As most of you would be aware by now, Malcolm Turnbull has won the Liberal leadership after defeating Brendan Nelson 45 votes to 41. Nelson won the post-election vote 45 votes to 42: not sure where the missing vote went (UPDATE: Kevin Andrews was overseas and didn’t vote – hat-tip to Dovif in comments).
Also:
• The latest weekly Essential Research survey has Labor’s lead back at 58-42 after a fortnight at 59-41. Also included are questions on approval of Kevin Rudd, the future of the Coalition and federalism.
• Peter Brent asks what became of the government’s green paper on disclosure, funding and expenditure issues, which was due in July.
• The Australian Electoral Commission has published comments on objections to the redistribution of Western Australian electorates.
• Bryan’s back.
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dovif
Every Lib will say they voted for the winner.
The chances of that are Buckley’s and none
“The polling data to prove my point is available on http://www.norepublic.com.au.”
And as has been proven, you can structure a poll to get any result you want.
“Are you happy with the additional cost to the Australian taxpayer of becoming a Republic? – YES/NO
“Do you think Australia needs the extra tier of Government? – YES/NO
“Would you trust an Australian Politician to be head of state? – YES/NO
“Do you think Australia benefits from its close ties to the UK? – YES/NO
“Do you think Australia becoming a Republic would affect your day-to-day life in any way? – YES/NO
“Do you support Australia becoming a Republic? – YES/NO”
QED.. as Bernard Woolley might say.
Philofsydney @ 445: Yes, that does rather explain it. I didn’t actually realise that both Coalition parties elected the Liberal leader.
I didn’t think they did William? The Liberal Party elects its leader, who in is endorsed by the join party-room sitting as Leader of the Opposition. The libs don’t have a vote on the National leader do they?
Another Howard Minister has taken off, in the Senate though so no new election. Have to wonder whether it was Turnbull related…
Senator Chris Ellison quites
dovif
Thanks for that. When your credit rating gets downgraded, why do they put up your interest rates? Aren’t you pushing a country down a slippery slope by doing that? Is there any chance the US credit rating will be downgraded?
While a significant portion of the Liberal Party continues not to believe in climate change, Turnball will be hamstrung if he wants to do any sort of deal with Bob Brown.
I find it amazing that the Nationals would vote for leader of the Liberal Party. It was one of the points disputed at the formation of the Pineapple Party in Queensland that the merger meant the Nationals could now vote in the Federal Liberal Party leader.
Yeah, the nats don’t get a say.
The libs have 55 seats in the HOR and the 32 seats in Senate. Which makes for 87.
There were 86 votes, which raises the question as to who didn’t vote…? Maybe Chris Ellison abstained. More likely somebody wasn’t there.
As for why the number of votes differed from last time… this time twelve months ago the Coalition had 39 seats in the Senate remember. Only have 37 now. That would probably account for it.
Russia seems to be struggling with the whole capitalism thing. The share market tanked 17% and they suspended trading. Emergency talks commenced.
Russia halts trading after 17% share price fall
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ff9306c-83f1-11dd-bf00-000077b07658.html
In terms of numbers, i believe also some members voted when their seats were still in doubt, and have since been turfed out.
Wow, that’s a huge fall. They must have some heavy connections to the US problems to be hit that hard.
Okay, I’m wrong about being wrong then. I did a quick calculation – obviously too quick – which I thought added up to Libs plus Nats MPs equalling roughly the number of votes cast.
Energy prices have been hit very hard, which explains the Russian market’s collapse. This throws the Russian resurgence we were hearing so much about a month or so ago into a new light.
BUT … this is off-topic. Can anyone wishing to discuss it please direct it to the US thread, which is pretty much a de facto anything-goes thread.
The interesting question is – which party room do the Qld Libnats or Natlibs now sit in? If they are a single party, do they get to go to both partyrooms?
I read in Crikey that Chris Ellison has announced his retirement. Interesting that he should do so just after the WA election. Presumably the number four Senate candidate from the election would get first dibs on the casual vacancy – but that’s Michael Mischin, and he’s just been elected to the state upper house. For what it’s worth, the number five candidate was one Jane Mouritz.
I have been wondering what the NSW Labor Party is worry about? Health? Police? Hospital? The S-late Rail?
I found out
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/how-lowe-can-you-go/2008/09/17/1221330870702.html
Dovif, Ruawake, Diogenes,
Taxes in the US are on several levels. I believe that the question one of you asked was referring to the GST equivielent there. That would be what is called the sales tax. Sales taxes are the domain of the state and/or local (city, county) areas. Each state (with possible expection of Deleware and/or Vermont; really dredging up the cobwebs here) has them. Because they are state controlled and set taxes, they are usually different from one state to another. Taxes at the local level you usually don’t see unless you’ve got a big city and they are needing to raise revenue. Problem with cutting these taxes is twofold therefore; 1. since the Fed. government doesn’t set them, they can’t cut them and 2. even if they had some facility to encourage states to cut them [this has been done with some sucess with road monies in the past; i.e force states to raise the drinking age to 21 or they withhold road repair funds], since the amounts vary so wildly, the net affect would vary just as wildly. The feds in the US have much more control over things like income taxes for example which are federally set. [I'll note here too for those who haven't travelled to the US and don't know this (just an aside to the issue of taxes) that they are NOT incorporated into the price of the items as you see here in Australia. That is because they vary so wildly]
It’s not done by countback William – the WA Libs can nominate anyone they like.
465 Adam, that is what Barnaby Joyce was saying a while ago. He can choose which party room meeting he attends and can help elect a liberal leader if he wants to because the merged party has taken over the Queennsland division of the Liberal Party of Australia.
Diogenes, if you might have trouble repaying the loan, they will charge a higher interest rate. I know this increase the odds of not repaying the loan, but that is how credit ratings works.
US has a bigger economy than Australia, so it is more difficult. But if they continue to spend so much on War/Mulitary/Buy out of Banks and Insurance companies? They definitely can, The US$ had depreciated against other currencies for a while now, that is why
One of the Lib senators was overseas and was not available for vote, he was a Turnbull supporter in Nelson Vs Turnbull death match 1
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/ambush-that-ended-in-tears/2008/09/16/1221330837124.html?page=2
Kevin Andrews was overseas and did not vote
Good work, Dovif.
Oh Dear, so Brough took a proposal to the Howard cabinet last year wanting a $30.00 increase in pensions and it was voted down by his cabinet colleges.
Perhaps Deidre Willmott’s tenure as Barnett’s Chief of Staff will be shortlived? Not bad if she could swing it….candidate to nothing to Chief of Staff to Senator!
Re: Ellison Quitting…
Perhaps this is the last piece of the deal that saw the WA Libs talk their original candidate for Cottesloe out of standing to make way for Barnett pre election.
Senator Wilmott coming through.
Viva la Republique I think that is more than probable. How fortuitous that the Liberals are in the WA parliament to make that decision.
I think the constitution dictates it has to be from the same political party anyway Steve…
from Section 15:
Where a vacancy has at any time occurred in the place of a senator chosen by the people of a State and, at the time when he was so chosen, he was publicly recognised by a particular political party as being an endorsed candidate, a person chosen or appointed under this section in consequence of that vacancy, or in consequence of that vacancy and a subsequent vacancy or vacancies, shall, unless there is no member of that party available to be chosen or appointed, be a member of that party.
If Labor had won the WA election they would of course endorse whomever the WA Libs nominated for the casual vacancy.
Yes, Senator Fields and the flying peanut put an end to picking someone not of the same party.
Missing vote would be Sophie Mirabella – she’s still on family leave, I think.
Albert Field was a very special case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Field
No 420
The Queen is not our head of state.
GP, so why the flag of the country of the Queen as your gravatar?
The Union Jack is on the Australian flag as well.
420 GP, but her representative is, you are splitting hairs / heirs
No 485
Her representative, the Governor-General and Head of State, is Australian and has been since 1965.
GP some of us do not care what David Smith and Constitutional Monarchists believe and
want a different system. OK?
The Parliament consists of the Queen and two Houses (the Senate and the House of Representatives). These three elements make Australia a constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy.
When Oakshot was sworn in today he swore allegiance to The Queen her heirs and successors.
He did not swear allegiance to Quentin.
GP,
The Queen is the ultimate head of state under the Constitution –
s 1 – ‘The legislative power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Federal Parliament, which shall consist of the Queen..’
Yes, the Queen appoints a GG, but the GG is her representative. The Queen is our ultimate head of state.
GP just dislikes the thought of having to change his gravatar again on the day we become a republic.
Can anyone figure out what Turnbull was trying to do in QT today? Trying to make some obscure point about the A-Gs comments on a terror trial?
Bizarre.
ruawake I think he is about to name a shadow cabinet full of Liberal lawyers and is trying to justify the need for lawyers. It reminds me of the old Bond Corp board which was exclusively lawyers and accountants till the company went belly-up.
I will give Talcum the benefit of the doubt – he is still trying to pick his “A” Team.
But if yesterday and today is how his tactics committee want to play the QT game he is gone.
SNIP: Adam, GP is currently on his best behaviour or else, so I think it prudent of me to remove comments which he could reasonably feel justified in sniping back at. – The Management
So far the performance of Bully at QT has been very poor and he looked bored.
And on the number of Qs on the AG comments on a terror trial. For goodness sake, how many comments were made by the Howard Govt on the Haneef case. What a bunch of hypocrites.
GP
Even if i wasn’t a republican, I really don’t want “King Tampon the First” as our next head of state – that fact that he wanted to be a feminine hygiene product is a good indication of what he really thinks of girls and women
Fair enough, William.
486 GP
The Head of State is the Queen of England. Her REPRESENTATIVE is the Governor General.
Either way, I just don’t understand why any true Australian would not want an Australian to be the one and only head of state.
Or be proud of England’s flag either.
498 – it’s Britain’s flag. Not England. It includes the St. George Cross of England, the Scottish Saltire of St. Andrews, plus the Welsh St. David’s cross.
The head of state is the Queen of the United Kingdom, the Commonwealth AND Australia
regards
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