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Morgan: Rudd 55, Turnbull 30

Roy Morgan has released a mid-week phone survey of 574 respondents on attitudes to the party leaders, which has 55 per cent favouring Kevin Rudd against 30 per cent for Malcolm Turnbull. Kevin Rudd has a 55 per cent approval rating and 31 per cent disapproval; Malcolm Turnbull’s figures are 43 per cent and 24 per cent. The sample produced a two-party result of 57-43 in favour of Labor: no further detail on voting intention is provided.

UPDATE: Aristotle in comments points out that primary vote figures from the survey are available on Morgan’s poll trends page: Labor 46.5 per cent, Coalition 34.5 per cent, Greens 8 per cent, others 4.5 per cent.

451 Comments

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  1. 201
    Winston
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    No one misses Costello.

  2. 202
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Adam, Gillard is no Thatcher.

  3. 203
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    GP,

    This is a politcal reonstruction of the Sam Peckinpah film, “The Wild Bunch”. It had all the victims dying in a slow motion of gore and degradation.

    This is the Liberal’s fate for the next few years.

    Deal with it!

  4. 204
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    This is the Liberal’s fate for the next few years.

    Keep dreaming GG.

  5. 205
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    GP @ 194. She’s a very effective nonsense, I would submit. Julie blue eyes is going to have trubble with Swan, as she’s got absolutely no idea, none, zilch, about the economy. A mere assertion on my part, but hey, it hasn’t held you back.

  6. 206
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    GP,

    Whistling in the dark I see.

  7. 207
    Dario
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Adam, Gillard is no Thatcher.

    Thank goodness

  8. 208
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Thatcher is captivating. The greatest British PM in history.

  9. 209
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Gillard is one of the finest polliticians around at the moment – dwarfs Turnbull in ability, style, control, strategy and delivery. All Turnbull really is hoping to trade on is a media programmed character manufacture and creating a myth of abilities higher than they are. In other words Turnbull has to rely on being faked into being a desireable person to elect. He is unable to do this himself using his charcter and abilities as they are.

  10. 210
    Andrew
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    So if I’ve got this right Morgan has gone from 55.5/45.5 to 57/43 since Turnbull’s election to the leadership. So why is the MSM wetting themselves with excitement on just how well Turnbull is doing. As they showed from the minute Rudd became opposition leader, the polls dont seem to matter when they dont support their argument

  11. 211
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    TP,

    Dear oh Dear.

    A measure of a politician is what she delivers to her constituency. Julia is a polly on the rise, but, let us not associate mystical powers before she actually delivers.

  12. 212
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    GP,

    Where was Winston Churchill?

  13. 213
    Winston
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    GP @ 28

    You really need to seek help about that.

  14. 214
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    She is a good as any of them there at the moment and certainly superior to Turnbull on performance these past 18 months. And she has negotiated the tougher road to the top.

  15. 215
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I did not have a comment @ 28 Winston.

  16. 216
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    TP,

    Tell me, how is life better because of Julia?

  17. 217
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Oh for goodness sake, this Saturday is the Festival of the Boot, Part 1. No one is going to be paying attention in Oz.

  18. 218
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    No 216

    It’s much more loathesome.

  19. 219
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    loathsome

  20. 220
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    The greatest PM Britain has ever had was William Ewart Gladstone, “the people’s William.” Churchill was a great character and a great war leader, but not much use for anything else. Thatcher had brilliant political skills, I grant, but mostly used in the service of evil. Attlee deserves credit for achieving more of the program he was elected on than any other PM.

  21. 221
    Winston
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    OK – @ 208 – you know what I mean.

    Anyway, Gillard is certainly the star performer in Parliament at the moment.

    But she needs to deliver on policy – her announcements on education and IR fall well short of what should be expected of a labor Government elected on a promise of abolishing Howard’s legacy.

  22. 222
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Turnbull,

    Now here is a man who is the head sales rep for the Liberal party used car lot.

    The Liberal mark has done a few million miles but has blown a gasket & head needed replacing with a oil change. A wax & polish and WOW … “as flash as a rat with gold teeth”.

    But a look under the bonnet says urrghh – needs new plugs, battery, gear box, exrtra degrasing, a starter motor change & the wheel allignment suspiciously keep veering to the hard right when it should be in the centre!!

    No longer “car of the year” & driver polls suggest its best mile are behind it. A flash sales man but still the same old LEMON!!!

  23. 223
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Harry,

    You say that as if it is a bad thing.

    Please clarify

  24. 224
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    No 221

    Perhaps Howard’s legacy wasn’t so bad after all. It’s nice that the ALP has had the reality check it so dearly required. ;)

  25. 225
    Dario
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    So if I’ve got this right Morgan has gone from 55.5/45.5 to 57/43 since Turnbull’s election to the leadership. So why is the MSM wetting themselves with excitement on just how well Turnbull is doing.

    I think you answered your own question…

    As they showed from the minute Rudd became opposition leader, the polls dont seem to matter when they dont support their argument

  26. 226
    Winston
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Thatcher’s greatest skill – like Howard’s- was her own longevity.

  27. 227
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Would YOU buy a car from this man???

    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/

  28. 228
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    No 226

    And Winston, how do you suppose she remained in power for so long? Because her policies transformed Britain from a walled garden of insidious protection, to an open, freer economy.

  29. 229
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    No 227

    Mr Turnbull takes public transport.

  30. 230
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I suppose the Roller is getting a tune up!

  31. 231
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    No 230

    He owns a Prius.

  32. 232
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Personal attack on other commenter deleted – The Management.

  33. 233
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Response to above comment deleted – The Management.

  34. 234
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Comment deleted as part of a purge of the whole exchange – The Management.

  35. 235
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Comment deleted as part of a purge of the whole exchange – The Management.

  36. 236
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Comment deleted as part of a purge of the whole exchange – The Management.

  37. 237
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Growler @ 223. I thought I’d made it clear. Please tell me where it’s not. BTW, will have to respond tomorrow, as am still recovering from drive up and back to Q’L'D, little sister’s death, and so forth.

  38. 238
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    My condolences HSO. :(

  39. 239
    Spam Box
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    224

    I think many Laborites owe the man a beer or three.

    Howard went the full Monty but he blew it.. For a very long time, nobody is going to trust a Lib Leader as soon as he starts taking off his jacket

  40. 240
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    GP @ 236

    Never stopped you!

  41. 241
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    No 239

    Turnbull will be in the lodge in 2010. :)

  42. 242
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Thank you very much, GP. I sincerely hope you never have to confront this, but if you do, pray for the Catholics to look after you, if you don’t want your own way of dying.

  43. 243
    Dario
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Turnbull will be in the lodge in 2010

    A ski lodge perhaps

  44. 244
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    No 243

    A ski lodge perhaps

    You wish.

  45. 245
    Winston
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    241

    Do retired MP’s get invited for tea?

  46. 246
    Dario
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    You wish

    I know

  47. 247
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    LOL… Dario….The lodge? No way The new fresh Prez of Kirribilli … In his dreams!!

  48. 248
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Wot a silly exchange. Time to disappear.

    Go Cats.

  49. 249
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    The business spectator agrees that Gillard’s “Forward with Fairness” is simply “Workchoices Lite”:

    After all, Labor’s proposals, promoted under the quaint title 'Forward with Fairness', gave employers much of what was on their wish list when they started negotiating with Labor: secret ballots before industrial action can be taken; a permit system for union officials wanting to enter a site can be enforced; and the industrial umpire’s capacity to arbitrate has been crimped. Most importantly, the Australian Building and Construction Commission – the building industry’s watchdog – remains in place until 2010, much to the chagrin of the building unions, in particular. The title 'WorkChoices Lite' would seem more apt.

    And:

    What Gillard has done with her proposals – and what WorkChoices disguised during the life of the Howard government – is to demonstrate just how little power unions now exercise, especially politically. And the ramifications of a union movement that is becoming increasingly impotent (the only exception is in NSW where the unions, via their control of the pre-selection process, still exert naked political power) will be enormous.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/End-of-an-IR-era-JTRZP?OpenDocument&src=sph

  50. 250
    Spam Box
    Posted Friday, September 26, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    241

    Anything’s possible GP, but no, that wont happen. (It would take a extreme event and even then, good ol Fanta-pants will do the job)

    Sit back for abit… stir the pot(pot’s?) for a while and have fun.. There’s not much else to do

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