The latest weekly Essential Research survey (which gets its own thread in Newspoll off-weeks when there’s no Galaxy poll on the Sunday) has Labor recovering from an unheralded dip over the past fortnight, its two-party lead increasing from 56-44 to 58-42. Also featured are questions on leadership preference, which find Julia Gillard favoured over Malcolm Turnbull 39 per cent to 34 per cent and Kevin Rudd favoured over Gillard 63 per cent to 14 per cent, and expectations regarding the economy.
UPDATE (2/12/08): Today’s Courier-Mail provides further figures from yesterday’s Galaxy poll of 800 voters in Queensland, showing 38 per cent would like to go back to John Howard and Peter Costello, against 54 per cent preferring Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan.
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Come on, The Australian Sex Party is naught but a front for the porn industry.
Which, ironically, is a large contributor of Hetty Johnson’s “Bravehearts”, one of the minority of “child welfare” organisations supporting the government on their filter stance.
Wonder if they’ll sign up the perpetual pornstar candidate in Qld, Jodie Moore.
http://www.5nxmodels.com/models/jodie_moore/jodie_moore_0101main.jpg
http://www.5nxmodels.com/models/jodie_moore/jodie_moore_0101main.jpg
Tell you what, finding a safe for work picture to go with the wiki link took a bit of doing!
Thanks Vera
And I do it all for love
I had a look at that MacBank link you listed , fancy Libs giving MacBank first right within 100km of Sydney because it reduces future negatiating position of any future Govt
But then they hav such gall , I mean Airport is topical so MacBank put out into public areena that info of there first option , but then at end say quote “But we’re not providing any comment with regards to that.”
But they damn well did
Ooops, wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodie_Moore
Ron
Exactly they did, hence they should be pressed for details of the contract. I’m sure the opposition would like it to be revealed, as evidence of their economic management skills.
Poss
If I didn’t know better, I’d almost suspect a non-psephylogical interest in some of these candidates.
Harry et. al.,
OT to chat about the cricket momentarily …. Boy aren’t the English getting an early start?
……
Amigo ronnie, you are an old softie.
Socrates – you impugn my honor! (well, what’s left of it anyway)
It’s all about the data like the swingers… er, swing vote and the arm.., er.. poles.. the polls!
God, everyones a cynic!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24745539-601,00.html
Another leak?
The Australian Sex Party has more policies that Malcolm Turnbull. Looks like they are only running for the Senate. Actually, I agree with all their policies except the silly referendum mandating equal male/female representation in Parliament.
http://www.sexparty.org.au/ASP-Policies.html
No sex, no booze, no betting, no flirting, no fun, no partying. Damn rotten wowsers, I’m voting for the Sex Party!
Diogenes @ 532
The anti-terror laws are too open to abuse by the political process. Also we’ve got some serious dimwits running anti-terrorism and the Federal DPP in Oz.
Careful. The “dimwits’ also have the power to put you away seemingly on a whim, and the rest of us would never know.
@ 539
No, I didn’t say it was OK to keep Hicks for even one year, or at all for that matter.
By his own admission, Hicks fought in the military – and the Taliban would appear to meet all the criteria of Part 1, Article 4 of the 1949 Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War – of the de facto government of Afghanistan, so the U.S. was entitled to detain him as a P.O.W. for as long as hostilities continued, which means they could still be holding him. HOWEVER, they were required to house him under similar conditions to their own troops and treat him as specified in in the Convention.
I haven’t been there, but I doubt that American troops at Gitmo are housed in wire cages, or small soundproof boxes. Nor does torture, beatings, solitary confinement, sensory and sleep deprivation, etc, etc meet the requirement that no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.
What Bush and Howard did was 100% wrong but wouldn’t hang Howie for it.
I am staggered that an Australian Prime Minister, especially one who grew up with the horrors of Changi, Burma, the Bataan Death March, and other such atrocities still open sores in the national psyche would ignore, much less condone or facilitate mistreatment of any P.O.W., particularly when the country was engaged in two wars on the enemies’ soil with the inherent high capture risks.
I’m appalled that he seems to have gotten away with it without censure. What message does that send to purveyors of evil? IME, they don’t need any encouragement to do their worst, but the actions of the U.S., with our almost complete acquiescence has effectively given them carte blanc to do whatever they will.
They may share a common policy though, “We decide who comes in Australia and the manner in which they come”.
And ironically the libs have more positions, “we’re for WorkChoices, we’re agin WorkChoices, we’re for the apology we’re agin the policy, Rudd should do more Rudd is doing to much, ……..
560 it was an interesting question. Not quite sure if Turnbull was against the idea, or just that the ALP wouldn’t run it properly.
MF
Doesn’t the Geneva Convention only apply in a legal sense if War is declared formally? How do you do that anyway, is there a pile of “We’re at War with …. (fill in the appropriate country)” forms lying around or do you have to enact an Act of Parliament? Did Howard actually declare War on Afghanistan or Iraq? I know the Yanks used that argument in Vietnam. What constitutes a War?
MT keeps going on the “attack”
Oh you are so nasty Malcolm, please stop it!
Love this from The Oz:
So “grilled” now constitutes one question.
wasn’t that a “police action”?
Kevin Rudd, Gordon Brown and Barack Obama – Grow a pair, create another coalition force and get your arses to Zimbabwe.
Grog
The US used the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution for Vietnam which authorised the use of military force, which is not the same as declaring War.
Someone better at telling stories then I am remind us about the BS surrounding the Gulf of Tonkin.
Oz, let wiki do it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_tonkin_resolution
the ABC also has a bit on the Labor Bank:
Love the way it frames hte headline:
err so is it good or bad? And whose idea is it???
The difference of course is that during the Whitlam days they ignored treasury advice the whole way, not something I think is happening here. But hey why let facts get in the way…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/03/2437137.htm?section=justin
[Oz, let wiki do it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_tonkin_resolution
Oh I know the story, I just thought someone could spin it into a wonderful tale of treachery, murder and romance.
I’m so confused.
I thought Turnbull was criticising Rudd for having this idea, if he had it. But now he’s being placed as the architect of the idea? There’s the rainmaker again.
The Gulf of Tonkin bore an uncanny resemblance to the Children Overboard. They were basically manufactured incidents exploited and perverted into a “casus belli”. They say that the first casualty of war is truth, but the war on truth is usually the first cause of war. The phrase “WMD” comes to mind. Karl Rove came out today and said they wouldn’t have invaded Iraq is they knew they had no WMDs. I swear that man has horns.
Good news for the Left in Canada:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081202/poll_future_081202/20081202?hub=TopStories
What dos “Run by accord” mean?
juliem, I wouldn’t get too steamed about the Poms getting in an early sledge, the team physio declared Ponting could take on the Sith Afrikanns despite his injury, so that’s all right, cause they’re probably more of a worry than the Poms. Besides the Poms are still smarting about the Ashes, a bit like the Libs. and the election. Sniggle.
Diogenes @ 566
The Geneva Conventions apply whether you declare war or not. In fact, they generally refer to armed conflict not war, presumably for that very reason.
Linguistic trickery such as calling war a ‘police action’ might fool your citizens but they have no more legal standing than calling POWs ‘enemy combatants.’ It won’t prevent you getting hung if the ICC ever gets the balls to treat all pond slime equally without fear or favour. However, I’m not holding my breath.
Nor, BTW, despite Roosevelt’s “day of infamy” speech, is there an obligation to declare war, or otherwise advise your intended adversary of your intentions before attacking.
The Chinese’s whisper. Sssshhh, the slow boat to China may yet save OZ from recession as nobody else will. As Kevin Rudd would have acclaimed in his impeccable Mandarin: “Zhong Guo, Xie Xie”. So be kind to your yum cha next time.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-12/03/content_7263448.htm
Oz, I’m not sure I could recount the Gulf of Tonkin incident without frothing at the mouth and shorting out the keyboard. As Diogenes said, the U.S. lied about being fired upon and used the lie to commence a “police action”, initially having sent “advisors” to aid and abet a corrupt government against those rotten commies to the North.
“Lyndon Johnson told the nation,
Have no fear of escalation.
We are trying everyone to please.
Although there really is no war,
We’re sending fifty thousand more,
To help save Vietnam from Vietnamese.”
One verse from protest song from the era.
Dio (and any other interested parties),
William
Are you going to move a few rungs up the ladder at the West Australian
I’m guessing Burkey isn’t too pleased by the changes.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24745456-7582,00.html
juliem
No action is legal or illegal until it is tested in court. Obama isn’t going to use that clause to disqualify her. And no-one would risk death by taking Hillary to court in a bid to stop her becoming SOS. It’s in the bag.
Ok Oz, …
It was a dark and stormy night….
Can someone explain to me in small words what the political upside is to the Libs blocking the education funding? I mean if they had a major national body behind them, but geex the best Pyne can comue up with is a few schools and most of them a Steiner ones. The Libs are thisclose from doing a reverse Latham, and getting Pell to come out and say vote Labor.
@564, Castle:
That has a definite “ring” to it:
“The Liberals have more positions than the Australian Sex Party.”
Luverley!
I’m wondering that as well.
Fielding is all about “intelligent design”, I have no idea what the Libs are playing.
But hey, it makes them look stupid, so more power to them.
I’m not “feeling” this Sex Party puns at all.
Isn’t it that Fielding doesn’t want to get ambushed by mandated Evolution as a science subject?
The complement to my earlier point about Intelligent Design.
I just thought that it is usual to oppose something that:
a) you disagree with – but the Libs policy for ages has been to get a national curriculum
b) the public opposes – funding for schools? yeah they really oppose that
c) the main bodies concerned oppose it – nope – no AMA type support here
or
d) err.. any help???
Since I’m relying on a now somewhat faulty memory, this could be wrong, but:
Surely the case against Howard over Hicks is that he did nothing, when Tony Blair made sure that British detainees at Guantanamo were released to be tried in the UK. Similarly. John Walker Lindh a celebrated (and imho a seriously misguided US citizen) who spent some time in Guanatanamo was released and tried in the US. Hicks was hung out to dry while the others in the coalition of the willing ensured that their citizens were not exposed to lengthy spells at Guanatanamo, and were tried in the normal court system.
However, it’s no surprise to me that public opinion didn’t rally to Hicks (until very late in the day), given the way he was vilified by Downer, Ruddock, Howard et.al.
590 Grog
d) box of rocks
as dumb as…
Has it been confirmed that tomorrow is a national day of mourning?
Roy & H.G. have quit Triple J, and will be on Triple M in the eastern states only next year!
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,24742880-5013560,00.html
I have been listening to those guys for nearly 17 years, well before I knew what the hell they were going on about. What the hell will I now do on Sunday afternoons?
cheers onimod I knew there was something I was missing!
from the dopey news.com blog on whether julie v julia is ignoring the important issues (leaving aside the fact that this isn’t an issue at all but still…) are some great comments:
normal???
anyoner know what these nasty insults actually are? Given me one example of Julia being too personal.
Still this comment is a nice response:
593 ShowsON – I blame Labor for this one! An absolute national tragedy.
It wouldn’t bother me so much if I had a practical way of listening to their new show. 22 years on one radio station is a good effort, you can’t blame them for cashing in later on.
If Triple M have any sense they will let them do whatever they want. That’s what makes their show and characterisations so interesting in the first place.
Agreed
Triple M do stream, so that is one way of listening.
If they’re Ch 7 Olympic Shows are any guide, yes they would’ve stipulated they’d only do it if they had full creative control.
from tonight’s 7:30 report:
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2008/s2437152.htm
I thought this part was hilarious.
The journalist was Paul Borgiorno from Ten. He has a degree in theology as well!
But the question made me think, I certainly hope the Government can take money aware from schools that teach nonsense.
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