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The longest day

UPDATE (9.30pm): Liberals win Nedlands by 987 votes.

UPDATE (9pm): Janet Woollard wins Alfred Cove by 405 votes. Liberals win Morley by 340. Labor wins Collie-Preston by 411. Labor wins Kwinana by 300. Only Nedlands to go, where the Liberals are believed to be home and hosed.

UPDATE (3pm): Alan Carpenter resigns as Labor leader.

UPDATE (11.30am): Nationals back the Liberals. Colin Barnett the new Premier.

UPDATE (11am): Brendon Grylls to hold press conference at 11.30am.

Perth’s Sunday Times newspaper brings a remarkable account of yesterday’s deliberations by the WA Nationals’ state parliamentary party, which met to decide who it would back to form government. Appearing under the headline: “DONT YOU DARE: Nats’ boss last-ditch plea to stop WA Labor marriage”, the report by Joe Spagnolo relates that federal leader Warren Truss made a “last-ditch plea” to talk state leader Brendon Grylls out of “a shock alliance with Labor”. Agricultural region upper house MP Max Trenorden, a known opponent of any deal with Labor, is quoted saying: “I am not going to say whether I am happy with the decision or not, but I’m certainly not going to commit suicide over it.” We will find out what that means exactly later today, after the parliamentary party puts its recommendation to the state council.

The Nationals’ endgame comes as the Western Australian Electoral Commission spends the weekend conducting preference counts in 11 seats designated as in doubt. The big news from the six counts conducted yesterday was that Labor retained Albany by a surprisingly comfortable 96 votes, while falling 64 votes short in Riverton. In North West, the Nationals fell 67 votes short of overtaking the Liberals in the second last count and taking the seat from Labor with their preferences, the final result being a 719 vote (6.9 per cent) Labor win over Liberal. Also determined were Forrestfield (Labor by 98 votes), Wanneroo (Liberal by 322) and Pilbara (Labor by 534).

Of the five seats to be counted today, two are genuinely in doubt: Alfred Cove, which the Liberals might recover from two-term independent member Janet Woollard, and Kwinana, where Labor has been gaining on independent front-runner Carol Adams in late counting. This puts the numbers at Labor 27, Liberal 24, Nationals four, independents two and two in doubt. The two confirmed independents are both in the orbit of another party: Churchlands MP Liz Constable has been promised a position in a Liberal cabinet, while Kalgoorlie MP John Bowler has resolved to work in concert with the Nationals. Nonetheless, any Liberal-Nationals arrangement will have to rely on the support of one or possibly two independents to maintain a majority in the lower house, whereas Labor plus the Nationals will equal a clear majority.

It’s the opposite story in the upper house, through which any Royalties for Regions deal would also need to navigate. While final seats remain in varying degree of doubt in all regions except North Metropolitan, the Liberals appear certain to win 16 seats out of 36 while Labor can hope for no more than 13, and are more likely to win 11. With the Nationals looking at five or six seats, the support of the Greens would probably be needed to pass a Labor-Nationals scheme that was opposed by the Liberals.

524 Comments

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  1. 251
    Robin of Redesdale
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Carpenter did achieve getting rid of a lot of the panama hat brigade. It will be interesting to see what Barnett does when publicly confronted with similar problems.

  2. 252
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    wonder how upset grylls is and how long before troubles boil to the surface.

  3. 253
    juliem
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    If one wants to read the deadwood version of news in Perth, what is the best choice for a Labor voter? Thanks, I already know to steer clear of the West, and the Australian isn’t much better.

  4. 254
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    No 248

    The first thing he should do is to rule out any weakening of the power of the CCC.

  5. 255
    mr orange
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    No 251……..I agree, that way we’ll get to see this vacuous Liberal Govt come unstuck through its dealings with Burke and NCB. The sooner the better i reckon.

  6. 256
    The Dark Knight
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know when the ALP caucus meets next?

  7. 257
    schnitzel
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Is Geraldton a problem seat now – any scrutineers????

  8. 258
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    schnitzel

    Blayney won Grealton in a canter – unless something seriously screwy has happened, which I doubt.

  9. 259
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    No 255

    That would be hard. The Liberal Party hasn’t had a cabinet for the last 8 years who has been leaking to Brian Burke.

  10. 260
    Cerdic Conan
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    One Labor Government down, eight more to go. They’re going to topple like nine pins. It’s going to be fun to watch!

  11. 261
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Let’s hope there are similar results in the ACT. Stanhope is a disgrace.

  12. 262
    mr orange
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    No 259…..try behaviour like reading out speeches in parliament written by Burke/NCB and Co on behalf of their clients. Ring a bell?? Sounds like abuse of their position in parliament to me……

    They also seemed to have had regular access to sensitive/leaked public service documents when it suited their political agenda….doesnt that wiff of inappropriate behaviour to you?? No I dont suppose it does now that they’re in Govt.

    Pots n kettles.

  13. 263
    Cerdic Conan
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    261 – agreed. Stanhope is the most appalling government leader anywhere in Australia.Truly a disgrace. I think he will be a goner, thank goodness. So says Cerdic Conan.

  14. 264
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    No 262

    Mr Orange, Labor lost, stop complaining.

  15. 265
    Diogenes
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Robin
    “Carpenter did achieve getting rid of a lot of the panama hat brigade.”

    You are kidding right? Carpenter was the one who let his Party get back into bed with Burke. It was just about the first decision he made when he took over as leader. One could even speculate that the two events were linked in some way. ;)

  16. 266
    mr orange
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    No 262….GP. Fact No.1 Labor lost…… Fact No.2 The Libs DIDNT win. See you at the CCC. LOL!!!

  17. 267
    mr orange
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    p.s…..where have all you Tory’s been for the last 10 months?!?!? Its beens quiet without you :)

  18. 268
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    A liberal win in the ACT, now that is a fantasy. :)

  19. 269
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    No 268

    I don’t think so. Stanhope is on the nose.

  20. 270
    juliem
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    GP and Cerdic Conan,

    Do you live in the ACT? Or were you just expressing your opinions of Stanhope? (perfectly fine, but if you live in the ACT you’ve more of a basis to judge)

  21. 271
    Cerdic Conan
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    The great Labor rollback has begun, and the ACT will be next. It’s interesting that Mr. Rudd’s much vaunted wall-to-wall Labor Government regime that was going to ‘end the blame’ and produce unprecedented cooperation between governments and all sorts of wonderful outcomes for Australia has only taken less than 10 motnhs to crack apart. It’s all downhill for Labor from here on in. So says Cerdic Conan.

  22. 272
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    No 270

    I travel there a few times a year, I’ve met Zed and Giulia, so I think I’m qualified to have an opinion. You’re a Labor voter, you wouldn’t care about what I said anyway.

  23. 273
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    No 271

    The whole idea of co-operative federalism is an affront to the whole notion of federations.

  24. 274
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    GP, why do you think cooperative federalism is an affront to the whole notion of federations?

  25. 275
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Here we go, the smart alec conservative supporter. At least Glen keeps his feet on the ground.

  26. 276
    Elf Rules
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    LOL @ Mr Orange

    It certainly looks like Col won to me……………

  27. 277
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Had Grylls backed Labor we wouldn’t be hearing a sound from Cerdic.
    GP and Glen would probably be still around.

  28. 278
    Elf Rules
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    The Nats were just playing with Carpenters feelings before they dealt the SLEDGEHAMMER BLOW……nasty blighters eh what?

  29. 279
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    No 274

    Because federations are made up of independent states, the idea behind which is to have competition between each state and decentralised power.

    Co-operative federalism simply makes the states an arm of the federal government.

  30. 280
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    In your opinion what are Stanhope’s chances Juliem?

  31. 281
    juliem
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    272, always curious as to how the other guys form their opinions, that helps me to know where you are coming from. I can respect a Tory opinion if I know it is reasonably grounded, even if I don’t agree with it. :)

  32. 282
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t Labor win the NT election?

  33. 283
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    No 281

    Fair enough. Ditto vice versa.

  34. 284
    mr orange
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    #276 Elf…….nort sure how winning less seats in the LA than the ALP means the Libs won?!?!?

    Next you’ll be telling me that “Crazy Col” has a mandate….thats when I really will LOL.

    Cant wait the next next election in two years :)

  35. 285
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    The likely result in the ACT is:

    Brindabella – Lab 3 – Lib 2
    Gininderra – Lab 3 – Lib 2
    Molonglo – Lab 3 – Lib 2 – Green 2

    So says an ex Canberra Grammar Boy. :)

  36. 286
    A-C
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Well, so much for “co-operative federalism” and “ending the blame game”.

    Didn’t take too long before Australian’s decided they didn’t like what they saw, did it?

  37. 287
    juliem
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Well, overall, I can’t say. But on the south side of Canberra (I live in Tuggeranong area, Chisholm specifically), I think he will be fine :) . I base that opinion on the fact that whenever I’ve been out and about shopping over the winter and have seen the pollies out on “meet and greet” missions at the shopping centers, the Libs have a hard time getting voters to listen to them at all. In addition, I was at a family function at one of the military bases in late July and one of the Libs was campaigning there handing out her flyers and so on. People went out of their way to avoid her and when they couldn’t, they chucked her stuff in the bin afterwards when she wasn’t looking ……

  38. 288
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Ah, A-C – the conservatives are out in force.

  39. 289
    Cerdic Conan
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    282 – Labor did win in the NT, but only by 50 votes after a huge swing against them. The CLP only had a couple of seats in the NT Parliament prior to the election, so it was very difficult for them to translate a huge swing into an actual victory. The fact that they came within 50 votes of achieving it shows that voters are now prepared to turf out Labor Governments right across our great nation. So says Cerdic Conan.

  40. 290
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    A-C

    Australian’s? WA is 9.9% of Australia by population, 14% by Gross State Product.

    I think you are drawing a long bow with that term. :)

  41. 291
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    No 287

    Grassroots campaigns are always difficult. You can’t tell me that the ALP hasn’t had similar experiences. People want to get on with their shopping, not talk about politics.

  42. 292
    juliem
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    William, how soon can we get an ACT election thread ? ;-) ….. then we can migrate our ACT chat there …..

  43. 293
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Full marks for Allen Carpenters dignity as he susseeds power to his political opponent!

  44. 294
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    So some of our smart alec friends may be a little disappointed then with any luck Juliem with any luck. I must admit though they haven’t had much to crow about lately.
    To be honest I don’t see Qld going LNP next time and I think Victorian Labor will hang on. NSW is a lost cause, Rann should scrape back and Tasmania is an unknown.

  45. 295
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    No 293

    What did you expect him to do? Hold parliament house under siege?

  46. 296
    Elf Rules
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Poor Mr Orange….not understandee the politicee

    Captain Col now has the Premiership, therefore he has the power, therefore he WON! This is what politics is all about. Carps can cry all he likes about winning more seats (although he actually won less popular votes) but it is the party that can form Government who wins. Always has been.

    re Mandates…….. this is labor terminology and thinking. Once again …… Liberal thinking is, we WON therfore we CAN!

  47. 297
    Cerdic Conan
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    294 – a nonsensical analysis. Labor is gone everywhere. People have just had a gutful of them.

  48. 298
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    But I’m sure you would agree Cerdic Conan, a win is a win. At least Labor has the majority of seats in the NT.

  49. 299
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Cerdic Conan – you wouldn’t know. What to you base that absurd statement on?

  50. 300
    Cerdic Conan
    Posted Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    298 – yes, Labor won in the NT. However, they will lose next time ….

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