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12.40am. If the election had been single-member first-past-the-post on current boundaries, the result would have been National 41 seats, Labour 21, Maori 5, minor parties 3. Make that preferential, and give Labour 75 per cent of Greens preferences and split the others evenly, and there’s little change: National 40, Labour 22, Maori 5, minor parties 3.

10.55pm. Regarding that ninth Green Party seat, Antony Green writes: “Unlike Australia, they do not count special (absent, postal etc) votes progressively, but as a lump in about 12 days time. It will be two weeks before they do the final allocation of seats.” Strong Green performance on special votes has been a notable feature of past elections.

10.45pm. Green Party leader Jeanette Fitzsimons addressing supporters. Haven’t mentioned them much because the result has left them marginalised. The party has gained two seats, from six to eight, although Fitzsimons is holding out for an ninth. Not bad, but less than the polls had indicated.

10.38pm. Labour and NZ First principals venting about the media, in time-honoured fashion.

10.33pm. Peter Dunne confirmed in his speech 10 minutes ago that he would back a National government, and there’s no doubt left that that’s what we’ll be seeing.

10.28pm. However, Labour has taken the lead in Christchurch Central, where they trailed earlier after winning by 23.7 per cent in 2005 – though I can’t speak for redistribution effects.

10.20pm. Nikki Kaye has won for National in Auckland Central, in what seems to be the biggest electorate seat boilover. Labour won by 9.3 per cent in 2005, presumably on different boundaries.

10.14pm. Remember that when Elections NZ says 90 per cent counted, they mean 90 per cent of booths counted. The ones outstanding are presumably big ones, mostly in Auckland. So the current 45.6-33.6 gap might narrow a little further than you’d think.

10.01pm. Peter Dunne home and hosed in Ohariu, Maori seats now definitely 5-2. Only question is how things are looking beyond 61 seats. National still slowly losing ground, but will win at least 58 seats, ACT NZ looking very good for five, maybe only four if they’re unlucky. No question that we’ll be seeing a National-ACT NZ government.

9.48pm. Antony: “The best estimate I see for the new Parliament is 58 National, 5 ACT plus Peter Dunne – Right with 64, then 44 Labor, 8 Green, Jim Anderton, giving the Left 53, plus 5 Maori. 122 seat Parliament.” Third on the ACT NZ list is Roger Douglas, Treasurer in David Lange’s Labour government in the 1980s famed for his free-market reforms, who could well be back in cabinet.

9.45pm. National vote edges down enough to cost them a seat, so make that National 59 and ACT NZ 5.

9.37pm. We’re likely looking at an overhang of two, so 61 will be a majority with an independent Speaker. Current figures suggest National 60 and ACT NZ five, although the former are fading a little.

9.33pm. Little change in Te Tai Tonga with a big advance in the vote, so the Maori seats are firming up as five Maori Party and two Labour Party, with a very remote possibility that Labour might yet make that 4-3 with Te Tai Tonga.

9.30pm. Big advance in the Ohariu count, but the vote has changed very little, so Peter Dunne should be home.

9.28pm. National Party down to 46.7 per cent with 56 per cent counted, so the prospect of majority government is diminishing.

9.21pm. Antony sticking with his 45-35 prediction.

9.20pm. New Zealand First surely gone now, fading to 4.3 per cent with 47.4 counted.

9.19pm. Labour beginning to gain a little on the National Party as the southern Auckland vote comes in.

9.18pm. Maori seats. Labour home in Ikaroa-Rawhiti; probably done enough in Hauraki-Waikato; only slightly behind in Te Tai Tonga 44.2 to 41.8 per cent, but with 60.3 counted the Maori Party candidate is probably home. Other four seats held by the Maori Party.

9.15pm. Local observers excited the National candidate is ahead in Auckland Central, and in the hunt in Christchurch Central.

9.13pm. Silly woman on Radio New Zealand complaining that UNZF and Progressive Party are in parliament with a small share of the national vote. Of all the criticisms to make of MMP …

9.11pm. Peter Dunne back down from 33.2 to 32.6 per cent in Ohariu with 26.1 per cent. Still likely to win with Labour second on 29.7 per cent, though worth keeping an eye on. It’s probably only his own seat that’s at stake: party’s national vote is 0.9 per cent, whereas they would need at least 1.5 per cent for a second seat (more if NZ First makes the threshold).

9.04pm. National vote count up to 34 per cent, and the National vote still a strong 47.8 per cent. However, ACT NZ is looking at five seats and far the most likely result is a National-ACT coalition. Antony Green discusses talk of Peter Dunne being made Speaker.

8.58pm. Count in Ohariu up to 19.6, Peter Dunne gains a bit of ground from 32.1 to 33.2.

8.54pm. Antony: “Really looking like National 45%, Labour 35% at this stage. National plus ACT still looking at just reaching a majority.”

8.53pm. Commentators on 3News expect NZ First to lose ground when special votes are admitted.

8.51pm. Assuming NZ First don’t pull a rabbit out of the hat, it’s looking like the vote for excluded parties will be 6.5 per cent, meaning the National Party will need a bit under 47 per cent to get a majority.

8.50pm. Labour looking increasingly safe in the Maori seat of Ikaroa-Rawhiti, leading 51.3 to 41.6 with 28.2 reporting.

8.44pm. Antony confirms that the booth votes should even up the vote in the terms I suggested earlier, to about 45-35 in favour of the National Party. Booths currently coming in are very small ones. City booths later on should see Labour and the Green Party go up (from 31.3 and 6.3 at present, to the National Party’s 48.7).

8.43pm. Jim Anderton has opened up a handy lead in Wigram, 42.4 per cent to 32.4 per cent National.

8.42pm. 15.2 per cent of booths in from Ohariu, and Peter Dunne has faded a little further to 32.1 per cent, against 29.2 per cent Labour and 28.3 per cent National.

8.35pm. Maori Party still looking good in Te Tai Tonga, leaving two of the seven in doubt but favouring Labour.

8.29pm. Labour still looking good in the Maori seat of Ikaroa-Rawhiti: leading 49.7 to 43.7 with 12.9 counted (that’s 12.9 per cent of booths, not votes).

8.27pm. No great change in Ohariu with count up from 4.3 to 8.7 per cent.

8.21pm. Commentator on Radio NZ makes the point that the higher NZ First gets without crossing the threshold, the lower the vote the National Party needs for an absolute majority. At present the NZ First is almost exactly where the National Party would want it – 4.5 per cent.

8.17pm. Count in Ohariu up from 4.3 per cent to 6.5 per cent, and Peter Dunne is up from 33.2 per cent

8.15pm. Much as we saw in ACT, we appear to be in a lull between the entry of “advance” votes and booth votes in significant numbers.

8.10pm. Peter Dunne of United Future NZ is down on raw figures from 45.9 per cent to 33.2 per cent in Ohariu with 4.3 per cent counted. He may have suffered from the redistribution which changed the name of his seat from Ohariu-Belmont. At the moment it’s a tight three-horse race: Dunne 1197, National 1032, Labour 1001.

8.03pm. Antony: “The advance votes tell us National will win. But did the gap between National and Labor tighten at the end of the campaign? If it did, then it might be closer. Will Labor plus the Greens come close to National plus ACT? It doesn’t look like Peter Dunne or Jim Anderton will do anyhting other than elect themselves.”

7.58pm. No change in Maori seats: the Maori Party leads in five, but trails slightly in Ikaroa-Räwhiti and Hauraki-Waikato.

7.50pm. Antony on the advance vote: “in 2005, Labor rose from 36.8% to 41.1% at the end of the count, National from 43.5% to 39.1%, Green 4.8% to 5.3%, NZ First 6.1% to 5.7%, United NZ 3.0% to 2.7%, Maori 1.6% to 2.1%.” Does that mean the current raw figures of National 49, Labour 31.5, Green 6, NZF 4.5 should be adjusted to National 44.5, Labour 36, Green 6.5 and NZF 4?

7.48pm. Winston Peters now getting thrashed in Tauranga, and NZ First national vote has faded a little to 4.6 per cent with 4.6 per counted.

7.45pm. ACT NZ on 3.3 per cent so far, and I imagine would go higher with big Auckland booths, compared with 1.5 per cent (two seats) in 2005.

7.41pm. TVNZ projecting a slight National Party majority with 63 seats out of 123, the remainder going 40 Labour, 8 Greens, 6 Maori, 4 ACT New Zealand, one each for Progressive and United Future New Zealand. Even if the National Party is reined in a little from here, they could surely rely on backing from ACT NZ.

7.34pm. Antony (hell, just read his blog): “Models are looking better for Labor than the raw vote, but still not enough to prevent a change of government.”

7.30pm. Antony reckons we’re in for “quite a wait” to see if the National Party wins a majority – but if those are the stakes, it seems there’s very little prospect of any kind of Labour government being formed.

7.28pm. However, Labour leads 730-632 in Ikaroa-Räwhiti. Maori leads of varying sizes in the other five.

7.26pm. Antony projects five of seven Maori seats going to the Maori Party, but the first one I’ve looked at is the one reckoned Labour’s best chance of hanging on (Hauraki-Waikato), and Labour’s lead is only 490-475.

7.24pm. Antony Green reports: “Early models are matching votes up in line with current percentages, which would point to a National majority government.”

7.19pm. Very early results provide hope for NZ First: they’re bobbing around the threshold mark, and Winston Peters leads in Tauranga 236 votes to 224.

7.18pm. National vote with 3 per cent counted: National 49, Labour 32, Green 6 per cent, NZ First 4.5 per cent.

7.17pm. Jim Anderton comfortably ahead in Wigram with 2 of 64 booths reporting.

7.15pm. Peter Dunne only slightly ahead in Ohariu, with 2 of 46 booths reporting.

7.12pm. Antony Green says the “first advance votes” are in line with the polls: National high 40s, Labour mid-to-high 30s, Greens 7 per cent, NZ First 3.8 per cent.

7.10pm. It doesn’t look like they’re providing booth-level figures for tonight’s count either, which pretty much leaves us completely in the dark. In 2005 the early count looked diabolical for Labour to the untrained eye, but that was because rural booths were coming in early. If any media outlets are making the effort to match booth results, I would be pleased if someone could bring it to my attention.

7.02pm. Curses to the NZ Electoral Commission, which claims to have CSV files of booth-level results from 2005 on its site – but all the links are broken. Let’s hope it gets a lot better from here.

7.00pm. A quick guide for beginners. New Zealand has a proportional representation electoral system, which normally means the non-local observer need look no further than the national vote. However, mixed-member proportional brings the complication that minor parties must clear one of two hurdles to win seats proportional to their vote share: either they must win 5 per cent of the national vote, or win at least one constituency seat. The minor parties in play are:

  • The Green Party, who current polling suggests are sure to clear 5 per cent. Notwithstanding party leader Jeanette Fitzsimons’ win in Coromandel in 1999, they will probably need to.
  • New Zealand First, closely associated with its troubled leader Winston Peters and presumably in big trouble. Peters lost his constituency seat of Tuaranga in 2005, but his party scored 5.7 per cent of the national vote despite a 4.7 per cent swing. In spite of everything, Peters might have some hope of recovering Tauranga with the retirement of one-term National Party MP Bob Clarkson.
  • The Maori Party, believed likely to capture most of the seven dedicated Maori electorates (it currently has four), potentially causing a significant overhang (see below).
  • ACT New Zealand, the free-market party led by Rodney Hide, who retained his seat of Epsom in 2005 with 42.3 per cent of the vote against the National Party’s 33.7 per cent.
  • United Future New Zealand, led by Peter Dunne, who is very likely to be re-elected in his seat of Ohariu.
  • Progressive Party, led by veteran Jim Anderton who polled 46.6 per cent in his seat of Wigram in 2005.

In normal circumstances, the parliament will consist of 63 general electorates, seven Maori electorates and 50 list seats. However, these numbers can be increased in the event of an overhang, which occurs if a party wins more constituency seats than it would normally get from its share of the national vote. This is almost certain to be true of the Maori Party, which might win as many as seven seats despite having a national vote of between 2 and 3 per cent according to the polls. The Progressive Party constituency seat is also likely to be won from a negligible national vote that wouldn’t account for a seat. Taken together, that could lead to an overhang of between two and five seats, for a total of up to 125 seats rather than 120. As such, attention here will be focused on the national vote; Tauranga, Epsom, Ohariu and Wigram; and the Maori electorates.

6.10pm (NZ time). Welcome to my live coverage of the New Zealand election count. I’m getting in early here to advertise the fact that I’m doing this – polls in New Zealand do not in fact close until 7pm.

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  • 1
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Shy Noos is covering the election from 5.00pm AEDT.

  • 2
    ltep
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Good work Mr Bowe. I will make sure to check back from time to time. I suspect this will be an end for Labour’s hold over NZ. The interesting question will be who they turn to after 15 years with Helen Clark.

  • 3
    juliem
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Agreed, ltep. I think that Glen’s horse will win by a country mile ……

  • 4
    bob1234
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    The electoral system makes it quite hard to pick who’ll win, Clark is a master at coalition building. If the Nationals don’t get a majority of seats which going by polls they will struggle to do, it could go either way.

  • 5
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Clark is a master at coalition building.

    Five headed monster!!!

    Also, thanks Bird of Paradox for the Gallagher Index link. Exactly what I was thinking of.

  • 6
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    I think we shall have a repeat of our 2007 election.

    Key should romp it home if the polls are anything to believe.

    I hope NZ First get thrown out.

    National should be able to govern by the end of the night with ACT and United Future and if it is a complete rout Key may be able to govern without them, but that would require something special.

    ahhhh finally an election i can look forward to lol!

  • 7
    Scott Sims
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    I reckon the Labour vote is underestimated and the National Vote will come down.
    Hoping for Nats/UF/ACT to have less than a majority!

  • 8
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Come off it Glen, we gave you the WA election. Don’t be greedy. LOL

  • 9
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Ah well, at least we still don’t have Howard.

    During his last few years I used to joke “We should move to NZ”. I guess it’ll be the conservatives saying that now.

  • 10
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Apparently there have been isolated instances in the past where one party or other has been tipped to win easily, according to the polls, and have come up well short. Who knows. I wouldn’t be betting on the result though.

  • 11
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    I can live with Key. Howard and Bush 3 would have been too much.

  • 12
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Who knows. I wouldn’t be betting on the result though.

    A bit depressing that the Roy Morgan poll is the best we have to hope for.

  • 13
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Gary but you had NT, ACT and the Presidency of the USA that counts!

    All we have had it Italy, Canada and now hopefully NZ.

    lol

    The Nats were predicted to win last time in 2005 but they fell short…they are far ahead than they were in the polls in 2005 so i still think National will win.

  • 14
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Poll closing time!
    Yay!

  • 15
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I think you’re right Glen, Key should win. With their system it’s just not as certain as some elections.

  • 16
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I got the time on the dot!
    Yay!

  • 17
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    That is true Gary, MMP is a little out of the ordinary.

    It makes it awfully hard to govern in a majority.

  • 18
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Streams?

  • 19
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Some votes are in:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_minisite_index_skin/news_election_08_group

    No idea how many.

    National in the lead on 44%.

  • 20
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Im not getting too excited as i was in 2005 i thought Brash was in like Flynn until the South Auckland votes came in and bam National were gone.

  • 21
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Nats on 45%
    Labour on 35%

    0.6% counted….very early days

  • 22
    bob1234
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Have the non-conservative parties in Aus, NZ, UK, and the US ever been in power at the same time?

  • 23
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Interesting question. Damn you Canada, ruined the left-wing Anglo alliance. Would’ve been a cool 4 days.

  • 24
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Possibly, Churchill, Menzies, Eisenhower and maybe if National were in Government in the 50s sometime i guess maybe then in the 50s.

  • 25
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    National on 48% of the vote
    Labour 32%

    1.7% counted whoooo

  • 26
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I’m listening to Radio New Zealand. Is anyone out there keeping a particular eye on other outlets, who could take on the job of telling us what they’re saying?

  • 27
    Scott Sims
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    None of the streams are working!

  • 28
    bob1234
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    “Would’ve been a cool 4 days.”

    Bear in mind Bush and the Republicans are still the incumbents in the US.

  • 29
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/partystatus.html
    http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/

  • 30
    juliem
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    With NZ’s population less than Australia and well and truely less than the US :-D how long does it take to “count” the votes? I understand that horsetrading and so on goes on after the fact for alliances, etc. over a period of days (probably not dissimilar to the amount of time it took the ACT to figure out what they were going to do?) but how long on average to count the raw votes?

  • 31
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Antony Green also says:

    7:12 – first model makes this election look close. TVNZ will publish the numbers soon at which point I can let you in on the battle.

    Yes the streams are dead.

    TVNZ is rubbish. They only have percentages of each party, not even the total counted or anything else.

    NZHerald has 0% for everything, lol

  • 32
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    3.3% counted
    National 49% and with projected 65 seats…an absolute majority.

    If things keep up this good they wont need ACT or United Future.

  • 33
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    1945-1949 From the election of Attlee`s Labour to the defeat of Labour in New Zealand.

    Labour in Australia till just after that and Truman in the White House.

  • 34
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Am I right in thinking the Maori Party are expected to win all seven Maori seats except Hauraki-Waikato, where Labour’s Nanaia Mahuta might hold on? Are other seats thought in doubt?

  • 35
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    If things keep up this good they wont need ACT or United Future.

    Keys said he’ll put people from both in his cabinet regardless. Whether he will or not is a different story.

  • 36
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    elections nz had them (maori) on 5 projected seats…

  • 37
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Julie, each booth does its own count, so the total vote shouldn’t be much quicker than an Australian election: their big booths are only slightly smaller than ours.

  • 38
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    The early results would be small booths wouldn`t they?

    Which I would guess would favour National.

  • 39
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Btw these figures include 184,000 advance votes.

    Labor has narrowed the gap somewhat since then. Well according to Roy Morgan at least.

  • 40
    Scott Sims
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Sigh, not a single online working stream. Just Radio National.

  • 41
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Still to have Labour barely on 30% is not a good sign for later on.
    National are pushing 50%…

  • 42
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Would you trust Morgan?

  • 43
    steve
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Antony Green blogging here;

    http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/

  • 44
    bob1234
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    We can have Canada and NZ as the token examples that the conservatives can do no better, and infact probably worse, in the current global economic turmoil.

    I think the same way about WA. It’s all good and well to call a government incompetent, but when the other side isn’t running the show anywhere, it’s a very easy and misleading claim to make.

    After a term of the WA Liberals, people will be able to compare. Two problems however, in that the WA Nationals will moderate them somewhat, and WA is flush with cash before and after their election due to the mining.

  • 45
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    BRIDGES, Simon (NAT) ahead by 1841 votes from Winston Peters in Tauranga…not looking good for NZ First.

  • 46
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    From what I’m hearing on Sky last election National lead comfortably at this stage too.

  • 47
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    But they are all in one time zone (except for the odd small territory which are to the East and in earlier time zones) with no low population western appendages that don`t even slow down knowing who has won unless the election is close.

  • 48
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Radio New Zealand stream is working for me. Tom, Antony’s projections are based on modelling, so these are not raw figures he’s discussing. Labour might hope there’s a swing in rural areas that won’t translate in the cities, but there’s no particular reason to think that’s in prospect.

  • 49
    Oz
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Sigh, not a single online working stream.

    What do you expect, they have one cable coming over to us.

    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg

  • 50
    Glen
    Posted Saturday, November 8, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    3.8% counted
    National on 49.01% of the vote and projected 66 seats
    Labour on 31.49% of the vote and projected 42 seats

    Looking good for Key so far

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