HILLARY WOULD’VE WON BY MORE!

peace dude – sorry if I misunderstood you, but I think you’ve misunderstood me also. I reckon Hilary would crush McCain today because of the same economic winds that have blown Obi’s wet sail. Any generic Democrat would win in today’s environment. Where I thought we disagreed was if one were to delete this factor (this is pure speculation now), who would be in a better position to win the General. You think Hilary, I disagree – for some of the (a)-(d) reasons listed in my reply to you. But its really speculative and not the sort of argument where facts are easily available that are likely to convince anyone who feels differently – would you agree with that?

Like I suggested in a prior post, we can agree on this much – its a good day for the US and the rest of the world relative to the last 365 x 8. Let us enjoy that – the action is 2hrs away now, I can’t wait.

Thanks to the others for the John Fahey update. He was the sort of Liberal (in the Aussie sense) that I could easily support… and I hope he is doing well.

States to watch that close first: Virginia, Indiana & Georgia? Followed half an hour later by Nth Carolina & Ohio?

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO FOR 2 HRS…. watch a re-run of Law & Order and The West Wing, I guess!

Over half of New Mexico has already voted.

Early voting was insane in Bernalillo Co. according to the news - CBS, channel 13. That's the one I watch out of ABQ.

Close to 60% of the state already voted.

My grandmother voted today. She is 86 years old. A white woman born to hardscrabble cattle ranchers in the most desolate part of New Mexico. Our ancestry goes back through West and East Texas, through Tennessee, the Cumberland Gap, and Virginia. This side of the family rode in the Texas 2nd Cavalry during the Civil War. A dark reminder for me of my family's past, she still has receipts for slaves that our family owned. Her first husband was killed in the Battle of the Bulge, sacrificing his life like so many other young men. My mother was two months old at the time. My grandmother has voted Republican her entire life, but today she voted for Barack Obama.

I’m cheering for Obama (quietly, I don’t wanna wake the flatmate up), but I’ll only believe Americans will actually vote for a black guy when it actually happens, and not before. Carn Yanks… don’t stuff it up. CARRN.

NOBAMA!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/oliverburkemanblog/2008/nov/04/uselections2008-barackobama

You ar showing sour grapes when statistical facts ar presented that you can not refute Fact is th stats prove all year voters wanted to turf out th Republicons whether you like it or not

You seem to misunderstand th diference between voter sentiment and voter decison to implement that sentiment because of some latent anti Hillary feeling

Had you followed my post acurately you would hav seen th sentiment obviously was there for BOTH Hillary AND Obama ….and th Bush legacy was th compelling reason To suggest otherwise defys normative politcal voter reaction

It was ALSO there in 2007 against Howard , that sentament to change , but Rudd like Hillary got quick conversion to voter intent , and Obama delayed & Obama got his from th bailout….but a good politcal campaign was still nescessary for Rudd as it was there to lose like Obama , and Rudd also got an event (APEC & Interest increase) but still could lose without sticking to th messae & no gaffes

However to convert that sentamant into sufficent decisive swinging vote numbers requires voter confidence in th alternative , lack of gaffes by th politcal alternative and ‘events’ going th alternatives way and against

My listing of hillarys figures was to simply demonstrate that voter strong majority senttiment was already there by voters to vote for a Democrat (so put your negative Hillary hat away)

My listing of Obama was to to suggest th same strong majority sentament to vote for a Democrat must hav been there at that time AS WELL , but was not relfected in comparative polling as he was new and voters need confidence etc (as listed above) to switch/convert there sentament Th polls from June show that did not imbededly occur until th bailout Deal with it In fact so uninbeded was it that th electon was effectively a tie beforeahand for th preceding 10 days

And th bailout & Wall Street financial ruins could not be a greater reason for voters to convert sentament to voting decision

Then as I said it was for Obama’s to lose …and politcaly its not ahrd to lose politcal campaigns …but Obama’s campaign as I said did not put a foot wrong , it was a clever campaign , did not make gaffes and kept on message …”change”…which then had an even more powerful rreality abou it from th Media storys of th bailout & numerrous Banks collapsing

My post simply discussed what changed

Its fantasyland stuff to tink all of a sudden in mid September some mythical Obama speechs cobverted th masses sentament , events and politcal meesages to those events do