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Essential Research: 58-42

The latest weekly Essential Research survey (which gets its own thread in Newspoll off-weeks when there’s no Galaxy poll on the Sunday) has Labor recovering from an unheralded dip over the past fortnight, its two-party lead increasing from 56-44 to 58-42. Also featured are questions on leadership preference, which find Julia Gillard favoured over Malcolm Turnbull 39 per cent to 34 per cent and Kevin Rudd favoured over Gillard 63 per cent to 14 per cent, and expectations regarding the economy.

UPDATE (2/12/08): Today’s Courier-Mail provides further figures from yesterday’s Galaxy poll of 800 voters in Queensland, showing 38 per cent would like to go back to John Howard and Peter Costello, against 54 per cent preferring Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan.

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  1. 601
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Triple M do stream, so that is one way of listening.

    Yeah, but not terribly convenient.

    Hopefully they do a full podcast – excluding songs and other copyrighted material of course.

    Even if they leave a few ads in that wouldn’t bother me. I don’t mind watching Chevy adverts so I can see The Daily Show for free.

  2. 602
    steve
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Rupugs have won the recount in Georgia after Democratic voters fail to turnout to vote.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/us/politics/03georgia.html?hp

  3. 603
    Socrates
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    The government should ask Fielding in the Senate which schools he has been talking too. If one were a suspicious type about who funded Fielding in the first place, you might suspect that it is a small group of Christian fringe schools run by a rightwing nutbar sect. Journalists should pursue Fielding on this. Why block $28 Billion of funding over curriculum when it has been signed off by all the other mainstream church schools? Its time Fielding’s looney right links were exposed.

  4. 604
    Harry "Snapper" Organs
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Oh goody, Julie Bishop, the Minister channeling my stupid chinchilla is on Lateline. I can’t wait.

  5. 605
    Glen
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    hahaha only 20% of registered voters voted…Go Saxby!

  6. 606
    Socrates
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Looks like unrepresentative swill in the Senate is world wide problem, eh Glen!

  7. 607
    Socrates
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    BTW somenoe posted earleir today about the $320K the exclusive Brethren donated to the Liberal party and asked what they receivd in return. While I can prove no causal link, they do receive quite a bit from Commonwealth and State education funding for their schools – $3.1 million to be exact according to this article:
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/brethrens-qld-schools-gain-3m/2008/10/19/1224351016688.html

    These are the sorts of small schools receiving large funds that the current education amendments are aimed at. Fielding must be pursued if he is going to try to defend tis sort of thing. His “clean image” will soon start to smell.

  8. 608
    Socrates
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Further to the above, the school mentioned, the Agnew School i Queensland, had 256 students. Thats about $12000 per annum per student!! More than many courses uni HECS per year. Where does it go?

  9. 609
    Pica
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    lateline
    mesma v sayles
    cat v kitten
    much teeth clenching and forced smiles from cat
    but kitten takes the points
    (my word she’s an uncomfortable teev view that mesma).

  10. 610
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Thats about $12000 per annum per student!! More than many courses uni HECS per year. Where does it go?

    Real estate investments most likely.

  11. 611
    Spam Box
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Jesus wept… They’re both idiots

    MP slammed for selling photos of petrol doused protester

    A Labor MP has apologised for taking a photograph of a protester who threatened to set himself alight outside federal parliament and giving it to the media.——
    Labor MP for Dawson, north Queensland, James Bidgood, who appeared upset, admitted taking the photographs and passing them onto News Limited.

    He said he handed over the photos in exchange for a donation to charity connected to disabilities.

    “My actions were highly insensitive and inappropriate and I am tonight writing a letter of apology to the family involved,” Mr Bidgood told parliament on Wednesday.

    I’ve cut/pasted a couple of differant bits there… but the gist remains intact

    All of em (yes, I’m including the guy with the petrol and lighter) are complete idiots

    You’d think the non desperate would know better – wait….. ;)

    http://livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/12/03/Man_douses_himself_with_petrol_outside_Parliament_House

  12. 612
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Journalist: Are you worried that intelligent design may not pass muster?

    Fielding: Look, that’s got nothing to do with it. This is about – and this is a genuine issue…

    And there you have the cat out of the bag, ladies and gentlemen.

    This useless hypocrite does not believe in intelligent design.Whether or not it “passes muster” has nothing to do with what he is about. That is not a genuine issue to him.

    But currying favour with the Looney Religious Right is.

    The genuine issue to Fielding is Fielding.

  13. 613
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    You’d think the non desperate would know better - wait….. ;)

    The saddest thing is the guy did it for no real reason. He and his family are permanent residents who are not going to be kicked from the country.

    In fact his parents are eligible to apply for citizenship.

  14. 614
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    But currying favour with the Looney Religious Right is.

    The genuine issue to Fielding is Fielding.

    I wonder if Family First disendorse him before the next election?

    Do they really want him at #1 on their Victorian ticket?

  15. 615
    Spam Box
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn @ 613

    Apart from a standard empathy of the (I prefer people don’t hurt themselves kind) I have zero sympathy for that guy.

  16. 616
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Apart from a standard empathy of the (I prefer people don’t hurt themselves kind) I have zero sympathy for that guy.

    Well, I have sympathy for him on the grounds that he is obviously mentally ill has made two public attempts at self harm in the last week.

  17. 617
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    I wonder whether Fielding conducted and prepared his own “Family Impact Statement” before deciding how his “conscience” would allow him to vote on the private school funding issue.

    I’m sure the probably 95% plus of non Government school parents and children represented by the two private school industry captains who stood shoulder to shoulder with Gillard on the issue today constitute “families” of some sort or other?.

    Or, like Howard, is the well being of his own family on the public teat the only “family” the otherwise unemployable Fielding cares about?

  18. 618
    Spam Box
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    A cry for help – maybe (A stunt) more likely

  19. 619
    ShowsOn
    Posted Wednesday, December 3, 2008 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    A cry for help - maybe (A stunt) more likely

    Well, Senator Evans – the minister for immigration – reported to the Senate that his family has been offered mental health assistance previous to today’s events.

  20. 620
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland

    I am in awe.

  21. 621
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    The Australian reports that Terry Hicks unexpectedly met John Howard for the first time yesterday at an art function to which they were both invited.

    Mr Hicks politely shook the former Prime minister’s hand and exchanged pleasantries with him before moving on.

    After what that man has been put through at the hands of Mr. Howard and his Government, his magnanimity is truly humbling.

  22. 622
    juliem
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    William,

    3903 out of 2.9 million is the final count …..

    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — -

    Missouri as the prognosticator of presidential winners is no more.
    Official election returns certified Tuesday by the secretary of state’s office show that Republican John McCain eked out victory in the state’s closest presidential election in a century.
    McCain won by 3,903 votes out of more than 2.9 million cast, which amounts to a 0.13 percentage point win over President-elect Barack Obama.
    Obama becomes just the second president in more than 100 years to take office without winning Missouri. The last time Missouri had not voted for the presidential winner was in 1956.
    Members of the Electoral College meet across the nation on Dec. 15 to cast their presidential ballots. Missouri’s members will meet in the state Capitol.

  23. 623
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Fulvio Sammut aren’t you forgetting Howard got his son out of Gitmo? No wonder Mr Hicks should be humble before Howard…

  24. 624
    Socrates
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    I shoudl declare a bias on this one because I know some of teh people involved. Still, if this report in The Age is correct I think this is excellent news for Melbourne:
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/city-transport-plan-revealed-20081203-6qnt.html

    They are going ahead with a badly needed rail tunnel in the Melbourne CBD and some outer ring roads, but not the cross city road tunnel. From both a transport and environmental viewpoint I think this is a good decision. If this is where some of Rudd’s infrastructure money goes it won’t be wasted. We can only hope Sydney does something equally sensible.

  25. 625
    Socrates
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Well Glen, if you tell a lie long enough, often enough and loud enough, you must hope people will believe you? I remain skeptical that Mr Howard was Hick’s benefactor.

  26. 626
    mexicanbeemer
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    The one thing the Liberal Party have in common with the Australian Sex Party is the number “69″

  27. 627
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Lucky Melbourne!

    The proposals from the City of Sydney council to the Building Australia infrastructure fund include a couple of light rail loops in new urban growth areas and in the city. It’d be very nice if they got off the ground, though maybe I only say that because it’ll mean light rail from my doorstep to the city.

  28. 628
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    OTTAWA — The separatist Bloc Québécois was part of secret plotting in 2000 to join a formal coalition with the two parties that now make up Stephen Harper's government, according to documents obtained by The Globe and Mail.

    The scheme, designed to propel current Conservative minister Stockwell Day to power, undermines the Harper government's line this week that it would never sign a deal like the current one between the Liberal Party, the NDP and the Bloc.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081203.wquebec1203/BNStory/National/home

    I don’t see how they can have any credibility after this.

  29. 629
    scorpio
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Oz @ 628,

    Power is a highly desirable aphrodisiac and some people will do virtually anything, compromise any principle to achieve and retain it. Classic example, JWH. Harper is Canada’s version of Howard.

  30. 630
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Harper is Canada’s version of Howard.

    Good riddance to him then and I hope the G-G hurries back to sort this out.

  31. 631
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Oz it undermines nothing…the Canadian Alliance then merged with the PC Party and turned into the Conservatives…

    Harpers line that the Conservative Party of Canada would never sign any documents to give the Bloc such power is clearly true…because the CPC has never done such a thing since it has been in existance.

    Oz every PM in Canadian history has had to face the people…Dion wouldnt have to until 2010 or 2011…if you wanted to form a Coalition with the NDP and Bloc he should have taken that to the Canadian people in the last election in 2008 he didnt…hence he’s a liar and a fraud and after being thumped in the election Dion is trying to do anything to become PM.

    Dion has got NO mandate to form a Coalition Government with the Bloc and NDP, he told the people he would never do such a thing and now he is…therefore if he is so certain this is backed by the people of Canada he must therefore support another poll…

  32. 632
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Harpers line that the Conservative Party of Canada would never sign any documents to give the Bloc such power is clearly true…because the CPC has never done such a thing since it has been in existance.

    Oh come on Glen. It’s a clear case of “If the Bloc works with us, they’re good. If they don’t, they’re bad”.

  33. 633
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/

    Harper is about to address the nation live.

  34. 634
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    “We will use every means possible to defend our government”.

    Prorogue here we come.

  35. 635
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Of course he will Prorogue…but will Jean accept?

  36. 636
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Now Canadians will turn their TVs off and not watch the Dion and Layton Show.

  37. 637
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Now Canadians will turn their TVs off and not watch the Dion and Layton Show.

    I don’t know about that. More of them want change and want the coalition to immediately take power than want the Conservatives to remain in power, according to the latest poll.

  38. 638
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Oz i saw the poll you referred to and you cherry picked the best figures….you forgot about these…

    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/32359/canadians_not_sold_on_dion_as_prime_minister

    I would be comfortable with Stéphane Dion becoming Canada’s prime minister

    Agree – 25%

    Disagree – 65%

    Not sure – 10%

    I am worried about the Bloc Québécois becoming involved in the federal government:

    Agree – 57%

    Disagree – 30%

    Not sure – 13%

  39. 639
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Those figures do nothing to contradict the others..?

    Dion’s approval rating is better than Turnbull’s.

  40. 640
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    But at least Turnbull can speak English properly.

  41. 641
    Michael Cusack
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    An education insider tells me that one of the reasons the Libs are against the Govts Education bill is that there is a ranking system of sorts involved. Many of the more expensive and exclusive schools dont want to advertise that their results are no better than, and often worse than the much cheaper public options. In straitened financial times, that wouldnt be a good thing when trying to seperate parents from $15k plus in fees.

  42. 642
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Melbourne does not need another tunnel through the city. It needs suburban extensions and a comparatively minor works in the inner city to allow the current inner city system to reach its true capacity of 192 trains per hour which it it currently no where near.

    Building the tunnel would tie up the money for much needed suburban extensions like Doncaster and Rowville for a generation like the city loop did.

  43. 643
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    In straitened financial times, that wouldnt be a good thing when trying to seperate parents from $15k plus in fees

    Aint the ‘free market’ a bitch

  44. 644
    vera
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Just a reminder that the Libs and their lies and scaremongering about “boatpeople” hasn’t changed with Howards sacking. They are still the nasty, hatefull racist pack of (rude word omitted) who would have no compunction of manufacturing another “children overboard” if it got them a few votes.
    It isn’t hard to “maintain the rage” against this loathsome lot.

    Article from: The Australian

    ACCORDING to Opposition immigration spokeswoman Sharman Stone, there has been an "incredible spike" in boat people trying to get to Australia.

    It is a comment that betrays a hankering for the good old days, when the Coalition was in office and the politics was easy: whip up a bit of fear about being swamped by refugees, demonise them as terrorists and watch the votes come in. Stone argued on radio on Monday that Immigration Minister Chris Evans had given "quite a bit of encouragement" to people smugglers, particularly with his announcement of the abolition of temporary protection visas and that is why the spike had occurred since August.

    Kevin Rudd lent some perspective to this argument by telling parliament there had been four boatloads of people with 48 passengers this year, compared with 148 on five boats last year. That was before yesterday's announcement of another 35 passengers to be transferred to Christmas Island. That makes 83 people this year. Some spike.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24747366-7583,00.html

  45. 645
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    An education insider tells me that one of the reasons the Libs are against the Govts Education bill is that there is a ranking system of sorts involved.

    They’ve caved in and will support it in the Senate without amendments.

  46. 646
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    They’ve caved in and will support it in the Senate without amendments

    It would be suicide not to

  47. 647
    Socrates
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Tom

    The trouble is (for both Sydney and Melbourne) that the track capacity problems are in the city. They can’t run any more trains on existing lines, let alone extensions, without more capacity in the point where the trains are going to (the CBD).

  48. 648
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    They’ve caved in and will support it in the Senate without amendments

    They have or they will?? I can’t find anything saying they (or Fielding) have caved in.

  49. 649
    Spam Box
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Grog

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/coalition-caves-in-on-schools-funding-bill/2008/12/04/1228257195339.html

  50. 650
    Listy
    Posted Thursday, December 4, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    twas just reported on the 12pm JJJ news that they will support the bill (or already have? I didnt quite catch that bit)

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