Crikey Blogs’ resident clever bastard Possum has come up with the characteristically brilliant idea of inviting readers to guess the result of the next Newspoll and record their prediction in the form in the sidebar. The next poll will be a particularly fascinating case study as it involves the unknown quantity of the Malcolm Turnbull leadership factor. The results of the survey will thus provide a fascinating measure of how much collective wisdom there is in this particular crowd. My guess is: not very much.
Prove me wrong, readers!
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“the Aboriginal industry”
You do know that’s a racist term, right GP?
No 201
No it isn’t a racist term and I resent your implication that I’m a racist.
The Aboriginal Industry is that which squandered the billions of dollars of transfers to Aborigines and yet they are still are the most disadvantaged people in our society.
No 202 – insinuation not implication.
199, yes, both of those women inspire a lot of things in me…
Well, in trepidation of the Moderator’s boot, I will make further comment: the fact you are asking for my agreeance dispels it as a “fact”. A fact wouldn’t be agreed upon, its a fact. If I bothered to pay attention to the statements “capital punishment is legalised murder” and “taxation is legalised theft” I probably would agree as I probably would with “War is murder” (that doesn’t make them “facts” though) its just I steer clear of such statements due to their emotive content – they are not worth saying unless you are desiring to carry your audience with you into the streets bearing flaming torches and pitchforks. Their intellectual content is worthless.
My post, by the way, is opinion, not fact
Yeah, I wonder who he will be debating?
GP
no white racist – including Sophie Mirabella – gets to decide what’s racist or not – she’s been called out for being racist by the Aboriginals over her behaviour with regard to the Stolen Generations and i agree with the Aboriginals on that
No 205
I disagree that their intellectual content is vacuous. It is a worthy debate to have. My argument is purely one from a legal perspective, whereas opponents justify taxation with a theory of a social contract.
For the record, governments would not function without taxation and as such I don’t advocate for the abolition of taxation.
No 208
The Aborigines classify any negative criticism toward them as racist.
Indeed the terms racist and genocide are so overused and misused that they worthless.
I don’t imagine this discussion is headed anywhere worth going to. Can we move on please.
Errr not tonight thanks. I didn’t get too dirty or sweat too much today and the lice seem to have gone now too.
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That was self-deletion by Aurelian, BTW. S/he could just as easily have not hit “post comment” of course, but each to their own.
As one of PollBludger’s few (perhaps only) triplej listeners, I actually heard something that made Christopher Pyne look good today. Pyne has been on about fair trade chocolate recently and has written to Rudd about it. Of course, as soon as I heard Pyne was doing anything, my BS detector switched my brain off to conserve energy.
But it turns out that Pyne is on to something. 70% of the world’s cocoa comes from the Ivory Coast and Ghana. There have been suggestions that it’s pretty crappy over there. Triplej had a reporter on who had gone there. Almost all the cocoa is harvested by children who are captive slaves, often sold from surrounding countries like Mali. There are 200,000 of them. Amazingly the kids didn’t even know that the cocoa pods they were harvesting were used to make chocolate.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23509866-2682,00.html
Nonsense. I was censored.
I take it no one heard me on Hack last week then.
William. I did. You were brilliant.
“..motor mouth approach to politics..” Swan on Turnbull during QT
I had just formulated a iron clad argument that would carry Australia into the green technocracy of the future when Rupert Murdoch reached across cyberspace and sunffed out my comment
I noticed that not many posters on this site have entered the competition over on Possum’s blog.
People aren’t scared of making a commitment or prediction are they?
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/18/what-size-a-turnbull-poll-bounce/#comment-10922
I hope it’s available on-line. Sorry to miss it.
The show is getting rave reviews too.
Here’s one.
http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/09/18/ABC_delivers_panel_show_with_balls_
Bilbo
are you going to make a prediction on poss’s blog?
222 shhh scorpo! I want that prize!
No 220
Oh, and I’m sure our inglorious Treasurer is an authority on economy of speech. The bumbling economic-illiterate can barely enunciate a sentence without resorting to lame cliches.
I was on the radio show, Scorpio. Didn’t know there was a TV one.
No 216
As the Economist concludes:
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~anthro/articles/economist-goodfood.htm
Fair Trade is nonsense.
220,
Easily the best line of the day by far
……
Good to see bipartisan common sense on this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/18/2368549.htm?section=justin
Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Andrew Robb says Russia has already met its international obligations.
But he says he accepts that the Prime Minister wants to consider the conflict in Georgia before making a decision.
Initial polls on Turnbull’s satisfaction rating rather than PPM more important to see whether middle voters buy Turnbull as a silvertail or an acceptable but toffy politcan and his republic involvement will aid him If Turnbull gets over that , he will not be a pushover like Nelson & limit Labors 2010 election likely win below a landslide
Base Liberal vote should rise 2% to 3% but some of that will get lost in 2 PP figure with downward % movement in ‘others’ and Greens
What are the results of the Newspoll Survey?
Maxine McKew jousting with the Liberal’s Tony Abbot on Q&A tonight. Wonder how Tony will go, usually he cant cope with women.
The reason African countries are poor is that their products are shut of their natural market, western Europe, by EU protectionism, which exists mostly to protect French farmers and the politicians they vote for. The person most responsible for the perpetuation of poverty in Africa over the past decade has been Jacques Chirac. Africa needs free trade, not Fairtrade or any other gimmick.
Thomas Paine “that’s bullsht” as Tony would say jj LOL!
Grog back @ 196, I think it was. If that’s true, he’s sold his soul, and both he & the LNP are buggered. Both twin bases will desert them, particularly as they don’t have control of the pork anymore.
William,
Do you have a link to the radio show that you were on?
And as for Fairtrade – what a load of utter rubbish! And the fact that a Liberal party frontbencher is endorsing the concept shows just how far from the concept of liberalism the party has drifted…
237 HSO. I agree. I think Turnbull believes he can only get a little bit pregnant…
And now for something completely different (and off-topic):
The Palin-inspired bounce for McCain is more or less dead – poll out in Indiana shows Obama +3:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/NEWS0502/80917076
P.S. Apologies William, but I didn’t know where else to post this..
There used to be a US election thread – can’t find it now!
GP @ 233. Sigh! It won’t be out till next week, hence the competition to try and guess the result. Really, GP, the sooner you learn that politics is about more than just stating your own prejudice/s about any given topic, and start listening to people who may have a much wider range of experience than yourself, the sooner you may have something interesting to say.
William, at the risk of being banned, GP really is boring as he won’t concede when people have demonstrably demolished his assertions, and just keeps repeating them, over and over, and over.
Maxine looking very glamorous on Q&A tonight and is very sharp.
Tony Abbott is following the same pattern as his fellow Libs on this program.
Trying to defend the indefensible and getting a bit cranky when it isn’t working.
If only they wouldn’t keep trying to take us and the audience as fools and admit their mistakes, they would be t5aken more seriously.
I can’t see it happening though. They are too well trained in this by Howard.
That Tony “people skill” Abbott is really a pain in you know where on QandA. He is so smug and self righteous, it makes me want to be euthanized.
Is Abbott the only Liberal accepting invites onto TV? You can’t switch on the box without seeing his wingednut visage.
240 swing lowe…I see William has put up a new US eleciton thread:
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/09/18/us-election-minus-48-days/
Swing Lowe @ 238: no, but you can hear me here:
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2365161.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2337391.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2362790.htm
Thanks William.
One more quick request – could you take me out of moderation on the US thread?
So has Turnbull reserved his seat for his Trucking Adventure?
Will he sit in a truck for 12 hours like his predessor did to understand the hardships of truck drivers?
If he doesn’t go on his Trucking Listening tour does that mean he won’t understand the hardships of a truck driver, or is he admitting that nelson’s Trucking Adventure was just a cheap media stunt?
Pol,
Not trucking likely.
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