Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Newspoll: 54-46

The Australian reports that this fortnight’s Newspoll has Labor’s lead at 54-46, down from 55-45 last time. However, Kevin Rudd’s preferred prime minister rating is up five points to 59 per cent, while Malcolm Turnbull is down one point to 25 per cent. Essential Research has Labor’s lead up from 59-41 to 61-39 in its weekly survey, which is Labor’s second successive two point increase. Also included are questions on leadership approval and attitudes to the financial crisis.

UPDATE: Graphic here. An interesting set of figures: despite going backwards on two-party, Labor’s primary vote is up three points to 44 per cent, the Greens having returned to earth from 13 per cent to 9 per cent. Kevin Rudd’s personal ratings are well up: satisfaction up nine to 65 per cent and dissatisfaction down six to 26 per cent, his best figures since May and June respectively. He’s also taken a commanding lead over Turnbull as best leader to handle the economy, up nine since September 19-21 to 50 per cent with Turnbull down eight to 35 per cent. Also included are questions on the carbon pollution reduction scheme, which over half now believe should be at least delayed.

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  1. 101
    Spam Box
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    96 – Ah, ok, there goes that theory then ;)

  2. 102
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    96 - Ah, ok, there goes that theory then ;)

    I think you are right that it has something to do with the very first post of this thread being deleted, not just edited.

    It is quoted at #4, which for some people may appear as #5

  3. 103
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Ah I’ve found the culprit causing this mess to my numbering. William, can you please approve my post @ 47, or delete it altogether?

  4. 104
    zombie mao
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    I blame Obama, Ayers, Rudd, Whitlam and that pantless communist Humphrey B Bear.

  5. 105
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Cuppa, where was Conroy’s conscience when he labelled opposition to his Great Firewall as kiddie fiddlers?

  6. 106
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Pain-in-the-arse comment deleted – The Management.

  7. 107
    steve
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Europe is on the brink of a currency meltdown.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3260052/Europe-on-the-brink-of-currency-crisis-meltdown.html

  8. 108
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Europe is on the brink of a currency meltdown.

    Will this help the Ozzie go up so I can get some more cheap DVDs?

  9. 109
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    No 106

    I was quite enjoying buying cheap Blu-Rays from Amazon until our dollar crashed to 60c :(

  10. 110
    Cuppa
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Future generations of employees would endure reduced pay, conditions, bargaining power and job security if the Liberals have their way.

    Most reasonable people deliberately try to leave a better world for their children. You could say it’s part of what makes us human. But not Liberals; their extremist ideology requires they leave a worse, more insecure workplace regime for their employee children than they themselves inherited from earlier generations.

    It’s a vote to turn the clock back, with their own descendants as the losers.

    Where is your conscience, GP, when you support reduced pay, working conditions and living standards for your own descendants?

  11. 111
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    I was quite enjoying buying cheap Blu-Rays from Amazon until our dollar crashed to 60c :(

    I’m not blu-ray compliant yet. I regret not making a few more big DVDPacific orders when the AUD$ was in the 90 US cent range. There just wasn’t a lot I wanted to buy. I’ve got an order of new releases that will ship in a couple of weeks. It is going to cost about 25% more than when I placed the order. :(

  12. 112
    Generic Person
    Posted Monday, October 27, 2008 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    No 109

    Cuppa you argument is emotional not factual. Employment actually increased under workchoices.

  13. 113
    ShowsOn
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Cuppa you argument is emotional not factual. Employment actually increased under workchoices.

    You’re confusing a proximate cause with an ultimate cause.

  14. 114
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    You should get on the Blu-Ray bandwagon ShowsOn. Image quality is great + plus there’s a lot of extra value if you use a PlayStation 3 as the player.

  15. 115
    ShowsOn
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    You should get on the Blu-Ray bandwagon ShowsOn. Image quality is great + plus there’s a lot of extra value if you use a PlayStation 3 as the player.

    There’s just not much out on the format that I want to buy at this stage. I mainly watch films made before 1970.

    Also, my TV doesn’t do 1080 progressive, only interlaced. So I wouldn’t get the full HD image anyway.

  16. 116
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Don’t misrepresent what I said. I’m not talking about the amount of employment. (You could have full employment – 0% unemployment – in a pure slave economy.) I am talking about pay, conditions and job security, deliberately undermined by SerfChoices, with you as an enthusiastic proponent, knowingly supporting the deterioration of employment conditions for your own descendants.

  17. 117
    lefty e
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Ok, so remember I was asking why money WOULDNT flow to banks given they have positive returns, and shares/ mortgage funds are negative?

    Well dig this: most of these funds froze BEFORE this month. That’s right. Check this list http://www.maynereport.com/articles/2008/08/28-0958-6879.html

    Which only goes to show what a completely irresponsible TURKEY Turnbull is. He’s spun this for all its worth, and its all a CROCK!! He should be drawn and quartered by the media.

    These funds were toast way before the guarantee. Read the list.

  18. 118
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    No 113

    There’s no perceptible difference between 1080i and 1080p.

    I particularly like Marlon Brandon’s old films, Caesar and Mutiny on the Bounty in particular. ;-)

  19. 119
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    No 114

    My pay increased under Workchoices. Only unionists think that it is impossible to bargain with employers on an individual basis.

  20. 120
    bob1234
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    @97 – GP

    “Cuppa you’re full of nonsense. Come back when you have a real argument devoid of infantile blather.”

    Pot… kettle… black…

  21. 121
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it quiet around here when the kids are playing nicely together?

  22. 122
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    I think GP has shown us that, like most Libs, he longs for the day when Serfchoices can be brought back to life and advanced even further. (I know GP we have Serfchoices lite now …yeah, yeah.)

  23. 123
    ShowsOn
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    I particularly like Marlon Brandon’s old films, Caesar and Mutiny on the Bounty in particular. ;-)

    Yeah got those and love them both. In fact I have 20 Brando films on DVD.

    A blu-ray of Mutiny on the Bounty would be awesome. Warner released it on HD-DVD, so surely they will do a blu-ray soonish.

    I’ll probably get How the West Was Won first. Warner released it on a format called Smilebox that emulates watching it on a deeply curved Cinerama screen:
    http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews40/how_the_west_was_won_blu-ray.htm

    They didn’t release it Smileboxed on DVD, blu-ray only.

  24. 124
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    My pay increased under Workchoices

    Says Mr Magoo. Only a Liberal would be so selfish and short-sighted as to think it’s only about them personally here and now. “I’m OK, bugger everyone else, including my own descendants.” Humans think of their children and the generations after. They don’t want them to inherit reduced pay, conditions and bargaining power courtesy of the Liberals miserable ideology.

  25. 125
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    No 122

    Actually there was a long-running saga of threads on Whirlpool that detailed the war between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I said BR would win all along. :) The PS3 was the Trojan horse.

    But yes, HD Brando films are always worth the money.

  26. 126
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    Cuppa, stop serving them up red cordial while the little darlings are temporarily so engrossed in the movies.

  27. 127
    bob1234
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    GP just shows that like all Liberals, no matter what they say, they still believe in full deregulation of the workplace.

    Despite WorkChoices creating further regulation.

  28. 128
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Abusive comment deleted – The Management.

  29. 129
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    No 126

    Yes, notwithstanding some simple minimum standards, the labour market should be fully deregulated.

  30. 130
    bob1234
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    @127

    “Yes, notwithstanding some simple minimum standards, the labour market should be fully deregulated.”

    Full of contradiction. But that’s been your life story on poll bludger eh?

  31. 131
    bob1234
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    And further, do we support Howard’s WorkChoices with increased regulation, or do we not support it, instead supporting deregulation?

  32. 132
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  33. 133
    bob1234
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Now i’m a Greens supporter, but I see Christine Milne is on a flight of fantasy again. Different times, different situation, well-entrenched major parties.

    Green government on the way in Canberra: senator – http://www.theage.com.au/national/green-government-on-the-way-in-canberra-senator-20081027-59ti.html

    AUSTRALIA is in sight of a major political realignment that will see the Greens form government in Australia, the party’s climate change spokeswoman says.

    In a speech to the Sydney Institute last night, Christine Milne said there was a “real prospect” the Greens could broaden its support base as the community embraced the need for a “green new deal”.

    She said the Nationals were in decline the Liberals in a state of flux and Labor was disappointing its voters.

    “Just as Labor began with a few individuals being elected and then achieved balance of power and then opposition and government, so too it will be for the Greens. We are on our way to government,” she said.

  34. 134
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  35. 135
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    I think Christine forgot to take her medication.

  36. 136
    Spam Box
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    On that note, night all :)

    See you all tomorrow, hopefully we’ll have something better to bitch about ;)

  37. 137
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  38. 138
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  39. 139
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  40. 140
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Workchoices reduced unemployment and kept inflation under control.

  41. 141
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    SerfChoices was an unmandated attack on the pay, conditions, job security, bargaining power and living standards of innocent, trusting employees. It was planned to destroy workers’ unions in this country, to thereby deprive employees of their only form of organised advocacy, and undermine the financial viability of the Labor Party, for the entrenchment advantage of the miserable Liberals, eroding the viability of the two-party system.

  42. 142
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  43. 143
    Dario
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Workchoices reduced unemployment

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc

  44. 144
    lefty e
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Erm, the Greens WILL be forming a government in the ACT. Probably this week. With another party, I grant you, but nonetheless., its a big moment.

  45. 145
    Cuppa
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  46. 146
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    SNIP: Tedious bickering deleted – The Management.

  47. 147
    lefty e
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    This is not a pipe.

    —U

  48. 148
    ShowsOn
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    This is not a pipe.

    —U

    OK Magritte, let me guess, it’s an em dash and a capital letter u?

  49. 149
    ShowsOn
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    NewsPoll linkage:
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/files/newspoll28oct.pdf

  50. 150
    Generic Person
    Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Still a pretty good result for Turnbull during a time when the PM is guaranteeing everything and throwing around $10.4 billion of pork.

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