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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-213232</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good decision by Labor I think.

Good for The Greens I suppose, they still have the balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good decision by Labor I think.</p>
<p>Good for The Greens I suppose, they still have the balance.</p>
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		<title>By: ltep</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-212722</link>
		<dc:creator>ltep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Rattenbury has been elected Speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Rattenbury has been elected Speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam in Canberra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-211237</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam in Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in Lilliput, expecting complete parliamentary novices to take on ministries is asking for trouble. The Greens were wise not to demand portfolios but rather to dictate terms from the crossbenches. They will gain useful experience with the committee chairs they now have. There you are Rebecca, I put &quot;Greens&quot; and &quot;wise&quot; in the same sentence. Now I think we can all holds hands and dance around the forest glade singing Puff the Magic Dragon. We get to stay in government, you get to have your policies enacted. You get all the credit of they work out, we get the blame if they don&#039;t. Everyone&#039;s a winner EXCEPT THE LIBS. What&#039;s not to like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in Lilliput, expecting complete parliamentary novices to take on ministries is asking for trouble. The Greens were wise not to demand portfolios but rather to dictate terms from the crossbenches. They will gain useful experience with the committee chairs they now have. There you are Rebecca, I put &#8220;Greens&#8221; and &#8220;wise&#8221; in the same sentence. Now I think we can all holds hands and dance around the forest glade singing Puff the Magic Dragon. We get to stay in government, you get to have your policies enacted. You get all the credit of they work out, we get the blame if they don&#8217;t. Everyone&#8217;s a winner EXCEPT THE LIBS. What&#8217;s not to like?</p>
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		<title>By: bob1234</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably wise that the Greens didn&#039;t gain any ministerial portfolios. It leaves government incompetence up to Labor and not the Greens. The Greens have got what they wanted through the agreement. A ministerial position would have simply been about the spoils of office which is not what the Greens are about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably wise that the Greens didn&#8217;t gain any ministerial portfolios. It leaves government incompetence up to Labor and not the Greens. The Greens have got what they wanted through the agreement. A ministerial position would have simply been about the spoils of office which is not what the Greens are about.</p>
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		<title>By: lefty e</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-210986</link>
		<dc:creator>lefty e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think the Greens could have wangled a ministry out of the deal - but that said, the platform it ties the ALP to is great:  cutting edge urban policies. I predict other cities will be looking to Canberra for policy ideas this time in 3 years hence.

The ACT is perfectly sized to become a model sustainable city-state. Good outcome for the people.

Shame the rest of the country doesn&#039;t have PR - we could look forward to this around the country. Local councils just dont have the power of the ACT govt (Brisbane excepted - but then Brisbane doesnt have PR)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think the Greens could have wangled a ministry out of the deal &#8211; but that said, the platform it ties the ALP to is great:  cutting edge urban policies. I predict other cities will be looking to Canberra for policy ideas this time in 3 years hence.</p>
<p>The ACT is perfectly sized to become a model sustainable city-state. Good outcome for the people.</p>
<p>Shame the rest of the country doesn&#8217;t have PR &#8211; we could look forward to this around the country. Local councils just dont have the power of the ACT govt (Brisbane excepted &#8211; but then Brisbane doesnt have PR)</p>
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		<title>By: bob1234</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-210984</link>
		<dc:creator>bob1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speaking as a rotten right-wing ALP hack and purveyor of puerile anti-Green jokes&quot;

Full credit for honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Speaking as a rotten right-wing ALP hack and purveyor of puerile anti-Green jokes&#8221;</p>
<p>Full credit for honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For once, I have to agree with Adam. I&#039;m pretty impressed at this.

I guess the next question is what happens to the role of Speaker. I&#039;m a bit surprised that Labor isn&#039;t begging the Greens to take the job, purely because, in a seven member caucus, and with five members, taking the Speaker from their own ranks leaves them with a backbench of all of one. 

According to the CT this morning, Labor wants to nominate John Hargreaves for the role, which is brilliant (anything that gets the cantankerous old fool out of a ministry is brilliant); presumably that would mean that Mary Porter would be promoted to the vacancy, and Simon Corbell would be safe. In that case, I hope the Greens back down and don&#039;t follow through with their threat for a Liberal - especially since the Liberal nominee is supposed to be Vicki Dunne, who&#039;s undoubtedly the biggest idiot to tarnish the Assembly benches in their history, and that&#039;s saying something here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once, I have to agree with Adam. I&#8217;m pretty impressed at this.</p>
<p>I guess the next question is what happens to the role of Speaker. I&#8217;m a bit surprised that Labor isn&#8217;t begging the Greens to take the job, purely because, in a seven member caucus, and with five members, taking the Speaker from their own ranks leaves them with a backbench of all of one. </p>
<p>According to the CT this morning, Labor wants to nominate John Hargreaves for the role, which is brilliant (anything that gets the cantankerous old fool out of a ministry is brilliant); presumably that would mean that Mary Porter would be promoted to the vacancy, and Simon Corbell would be safe. In that case, I hope the Greens back down and don&#8217;t follow through with their threat for a Liberal &#8211; especially since the Liberal nominee is supposed to be Vicki Dunne, who&#8217;s undoubtedly the biggest idiot to tarnish the Assembly benches in their history, and that&#8217;s saying something here.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam in Canberra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-210868</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam in Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a rotten right-wing ALP hack and purveyor of puerile anti-Green jokes, I find all of that very acceptable and sensible. Good sense and statespersonship (or perhaps statesbeingship since we don&#039;t wish to be speciesist) has been displayed all round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a rotten right-wing ALP hack and purveyor of puerile anti-Green jokes, I find all of that very acceptable and sensible. Good sense and statespersonship (or perhaps statesbeingship since we don&#8217;t wish to be speciesist) has been displayed all round.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/10/19/act-election-late-counting/comment-page-7/#comment-210332</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[I don’t particularly understand how this agreement is that great for the Greens. It looks like Labor got the best out of the whole situation.]

7) Parliamentary Staffing and Resources
ACT Labor will ensure that the Greens MLAs are accorded party status, including
formal recognition of the roles of the Greens’ Parliamentary Convenor and Whip.
ACT Labor agrees that it shall commit to provide the Greens with staffing
resources for three cross-bench Members and staffing equivalent to 1.5 of a
cross-bench Member for the Greens’ parliamentary convenor.

ACT Labor will support the Greens’ nominations for Chairs of the following
Committees:
i) Public Accounts Committee
ii) Health, Community and Social Services
iii) Climate Change, Environment and Water
iv) Select Committee on Ecological Carrying Capacity for the ACT and
region

3.10 The provision of Climate Change Impact Analysis to be required for all
Government Bills and major policy proposals.
3.11 Introduction of Triple Bottom Line annual reporting to be required through the
Chief Minister’s Annual Report Directions.
3.12 A new Standing Order to require that answers to questions during Question Time
be “directly” relevant to the question.

3.18 A request for observer status for the Greens at COAG meetings to be made by the
Chief Minister to the Prime Minister.

1.1 Legislate a greenhouse gas reduction target for the ACT.

1.2 Call for Expressions of Interest by the end of 2008 for the development of a
renewable energy plant capable of producing sufficient power for at least 10,000
Canberra homes. Provide at least $30 million in assistance in 2009/10 budget to ensure the development of the plant.

1.3 An Energy Efficient makeover for Canberra households, with the aim that within 10
years all houses rated lower than 3 stars for energy efficiency should have improved
energy efficiency to move them up to at least 3 stars.

1.4 A timetable for the purchase of 100% renewable electricity by the ACT Government.

2.1 Increase recurrent funding for cycling infrastructure to $3.6 million per annum from
2009-10, and provide $2.5 million to address the maintenance backlog and
implementation of signage on the cycling network.

2.4 Adopting a goal of guaranteed bus frequency of 30 minutes. The first stage of the
proposal, considering time periods and appropriate locations should begin
implementation by the middle of 2009.

3.1 Introducing a levy on plastic bags in supermarkets and other retailers. This will be a
12-month trial, and will be implemented in the first half of 2009.

4.1 Implementing the ‘Plumber Visit’ program, where a qualified plumber visits houses
and undertakes maintenance and repairs such as fixing or replacing leaking hot water
systems and pipes, installing dual flush toilet systems, fitting low flow taps, shower heads
and other water-saving devices. This should be delivered to at least 25,000 houses over
four years. This program would concentrate on government houses and other lowincome
households.

5.1 Requiring a minimum 6 star rating for new residential housing by 2010

Also some other policies on business, education, health and justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t particularly understand how this agreement is that great for the Greens. It looks like Labor got the best out of the whole situation.</p></blockquote>
<p>7) Parliamentary Staffing and Resources<br />
ACT Labor will ensure that the Greens MLAs are accorded party status, including<br />
formal recognition of the roles of the Greens’ Parliamentary Convenor and Whip.<br />
ACT Labor agrees that it shall commit to provide the Greens with staffing<br />
resources for three cross-bench Members and staffing equivalent to 1.5 of a<br />
cross-bench Member for the Greens’ parliamentary convenor.</p>
<p>ACT Labor will support the Greens’ nominations for Chairs of the following<br />
Committees:<br />
i) Public Accounts Committee<br />
ii) Health, Community and Social Services<br />
iii) Climate Change, Environment and Water<br />
iv) Select Committee on Ecological Carrying Capacity for the ACT and<br />
region</p>
<p>3.10 The provision of Climate Change Impact Analysis to be required for all<br />
Government Bills and major policy proposals.<br />
3.11 Introduction of Triple Bottom Line annual reporting to be required through the<br />
Chief Minister’s Annual Report Directions.<br />
3.12 A new Standing Order to require that answers to questions during Question Time<br />
be “directly” relevant to the question.</p>
<p>3.18 A request for observer status for the Greens at COAG meetings to be made by the<br />
Chief Minister to the Prime Minister.</p>
<p>1.1 Legislate a greenhouse gas reduction target for the ACT.</p>
<p>1.2 Call for Expressions of Interest by the end of 2008 for the development of a<br />
renewable energy plant capable of producing sufficient power for at least 10,000<br />
Canberra homes. Provide at least $30 million in assistance in 2009/10 budget to ensure the development of the plant.</p>
<p>1.3 An Energy Efficient makeover for Canberra households, with the aim that within 10<br />
years all houses rated lower than 3 stars for energy efficiency should have improved<br />
energy efficiency to move them up to at least 3 stars.</p>
<p>1.4 A timetable for the purchase of 100% renewable electricity by the ACT Government.</p>
<p>2.1 Increase recurrent funding for cycling infrastructure to $3.6 million per annum from<br />
2009-10, and provide $2.5 million to address the maintenance backlog and<br />
implementation of signage on the cycling network.</p>
<p>2.4 Adopting a goal of guaranteed bus frequency of 30 minutes. The first stage of the<br />
proposal, considering time periods and appropriate locations should begin<br />
implementation by the middle of 2009.</p>
<p>3.1 Introducing a levy on plastic bags in supermarkets and other retailers. This will be a<br />
12-month trial, and will be implemented in the first half of 2009.</p>
<p>4.1 Implementing the ‘Plumber Visit’ program, where a qualified plumber visits houses<br />
and undertakes maintenance and repairs such as fixing or replacing leaking hot water<br />
systems and pipes, installing dual flush toilet systems, fitting low flow taps, shower heads<br />
and other water-saving devices. This should be delivered to at least 25,000 houses over<br />
four years. This program would concentrate on government houses and other lowincome<br />
households.</p>
<p>5.1 Requiring a minimum 6 star rating for new residential housing by 2010</p>
<p>Also some other policies on business, education, health and justice.</p>
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		<title>By: castle</title>
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		<dc:creator>castle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[perhaps they’re from the very small minority who preferenced the Liberals.]

I think the Greens 2nd preferences at the last fed election ran over 25% to the libs.

Not a small minority and shows that the greens are attracting a wide range of voters and views, which is a good thing.

Labor voters will preference greens or go green /labor expecting greens to support labor, lib voters wil expect the greens to hold labor accountable or go with the party that got the majority of the votes or majority of the seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>perhaps they’re from the very small minority who preferenced the Liberals.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the Greens 2nd preferences at the last fed election ran over 25% to the libs.</p>
<p>Not a small minority and shows that the greens are attracting a wide range of voters and views, which is a good thing.</p>
<p>Labor voters will preference greens or go green /labor expecting greens to support labor, lib voters wil expect the greens to hold labor accountable or go with the party that got the majority of the votes or majority of the seats.</p>
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