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10.48pm. Oregon Senate race still close: Republican incumbent Gordon Smith leads Democrat Jeff Merkley 47.7 per cent to 46.7 per cent with 74 per cent of precincts reporting. Coleman now leads Franken by 676 votes (0.02 per cent) with 99.9 per cent reporting.

9.25pm. An extra 0.3 per cent of precincts in Minnesota have widened Coleman’s lead to 2591.

8.45pm. Norm Coleman back ahead of Franken in Minnesota – by 490 votes, with 98.7 per cent reporting.

7.54pm. Al Franken seizes a late lead for the Minnesota Senate (188,073 to 185,786) with 98 per cent reporting.

7.45pm. All precincts reporting from Missouri, and McCain leads 1,442,577 to 1,436,724. Possum writes in comments that there are not enough contested votes to cover the gap.

6.29pm. MSNBC calls Indiana for Obama. Only Missouri and North Carolina still outstanding.

6.26pm. Missouri has gone right back down to the wire with 0.7 per cent still to report: McCain 1,426,779, Obama 1,426,381.

6.06pm. With all precincts reporting, Obama leads in North Carolina by 12,160 votes out of over 4.2 million (0.2 per cent cent).

5.57pm. Earlier chat suggested Republican Senator Ted Stevens was dead meat in Alaska, but he leads 49.4-45.4 with 37 per cent reporting. Partial counts can be misleading though.

5.50pm. Back to lineball in Minnesota Senate. Analyst on Fox News says outstanding precincts are likely to favour Republican incumbent Norm Coleman over Al Franken.

5.16pm. McCain hanging on to his slender lead in Missouri, which is looming as my only wrong call.

5.11pm. McCain now ahead in Montana.

5.00pm. Al Franken continuing to fade in Minnesota Senate – probably gone now.

4.46pm. Obama’s lead in Montana rapidly evaporating as the count proceeds to 51 per cent.

4.36pm. Ohio still quite tight: Obama leads 50.0-48.4 with 72 per cent reporting.

4.31pm. Oregon Senate race has tightened up considerably: within 1 per cent now.

4.11pm. My reading of the Senate: Democrats to gain seven Senate seats – Colorado, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Virginia, Oregon, North Carolina and Alaska (no actual votes yet from the latter) – or eight if Al Franken wins Minnesota, where he trails by 0.8 per cent with 53 per cent counted.

4.09pm. Norm Coleman now leads Al Franken by 0.8 per cent for Minnesota Senate.

4.07pm. Obama now with a relatively handy 0.6 per cent lead in North Carolina.

3.55pm. Obama back in front in North Carolina, but not going to win Missouri. I’ve only just noticed he’s looking a surprise winner in Montana, although with only 24 per cent counted.

3.32pm. Correct me if I’m wrong here somebody, but the Democrats stand to gain seven Senate seats – Colorado, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Virginia, Oregon, North Carolina and Alaska – eight if Al Franken wins Minnesota.

3.17pm. McCain concedes defeat.

3.14pm. Close as close can be between Norm Coleman and Al Franken for Minnesota Senate.

3.10pm. Fox reports Roger Wicker holds Mississippi Senate seat for the Republicans, ending the chances of a Democrat supermajority.

2.59pm. CNN calls the election for Obama.

2.58pm. Obama takes the lead in Indiana.

2.54pm. McCain strengthening in North Carolina and Missouri.

2.51pm. Fox reports Virginia went 60-39 to McCain among white voters, but 92-8 among black voters.

2.42pm. McCain’s lead has vanished in Missouri: now 49.4-49.3.

2.41pm. Franken in fact leads Republican incumbent Norm Coleman 43-40.

2.40pm. Fox calls Virginia for Obama. Al Franken reportedly looking good for Minnesota Senate.

2.37pm. Obama leads in New Mexico 50.1-48.7 with less than half of dominant Bernalillo County reporting, where Obama is leading 57.3-41.5.

2.33pm. Crikey blog commenter Stuart: “Wilson and Franklin in North Carolina unreported. Wilson =44000 people total, 47% black. Franklin 2000 in total people 95% white. Looking good for O.”

2.32pm. McCain now narrowly ahead in North Carolina.

2.20pm. McCain leads by 12,839 in Indiana, but extrapolating unreported precincts from Lake County suggests Obama stands to gain over 22,000 votes.

2.18pm. Still tight in Florida, North Carolina and Virginia, but Obama has a handy lead in each case with most precincts reporting. North Carolina his weakest of the three.

2.16pm. Missouri bouncing around the place, but McCain’s lead currently at 2.6 per cent.

2.12pm. McCain’s lead in Missouri reflating.

2.04pm. McCain’s lead in Missouri is narrowing.

2.01pm. Obama narrowly ahead in Florida, North Carolina and Virginia (in ascending order of narrowness).

1.59pm. Fox calls Iowa for Obama.

1.58pm. Obama takes the lead in Virginia.

1.50pm. Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight calls the election for Obama.

1.47pm. CNN calls New Mexico for Obama.

1.33pm. Gap continues to close in Virginia, Obama now only 0.5 per cent behind.

1.25pm. McCain fairly well ahead in Missouri, but nobody’s calling it yet.

1.21pm. Discussion of Indiana on Fox: “central city plus rich suburbs” emerging as the “Obama alliance”, but rural areas holding relatively well for McCain.

1.17pm. Fox calls Ohio for Obama.

1.09pm. Nate Silver: “MSNBC and Fox call Georgia for McCain.”

1.00pm. Fox calls North Dakota for McCain.

12.46pm. Nate Silver on Virginia: “Obama is outperforming Kerry by a 12-15 point net in the Eastern half of the Virginia. In the Western half, he’s not performing much better than Kerry and is actually underperfoming him in some counties. I think that equation works out favorably for Obama on balance, though Virginia will be fairly close.”

12.28pm. Heavily populated Florida counties Orange and Polk are swinging double digits to Obama, blowing away those weaker rural results I was mentioning earlier.

12.12pm. Possum says: “PA has gone Dem, VA has gone Dem – election over”. Adam Carr says: “It’s true that the FL panhandle hasn’t reported yet, but Obama is leading in Orlando and St Petersburg, which are GOP towns. You’d think he’ll win FL from here. Note also Obama’s 75% in Broward – the Jews stuck with Obama despite Lieberman’s defection.”

12.08pm. Discussing Virginia on CNN, confirming the impression that early reporting precincts are rural and we haven’t seen any black areas in the big cities come in. I’m only seeing slight swings to the Democrats in the rural areas.

11.53am. Swings I’m seeing in Florida are also below par: 4.0 per cent in Lake, 2.4 per cent in Manatee, 4.1 per cent in Pinellas. He needs 5.0 per cent.

11.45am. Another substantially reporting Virginia county, Augusta, swinging inadequately to Obama by 5.7 per cent. However, the cities and DC outskirts might tell a different story.

11.37am. Culpeper and Amherst counties in Viriginia swinging 5.1 and 1.8 per cent, against required swing of 8.3 per cent.

11.33am. Manatee County in Florida swinging 2.4 per cent to Democrat – statewide margin is 5.0 per cent.

11.26am. Double digit swings in more counties in Indiana (Clinton, Fayette), but Obama needs 20 per cent across the state.

11.21am. Chesterfield County in Virginia swings 8.9 per cent to Democrat with 94 per cent reporting – the statewide margin in 2004 was 8.2 per cent.

11.09am. Reasonably consistent swings in rural counties in Indiana of around 10 per cent – good, but well short of what Obama would need to win the state if consistent.

10.58am. Swing in Steuben County, Indiana with 68 per cent of precincts reporting is 8.9 per cent: well short of the 20 per cent needed to win the state.

10.52am. 69 per cent of precincts reporting in Vigo County, Indiana – Obama leads by 16 per cent. Bush carried it by 6.4 per cent in 2004 (I’ll be double-posting here on special occasions).

10am. Further efforts will be concentrated above.

4am AEDT. Rain and gusty winds in North Carolina, with rain extending into Virginia. Storms through the north-west, bringing snow to Nevada and Colorado. Weather otherwise very good: fine and warm in Florida and throughout the south, fine and mild through the north-east to the mid-west. You’ll next hear from me at around 9.30am AEDT.

Obama McCain Sample D-EV R-EV
Washington 56.4 39.6 3322 11
Maine 56.5 40.5 2185 4
Minnesota 56.0 41.9 3270 10
Michigan 56.3 42.3 3232 17
New Mexico 57.0 43.2 3305 5
New Hampshire 54.9 41.9 3900 4
Iowa 54.1 41.6 3052 7
Wisconsin 53.3 42.3 3003 10
Colorado 54.8 44.7 3248 9
Pennsylvania 53.0 43.3 5479 21
Nevada 51.6 45.4 3168 5
Virginia 51.9 45.8 3382 13
Ohio 50.5 46.3 6490 20
Florida 49.9 46.8 5381 27
North Dakota 47.6 45.9 1706 3
Montana 48.6 47.6 3934 3
Missouri 49.8 48.8 3217 11
North Carolina 50.0 49.3 5582 15
Indiana 48.5 48.9 3834 11
Georgia 47.8 50.1 3248 15
West Virginia 43.9 54.3 3328 5
Others - - - 175 137
RCP/Total 51.9 44.4 - 370 168

1,508 Comments

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  1. 1201
    Gusface
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Humphrey B Bear is a better communicator than george bush

  2. 1202
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    No 1195

    With a competent speechwriter she can be fantastic, as she was at the convention. She could be good at impromptu if she cured her ignorance.

    No 1189

    Adam, even I accept Bush was an idiot. So yes, Obama is already an improvement. But is averagely competent a good enough standard for the 60 million people who voted for him?

  3. 1203
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Norm Coleman back in front in Minnesota.

  4. 1204
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    No 1175

    After Corpse’s corrupt government, that should be expected.

  5. 1205
    ltep
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Yes juliem, I have mostly always lived in Labor seats or seats that have turned Labor too. Federally in Cowan, Eden-Monaro and now Canberra. State/territory level Kingsley, Monaro and Molonglo.

    For a brief time though I lived in Curtin. Perhaps if I’d stayed living there the seat would’ve gone Labor!

  6. 1206
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    The only way Palin will be around in 2012 as a realistic candidate is if she moves to the centre.

    The ‘Liberal’ voters went 88-10 for BO; Conservatives went only 78-20 for McCain (so much for Palin firing up the base…) and Moderates went for BO 60-39…
    http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1

  7. 1207
    Glen
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html

    The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace

    “Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.”

    “Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country’s current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.”

    “The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.”

    Bush will be out of the White House in Janurary…show some respect, he’s not an idiot, he deserves respect just as Obama does. The man won 2 terms as President, he made some good and decisions and some bad ones but all Presidents do.
    Get over it!

  8. 1208
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    The only way Palin will be around in 2012 as a realistic candidate is if she moves to the centre.

    Good, she could start by denouncing young earth creationism.

    and Moderates went for BO 60-39…

    There’s the win right there.

  9. 1209
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.”

    Where in the U.S. constitution is there a “respect the president” clause?

  10. 1210
    ltep
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    No Glen, Bush is an idiot. I can’t think of a single useful thing he’s done.

  11. 1211
    Glen
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    It demeans you that you cannot or will not see anything Bush has done as positive.

    ShowsOn while it isnt written, they do deserve respect.

  12. 1212
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    No Glen, Bush is an idiot. I can’t think of a single useful thing he’s done.

    He dramatically increased donations for anti-HIV medication in Africa.

    But of course he then undermined this by sending “abstinence only” sex education evangelists there.

  13. 1213
    Gusface
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    shows
    the patriot act?

  14. 1214
    Dario
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    I can’t think of a single useful thing he’s done

    Help get Obama elected?

  15. 1215
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Unlike in a monarchy, in a democracy respect has to be earned. I have a great deal of respect for McCain, who has served his country well in war and peace. Bush was a shirker during Vietnam while McCain was being tortured, had his daddy pay for his earlier career, and cheated his way into the White House, where he proved to be totally incompetent.

  16. 1216
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Yes on Missouri was 310, 328, 2 of 3 @ 338, 1 @ 349, 350 & all guesses greater than 353.

  17. 1217
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    It demeans you that you cannot or will not see anything Bush has done as positive.

    READ POST 1212!

    ShowsOn while it isnt written, they do deserve respect.

    You are failing to differentiate between respecting the OFFICE of President, and respecting a particular PERSON who is president.

    The idea that you must respect particular PEOPLE who only temporarily hold the office is anti democratic and iliberal. It is the sort of thing that Republican government was invented to get rid of (not being able to make fun of kings and queens).

  18. 1218
    Inner Westie
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    @ 1201

    Was that before or after Humphrey’s drug phase?

    A line from Faulty Towers comes to mind. Cybil to the dodgy builder O’Reilly: “I have seen more intelligent creatures than you lying on their backs at the bottoms of ponds. I have seen better organized creatures than you running round farmyards with their heads cut off.”

  19. 1219
    Dario
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s national vote now just half a million behind Bush’s tally of 4 years ago, with 6% of precincts still to report

  20. 1220
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Palin would be half competent if she actually made a proper effort to get out of her comfort zone

    Wow half competent – way to set that bar low GP…

  21. 1221
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Was that before or after Humphrey’s drug phase?

    I thought he was always on drugs, hence he always forgets to put pants on.

  22. 1222
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    No 1211

    Glen, I can respect his achievement of becoming the president, but there is really nothing of major note that he can put to his name. Fair enough, no president since the second world war had to deal with an attack on home soil which killed thousands. But his subsequent actions have left the government coffers in tatters and defied traditional conservative principles. The US economy is also a disaster.

  23. 1223
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    No 1220

    Figure of speech Grog.

  24. 1224
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    McCain received around 54.5 million votes, which is still astonishing

  25. 1225
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Fair enough, no president since the second world war had to deal with an attack on home soil which killed thousands.

    His inability to stop a major terrorist attack on home soil must be considered one of his biggest blunders.

    The very first responsibility of any government is to defend its citizens.

  26. 1226
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Gotta love this from a Repub supporter from Phoenix:

    "It's terrible, just terrible," said Lindsay Diamond from Phoenix. "When the economy's bad, Republicans lose."

    The 28-year-old dancer could take some consolation from Senator Obama's victory though. "I don't think we'll have to worry about another African-American president in four years time," she said.

    "Because after what's going to happen in the next four years under Senator Obama, we'll never elect an African-American again."

    Gee, now what is wrong with your party?
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24607143-23109,00.html

  27. 1227
    Gusface
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    I heard he was a funny othello

    boom boom

  28. 1228
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone seen full national presidential voting figures with all the minor candidates as well?

  29. 1229
    Glen
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Bush got rid of Saddam Hussien that’s not a bad effort.

  30. 1230
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Glen @ 1207,

    Get over it!

    Believe you me, I am SO SO SO over it :-D …….. no worries there at all, mate

  31. 1231
    Glen
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn, Bill Clinton also failed with respect to the 1993 bombings of the WTC.

    But Since 9/11 no 9/11 style terrorist attacks on US soil have occured.

  32. 1232
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink
    The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.”

    Where in the U.S. constitution is there a “respect the president” clause?
    1210 ltep
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink
    No Glen, Bush is an idiot. I can’t think of a single useful thing he’s done.

    ltep, ShowsOn : go to the head of the class :) …. You are smarter than Rove’s 5th graders :-D …….

  33. 1233
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn, Bill Clinton also failed with respect to the 1993 bombings of the WTC.

    Did 3000 people die that day?

  34. 1234
    Centre
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Glen is just upset that Howard sucked Bush’s butt and now they are going to name a sewage plant after him. Priceless!

  35. 1235
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Figure of speech Grog.

    Freudian slip?

    more gems from Repub supporters in Phoenix:

    "I'm very disappointed because I don't believe Senator Obama is telling the truth when he speaks to the crowds," said Jeanette Woodward. "And the press has been very biased. We don't get the truth."

    Jeanette did admit she watched only Fox News, so expecting the truth was acking a bit much

    "I'm frightened because we are in the tax bracket that he's been talking about punishing. So we are going to have to let go some of our employees and cut back on our business now.

    "My husband says that if he knew that he was gonna work that hard for 30 years for somebody else, he wouldn't have worked so hard."

    Afterwards her husband admitted that he only really worked hard half the time, and the rest he spent shootin the breeze with his buddy Hank

  36. 1236
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    No 1225

    I don’t think that is fair.

  37. 1237
    BH
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Adam – I’m surprised that you think Palin could ever be in the running. Most women I have spoken to find her quite frighteningly ignorant. Her views are too fundamentalist.

    The way she incited the crowd to yell ‘kill obama’ was appalling. She would do or say anything to get elected and that is not what we want. I think the Dems could have had a field day with her record but they chose to take the path of decency and go only after the policies. Palin would stop at nothing.
    Nah, Adam, she looks terrific but she is a long way from what the majority of we womenfolk see as being Presidential material.

    Thanks Julie for your terrific contribution – Perth is a beautiful city and we will look to you to help change it to Kev010 territory.

  38. 1238
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Dario,

    Dario
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
    I can’t think of a single useful thing he’s done

    Help get Obama elected?

    You can move right on up there with ltep and ShowsOn

    Good on ya, all 3 of you :)

  39. 1239
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    ltep, ShowsOn : go to the head of the class :) …. You are smarter than Rove’s 5th graders :-D …….

    I think it is a fundamental right in any democracy to challenge, dispute, mock or take the piss out of anything.

    As soon as a government decides to curb any of those things, then they are trying to control one’s thoughts. Any government that does that is by definition despotic and corrupt.

  40. 1240
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    No 1235

    "My husband says that if he knew that he was gonna work that hard for 30 years for somebody else, he wouldn't have worked so hard."

    Nothing untoward about that comment.

  41. 1241
    Ron
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Well i’ve been working th bush telegrapgh to no avail re how many of these MO provisions there ar and if (unlikely) already counted , so am now erelying on my sparring friend up in tree for th info

    Now first , heard McCain speak , and for those that were naughty about him over th past month to which i defended McCain strongly as a decent & fair standards guy and not a Bush and not a Bush 111 but a least Republicon of Republicons you’d find elegible at time …perhaps listen to Mccains concession bit & reconsider your views , looking from my side of th isles : a maverick on policys , and a negotiator over Party lines is a plus in a pollie (but his republicon thoughts naturally I disagree with) but better in even some of his views than often presented here …terrible campaign though

    Tink Palin could be 2012 candidate , knows how to campaign very well & get messages accross to peoples which i was assailed about when i suggested that …but as I saids many times she beat th incumbant Republicon Governor in th Republicon ‘primary’ for th right to contest th Governorship and then beat th immediate past Democrat Govenor to win th Governorship …so tink that shows she has th campaign & politcal goods there

    but on policy hell to be credible at all with voters has to convert from CC skeptic to CC love in , learn FA and its nuances by travel & tutoring and somehow dustbin alot of those very consevative social idealologies otherwise no chance of winning Independents and so Obama would win easily Other queston is “politcaly is she ‘damaged’ in voters perseptions now Then Pawlenty is an option but beating an incumbant needs alot of luck including th incumant somewhat imploding

  42. 1242
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    No 1225

    I don’t think that is fair.

    Noted for future reference.

  43. 1243
    Diogenes
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Stevens is up by 4,000 with 96% reporting. That has to be the most ridiculous win I can ever remember in any election.

  44. 1244
    juliem
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    BH, what part of the greater metro Perth area are you in?

  45. 1245
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    No 1237

    She got dirty because she couldn’t engage in a proper policy debate. The Republicans understood that after her embarrassing Katie Couric interview. Going dirty is what you do when you can’t win policy arguments. Having said that, if she improved her ways, became a little educated in the ways of the world outside of Wasilla, she could very well be a formidable opponent in 2012.

  46. 1246
    ltep
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    It’s a bit extreme blaming Bush for terrorist attacks.

    Blaming Bush for the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians is another matter.

  47. 1247
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    "My husband says that if he knew that he was gonna work that hard for 30 years for somebody else, he wouldn't have worked so hard."

    Nothing untoward about that comment.

    So after 30 years he’s only just found out about taxation? Obama hasn’t even taken office, and he’s getting the blame for all the tax this guy paid over the last 30 years?

    And btw the tax bracket they’re talking about is $250k+. Hardly struggling…

  48. 1248
    Generic Person
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    No 1242

    ShowsOn, where is your evidence that Bush failed to prevent the attack? I mean come on…criticise all you want for everything he did after 9/11, but I don’t think it is fair or appropriate to blame him for the attack after being in office for less than 9 months.

    What was Clinton doing all those years prior to stop the heinous mass murder?

  49. 1249
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    The way she incited the crowd to yell ‘kill obama’ was appalling.

    No such thing happened. This was a media exaggeration which has now turned into permanent mythology. ONE person yelled “kill him” and he was referring to Bill Ayres, not Obama.

  50. 1250
    Gusface
    Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    “Going dirty is what you do when you can’t win policy arguments”

    straight out of the fibs fed election hanbook eh GP?

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