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Palin versus Biden debate thread

Call it as you see it here. The purpose of this thread is to quarantine the kind of partisan name-calling that is the hallmark of live debate discussion from the main thread, so I won’t quite be holding commenters up to this site’s normal high standards. The other thread remains open for those wishing to discuss the presidential race more broadly.

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  1. 151
    juliem
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Palin’s answer along similar lines and the worm is positive but men below women and neither as high as they were for Biden …..

  2. 152
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Palin answers Biden …. “Uhm, [silence] , er ……” and in about 4 seconds, starts her answer .. .meanwhile the worm tanks …… (talking about exit strategies from Iraq I believe)

    It’s because she had run out of talking points that were remotely relevant to the question.

  3. 153
    steve
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Palin bashes congress.

  4. 154
    The Finnigans
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    I must say Biden has been very good so far, even better than his boss Obama.

  5. 155
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Is there an obvioius difference in quality coming through?

  6. 156
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Palin says “Wasilla Main street” – men drop +20 to +10, women drop slightly less but both recover back to pre bogan cliche level relatively quickly.

    Men dont seem to trust Biden on Tax and have started to go negative when he starts mentioning it before recovering as the answer goes on

  7. 157
    juliem
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Palin says “So Joe, there you go again” in starting her rebuttal and the worm tanks ….

  8. 158
    sondeo
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Possum @ 146: , I think it is called the ” Sean Connery” effect. My sisters would gladly leave their husbands for a night with Mr C. Can’t see why myself.? Maybe Joe is having that effect also. !

  9. 159
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    THERE YOU GO AGAIN JOE!

    I’m RONALD REAGAN with LIPSTICK!

  10. 160
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Thomas – definitely

  11. 161
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Palin talks about education and doesnt say a thing, women go ballistic positive.

  12. 162
    Dario
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Did Palin just say “John McCain knows how to win a war, he’s been there”?

  13. 163
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    any sign of tears
    (i’m in a meeting-no picturse)

  14. 164
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Pundits will call this a Palin win.

  15. 165
    juliem
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    gusface, don’t think so ……

  16. 166
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    any sign of tears

    No. But I think Palin is about to offer everyone a lollipop.

  17. 167
    John Kloprogge
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Palin: “i want more power under the Const’n as VP”
    hmm…

  18. 168
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Biden disses Cheney – undecided Ohio women with dials start throwing their underwear at him.

  19. 169
    Patrick Bateman
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    This does raise the question of whether Obama’s decision not to make Clinton VP was a huge mistake.

    I can’t imagine her letting Palin get away with dodging every answer like this.

  20. 170
    Generic Person
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I think Palin hasn’t done too badly. Though Biden is simply the more knowledgeable candidate.

  21. 171
    Dario
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    This does raise the question of whether Obama’s decision not to make Clinton VP was a huge mistake.

    Palin wouldn’t have been picked if Clinton was VP

  22. 172
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Palin to withdraw has halved on Intrade to 5. Obama to win is going up to 70%.

  23. 173
    Swing Lowe
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I can’t imagine her letting Palin get away with dodging every answer like this.

    Biden’s not there to attack Palin – he’s there to attack McCain. And he’s getting free shots at McCain, because Palin’s responses are scripted…

  24. 174
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    This does raise the question of whether Obama’s decision not to make Clinton VP was a huge mistake.

    I don’t think so, Biden is doing fine.

  25. 175
    juliem
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Palin is asked to address the conventional wisdom that she has no experience and the worm tanks with her answer …..

  26. 176
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    The fact that anyone in the USA takes Palin seriously as a VP reflects an empire in steep decline. Quality is meaningless. Self indulgence everything.

    Must be demeaning for Biden, to have to be on stage with a high school kid and take her seriously. She succeeds is she doesn’t wet her pants and smiles.
    I think that Palin is even in the equation makes a joke of American policitics. If Palin is even remotely qualified for VP then each of us here is doubly qualified.

  27. 177
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Men consistently dont buy the Palin narrative. Women only move with nice words like education and healthcare when she speaks.

    She says American Exceptionalism and the Ohio undecideds have a bit of an orgasm.

  28. 178
    Tiny Tyrant
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Biden: experience.

  29. 179
    The Finnigans
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    It is obvious now that Palin has been instructed: “Just throw in a fluffy answer to any question and then make a pre-prepared statement”

  30. 180
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Biden goes teary over his son in Iraq, Ohio loves him

  31. 181
    Tiny Tyrant
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    he choked up! and the wormy women love it!!!

  32. 182
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    WOAH, the Biden choke up moment is going to be the talking point.

  33. 183
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    It is obvious now that Palin has been instructed: “Just throw in a fluffy answer to any question and then make a pre-prepared statement”

    Then smile.

  34. 184
    Matt C
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    At Intrade there have been some interesting movements in the “Barack Obama’s Intrade value will increase more than John McCain’s following the VP debate” stock.

    It started pre-debate in the 60s, has dropped during the debate to around 40, and is now back up to 58. I think McCain’s value will rise more, simply because he’s coming off such a low base and the low expectations of Palin were already factored into his price

  35. 185
    Darn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Biden’s teary moment was very touching. He’ll be marked up for that.

  36. 186
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Every time Palin says “Maverick”, she clips points off her favourability within seconds.

  37. 187
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Palin: “We’ve got to not allow…”

    Grammar – an optional extra.

  38. 188
    Darn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it’s just me, but the depth of Biden’s knowledge and experience is going to stand him in good stead, whatever the pundits say about who won.

  39. 189
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I dont think these Ohio Diallsters believe the McCain campaign narrative on anything. That’s dangerous, but if it’s becoming widespread it certainly explains the polls

  40. 190
    Patrick Bateman
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    What I mean is, Clinton would give the Dems a way to cut through this crap and show that the emperor really has no clothes – the Republicans only real shot is to win on image and perception, because the substance has been and remains appalling. Biden and Obama are both positive types, they don’t like really attacking the other side.

    Clinton would have given the Obama ticket real, credible teeth.

    And if Palin wouldn’t have been picked if Clinton was on the Obama ticket, maybe that’s another reason Clinton should have got it.

    I personally preferred Obama over Clinton, but I am concerned at the inability of the Obama campaign to get the media to report on the reality of the McCain campaign. It is just incredible that this woman continues to be taken seriously by anyone.

  41. 191
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    When she says maverick the all know there is nothing behind it. Reminds them she is a gimmick.

  42. 192
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    That’s because she’s said it about a million times.

  43. 193
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Ben Smith at Politico says that Palin has been taught to ignore the question and answer the question you wish you were asked. That can get pretty annoying after 90 minutes.

  44. 194
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    so biden is going teary LOL

  45. 195
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    the Republicans only real shot is to win on image and perception, because the substance has been and remains appalling.

    Isn’t that the ONLY way the Republicans win? :D

  46. 196
    Tiny Tyrant
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Palin doesn’ty seem to know what the ‘compromise’ means. figures.

  47. 197
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    so biden is going teary LOL

    Yes! Irony of ironies.

  48. 198
    Swing Lowe
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Ben Smith at Politico says that Palin has been taught to ignore the question and answer the question you wish you were asked.

    That works well in a 10 minute interview on the nightly news.

    Doesn’t work so well in a 90 minute nationally-televised debate.

    Biden’s doing as well as he can. Whether he wins the debate will be another matter entirely…

  49. 199
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Apologies to Tiny Tyrant and John Kloprogge for taking so long to clear their comments from moderation.

  50. 200
    Darn
    Posted Friday, October 3, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Just once Gusface – when he was talking about difficulties his children had to face when they lost their mother There’s nothing very funny about that.

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