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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192216</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RUMPOLECCAT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192205</link>
		<dc:creator>RUMPOLECCAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Required:

Rumpole stands chastised.  Rog is a very decent bloke, ive known him for over 23 years!!.  However the deal done by the missos and sda totally sucks.  If anything it could set up rog as a fall guy if things dont go according to plan.  I believe Roger has made a blunder by accepting the deal.  It would have been far wiser to cement his reputation in the electorate and develop a profile rather than agree to this arrangement.  He&#039;s a big boy and its his decision.  However you cant tell me that in the current caucus we couldnt find an existing member that could undertake the deputy position.  Its really an insult to the rest of caucus and a total slap in the face to Allanah who should have been given an opportunity to lead.  As for Rumpys faction not having the numbers, Im afraid my faction endorsed the deal!!!  Roger has the potential to be a future leader in his own right in time.  He didnt need to play this game, it does him or the party no good indeed.</description>
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<p>Rumpole stands chastised.  Rog is a very decent bloke, ive known him for over 23 years!!.  However the deal done by the missos and sda totally sucks.  If anything it could set up rog as a fall guy if things dont go according to plan.  I believe Roger has made a blunder by accepting the deal.  It would have been far wiser to cement his reputation in the electorate and develop a profile rather than agree to this arrangement.  He&#8217;s a big boy and its his decision.  However you cant tell me that in the current caucus we couldnt find an existing member that could undertake the deputy position.  Its really an insult to the rest of caucus and a total slap in the face to Allanah who should have been given an opportunity to lead.  As for Rumpys faction not having the numbers, Im afraid my faction endorsed the deal!!!  Roger has the potential to be a future leader in his own right in time.  He didnt need to play this game, it does him or the party no good indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192198</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[… because the Liberals will win the ensuing by-election.]

Are you sure about that ? I reckon Bowler only won it because of his high personal vote, and because it now includes a large part of Eyre, there would be a high ALP/Indiginous Vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>… because the Liberals will win the ensuing by-election.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you sure about that ? I reckon Bowler only won it because of his high personal vote, and because it now includes a large part of Eyre, there would be a high ALP/Indiginous Vote.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192185</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... because the Liberals will win the ensuing by-election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; because the Liberals will win the ensuing by-election.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192154</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[[And if the CCC make an adverse finding against Bowler, it will be deadlocked at 28/28 ] said Frank Calabrese @ 131

It seems to me that there would be a very high likelihood of an adverse finding being made against Bowler by the CCC.

However how does this change the numbers in parliament? An adverse finding does not represent a criminal conviction. Is there something to preclude people with an adverse CCC finding being MPs?]

And if the findings force Bowler tyo resign from Parliament, it will affect the numbers :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[[And if the CCC make an adverse finding against Bowler, it will be deadlocked at 28/28 ] said Frank Calabrese @ 131</p>
<p>It seems to me that there would be a very high likelihood of an adverse finding being made against Bowler by the CCC.</p>
<p>However how does this change the numbers in parliament? An adverse finding does not represent a criminal conviction. Is there something to preclude people with an adverse CCC finding being MPs?]</p>
<p>And if the findings force Bowler tyo resign from Parliament, it will affect the numbers <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: required</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192147</link>
		<dc:creator>required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rumpoleccat, I thought cats had 9 lives, not 9 faces....  Cook&#039;s &quot;talented and decent&quot; one day, &quot;boy blunder&quot; 5 days later (because someone associated with a large union supported him for the position).

Sounds like somebody&#039;s sub-faction didn&#039;t have the numbers in caucus and rumpole needs to SUCK IT UP BABY.  That&#039;s politics darling.  Meooowwwwww.

&quot;Posted Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 7:56 pm &#124; Permalink
hmmm the alp’s new dynamic duo fatman and the boy blunder. Oh dear oh dear.

451.	 rumpoleccat
Posted Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 4:32 pm &#124; Permalink
its a shame really for the people of kwinana because roger cook is actually a really talented and decent guy. He’s been a champion of indigenous causes and has got a well developed sense of justice, not to mention that a guy of his talent would be guaranteed a ministry. Lets hope for the sake of the people of kwinana he falls over the line.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rumpoleccat, I thought cats had 9 lives, not 9 faces&#8230;.  Cook&#8217;s &#8220;talented and decent&#8221; one day, &#8220;boy blunder&#8221; 5 days later (because someone associated with a large union supported him for the position).</p>
<p>Sounds like somebody&#8217;s sub-faction didn&#8217;t have the numbers in caucus and rumpole needs to SUCK IT UP BABY.  That&#8217;s politics darling.  Meooowwwwww.</p>
<p>&#8220;Posted Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink<br />
hmmm the alp’s new dynamic duo fatman and the boy blunder. Oh dear oh dear.</p>
<p>451.	 rumpoleccat<br />
Posted Wednesday, September 10, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink<br />
its a shame really for the people of kwinana because roger cook is actually a really talented and decent guy. He’s been a champion of indigenous causes and has got a well developed sense of justice, not to mention that a guy of his talent would be guaranteed a ministry. Lets hope for the sake of the people of kwinana he falls over the line.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stunned Mullet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192143</link>
		<dc:creator>Stunned Mullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[And if the CCC make an adverse finding against Bowler, it will be deadlocked at 28/28 ] said Frank Calabrese @ 131

It seems to me that there would be a very high likelihood of an adverse finding being made against Bowler by the CCC.

However how does this change the numbers in parliament? An adverse finding does not represent a criminal conviction. Is there something to preclude people with an adverse CCC finding being MPs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[And if the CCC make an adverse finding against Bowler, it will be deadlocked at 28/28 ] said Frank Calabrese @ 131</p>
<p>It seems to me that there would be a very high likelihood of an adverse finding being made against Bowler by the CCC.</p>
<p>However how does this change the numbers in parliament? An adverse finding does not represent a criminal conviction. Is there something to preclude people with an adverse CCC finding being MPs?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam in Canberra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192124</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam in Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When is Barnett naming his Cabinet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is Barnett naming his Cabinet?</p>
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		<title>By: wayne thompson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-192085</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{Yes, you can certainly add “he should have gone earlier” to my list of factors. However, that’s independent of much of the rest of what I’m hearing. Evan asks an interesting question for which I don’t have a ready answer. Here’s one theory: the Nationals provided an outlet for disaffected Labor voters who then returned their preferences to Labor, whereas city voters just went straight for the Liberals.}

William,
In all honesty, I think the biggest &#039;strategic&#039; mistake that the Carpenter Government made in this election was to try and pinch a major part of the Greens vote and/or preferences via the late election campaign decision to ban Uranium Mining and deter GM crops. They knew they were in trouble and they knew they would be punished at the ballot box. But they had no idea how severe it was going to prove to be and hence they thought the protest vote would predominantly go the Greens whereby Labor thought they could still get the vote by improving the preference flow percentage from the perceived strong stand taken in what will always be more of a hard-line Greens anti-U and GM policy. The scare tactics were bound to fail eventually because we are dealing with a much more educated electorate in this day and age and the old vote-winning conspiracy theories just aren&#039;t working the way they used to. Labor and Carpenter were hence left looking second rate,
arrogant and uneducated courtesy of The West, amongst others. Just served to show that  the Labor think tank had run bone-dry and that they had nothing more positive to stand on in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{Yes, you can certainly add “he should have gone earlier” to my list of factors. However, that’s independent of much of the rest of what I’m hearing. Evan asks an interesting question for which I don’t have a ready answer. Here’s one theory: the Nationals provided an outlet for disaffected Labor voters who then returned their preferences to Labor, whereas city voters just went straight for the Liberals.}</p>
<p>William,<br />
In all honesty, I think the biggest &#8217;strategic&#8217; mistake that the Carpenter Government made in this election was to try and pinch a major part of the Greens vote and/or preferences via the late election campaign decision to ban Uranium Mining and deter GM crops. They knew they were in trouble and they knew they would be punished at the ballot box. But they had no idea how severe it was going to prove to be and hence they thought the protest vote would predominantly go the Greens whereby Labor thought they could still get the vote by improving the preference flow percentage from the perceived strong stand taken in what will always be more of a hard-line Greens anti-U and GM policy. The scare tactics were bound to fail eventually because we are dealing with a much more educated electorate in this day and age and the old vote-winning conspiracy theories just aren&#8217;t working the way they used to. Labor and Carpenter were hence left looking second rate,<br />
arrogant and uneducated courtesy of The West, amongst others. Just served to show that  the Labor think tank had run bone-dry and that they had nothing more positive to stand on in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/15/hat-safe-trumpet-blown/comment-page-5/#comment-191933</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Sour grapes, Frank?]

Just stating the facts as reported :-) You will find a lot of people who did vote for the Libs, are those who take advantage of this scheme :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sour grapes, Frank?</p></blockquote>
<p>Just stating the facts as reported <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  You will find a lot of people who did vote for the Libs, are those who take advantage of this scheme <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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