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McCain versus Obama debate thread

A thread for discussion of the US presidential debate as it happens. As with last week’s vice-presidential debate, I won’t tell you shut up if you indulge in partisan name-calling. The other thread remains open for those wishing to discuss the presidential race more broadly.

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  1. 1
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    obama wins the coin toss and goes first ….

  2. 2
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    SO EXCITED!

  3. 3
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Morning Bludgers,

    I notice red ties seem to be the thing in the hall tonight

  4. 4
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    first question is from a guy who wants to know the fastest way to bail people out of the economic ruin that they are facing (to obama)

  5. 5
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    worm likes obamas answer to this question … my 10yo says ‘mum, look at how high the worm is for obama’ ….. :)

  6. 6
    Oz
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    What channel has the worm?

  7. 7
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    I notice red ties seem to be the thing in the hall tonight

    Yeah, they just crashed a meeting of the Associated Communist & Republican League of Tennessee.

  8. 8
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    again from the 10yo, ‘mum, the worm doesn’t like mccain when he tries to answer the same question’ ;-) ……

  9. 9
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Oz, CNN ……

  10. 10
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    I simply don’t think proposing another round of tax cuts will be seen as an adequate solution to this problem.

  11. 11
    Oz
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Channel 9 with the pirate feed? =P

  12. 12
    redwombat
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Will McCain nod off into a “nanna nap”? :-)

  13. 13
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    mccain tries to make a bad joke at brokaw’s expense ……

  14. 14
    Oz
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn, I think you give the American voter far too much credit.

  15. 15
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    obama is asked for who should be or would be his treasury secretary … he won’t commit to a full answer to the question but says warren buffett would be a good choice …

  16. 16
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    btw, the worm is also monitoring today uncommited ohio voters, same demographic but different people, as the VP debate …

  17. 17
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    mccain answering a question about the bailout plan and tries to play semantics and says it is NOT a bailout plan it is a rescue plan. apparently rescue has better connotations than bailout? …..

  18. 18
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Worm didn’t like “Senator Obama’s cronies”.

  19. 19
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    mccains answer (re q in #17), worm doesn’t like it at all, flatline or slightly below the line …..

  20. 20
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Everytime McCain has gone negative the worm has tanked, but 3:2 men to women – the exact opposite ratio from the VP debate.

  21. 21
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Obama correcting mccain’s version of events from things that happened 12 mos ago ;-)

  22. 22
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    If the Government goes out and buys up bad home loans, then that just increases the exposure of tax payers to the bad debt. Which in the longer term will require higher taxes to cover the debt.

  23. 23
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    The blokes on the worm dont seem to believe a word that either of them are saying!

  24. 24
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    mccain is trying to tell people he has been fighting for the little man, i.e. the “maverick” argument … the worm doesn’t buy it, worm is flatlined ….

  25. 25
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    The blokes on the worm dont seem to believe a word that either of them are saying!

    How did the worm go when McCain said Obama supports tax increases and pork barrel projects?

  26. 26
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Sensible chaps.

  27. 27
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    McCain’s war on earmarks looks like worm Serapax

  28. 28
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Didnt really move at all ShowsOn

  29. 29
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    “Some of this 700billion ends up in the hands of terrorist organisations” says McCain.

    WTF?

  30. 30
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Obama ought to be buying fuel at our prices, just mentioned nashville folks pay $3.80 US gallon for their fuel …..

  31. 31
    ltep
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    I thought this debate was meant to be more impassioned according to media hype.

  32. 32
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Obama is making sure that every time McCain attacks one of his position he responds. He doesn’t let anything go by. He doesn’t want to look weak.

  33. 33
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Wow, lucky that McCain is a Republican, it is political death for Democrats to attack the defense budget.

  34. 34
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    What!? He says there is lax spending in defense, but then says he will exclude defense from a spending freeze!

  35. 35
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    A lot of you will remember the tragedy of 9/11?

  36. 36
    redwombat
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    If they go over their time limit for an answer why don’t they just turn off their microphone?

  37. 37
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    If they go over their time limit for an answer why don’t they just turn off their microphone?

    Yeah, or why doesn’t Brokaw just interrupt them, which they will try to avoid because it sounds bad.

  38. 38
    Inner Westie
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Begs the question: who’s forgotten?

    Also: “How to safely store nuclear energy” … ?

  39. 39
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Yup …. 9/11 is one of those days that you don’t forget where you were and what you were doing. Challenger explosion in 1986 is another one for me.

  40. 40
    redwombat
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Can they get someone to help McCain onto that really high stool? :-)

  41. 41
    Oz
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    And then he’ll bitch at them afterwards, MAN UP BROKAW.

  42. 42
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    McCain talks about Obama’s tax policies and the worm goes below the line ….. talks about refundable tax credit for health insurance but doesn’t mention that he will tax their health insurance benefits …..

  43. 43
    Inner Westie
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Warning: “Shameless tax bribes”!

    (JWH would blush.)

  44. 44
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Worm likes Obama talking about CEO’s who should NOT get tax cuts (i.e no tax cuts for the rich) and no golden parachutes either ……

  45. 45
    zombie mao
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m watching it without the worm

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  46. 46
    Dario
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    For those of us without a TV, how’s it seeming so far folks?

  47. 47
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    McCain is getting killed by the Worm in about 90% of the debate so far.

  48. 48
    zombie mao
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    sif “tv”

    im using teh interweb

    :O

  49. 49
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    For those of us without a TV, how’s it seeming so far folks?

    Nil all draw.

    However, McCain has lowered his patronising tone from the last debate, it seems he realises that didn’t go down too well.

  50. 50
    Swing Lowe
    Posted Wednesday, October 8, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Have there been any “game-changing” moments so far?

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