reason. The then Government’s questions were always in order. :D

  36. 136
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    quote]Well Johnny had 12 years to get rid of it…[/quote

    Does Dorothy Dix vote? She would have only been interesting to Howard if she was a member of a target demographic.

    He had the pensioners all sewn up and thus didn’t need to bribe them. That was the message of today’s Question Time.

    Poor old buggers, they loved Howard but now we know he (and most of the rest of his Cabinet) continually turned down extra benefits for pensioners recommended by the responsible cabinet ministers. The Coalition’s case is thus a complicated one.

    In order to get over the line they need to establish that the stress on pensioners is new, as a result of pressure from petrol and grocery prices, which in turn (they have to argue) are entirely down to Rudd’s alleged “incompetence.” So not only is Rudd incompetent (in their minds) but he is also callous about it, preferring to run committees rather than get on with the job of pork barreling, like they [i]didn’t do[/i], at least for pensioners. See what I mean Complicated.

    Complicated, that is, by the fact that 65% of the voters think he’s doing a great job and 56% want to vote for him, poll after poll, time after time.

  37. 137
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    No 134

    Come on Adam, the shameless partisanship from those of ALP persuasion on this blog has been relentless. I don’t see you exercising the same critical eye, though.

  38. 138
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    What’s the HTML tag around here GT and LT signs or square brackets? Looks like my “quote” got accepted but the HTML tags weren’t deleted.

    Crikey!

  39. 139
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    No 136

    The Coalition is forced to go into battle on these issues in order to attempt to get some momentum. It isn’t working for the precise reason that Macklin stated: we had 12 years to do something about it. That’s the only time I will agree with the ALP.

  40. 140
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    BB, just put a single pair of square brackets around an entire quote and it will be picked up

  41. 141
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    It will be at least a year before the Opposition can get up and bleat about the pensioners without inviting the immediate response, “what did you do about it?” That’s just the political fact. Beazley had the same problem in 1997.

  42. 142
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    The problem for Brenda is he wimped it.

    He should have pinched all of the Greens policy on pensions not just a teeny weeny bit of it.

    While he may be the hero of 800,000 single aged pensioners he has pissed off 2.2 million other pensioners.

    Not smart politics when the 800,000 vote for you anyway. :)

  43. 143
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    No 142

    Pensions should be abolished actually, if he was really running a line of small government and self-responsibility.

  44. 144
    Dario
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Not smart politics when the 800,000 vote for you anyway

    and when plenty are dying off every year

  45. 145
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    The Greens have a policy on pensions? What is it? Free tofu for all?

  46. 146
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    GP

    So logic would say that income tax should also be abolished, given that it was introduced to pay for the old age pension.

    What would the company tax rate need to be? 65% sounds fair to me. :)

  47. 147
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Dario.

    BTW, while we are here fiddling, New York (or at least the banking sector of it, and hence the world) is burning. Seems Lehmann laid off their mortgage based securities with just about every governmental and financial institution in the world, including many Australian councils and other investors.

    They’re saying in serious newspapers this could be the Big One.

  48. 148
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    No 145

    LOL. The Greens believe everything should be free, that everyone should be taxed to oblivion and forget about jobs. A most ridiculous excuse for a party if there ever was one.

  49. 149
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    No 146

    28% is about the world average. Ours is thus too high.

  50. 150
    Posted Monday, September 15, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Something GP and I agree on :)

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