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	<title>Comments on: Galaxy: 51-49 to Labor in Queensland</title>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-222075</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Liberal National Party gets the begging bowl out.

&quot;An invoice received by councillors and federal and state MPs during the past fortnight is the first instalment of an annual $3000 &quot;services fee&quot;.

Some MPs are upset at having to pay the money, believing there is no provision for the fee in the LNP constitution.&quot; 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24772004-5006786,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Liberal National Party gets the begging bowl out.</p>
<p>&#8220;An invoice received by councillors and federal and state MPs during the past fortnight is the first instalment of an annual $3000 &#8220;services fee&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some MPs are upset at having to pay the money, believing there is no provision for the fee in the LNP constitution.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24772004-5006786,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24772004-5006786,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220495</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The seats and margins are listed here.

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/qld/2009/redistribution.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The seats and margins are listed here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/elections/qld/2009/redistribution.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/elections/qld/2009/redistribution.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220491</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan and the winning seats for the Liberal National Party would be? Have a serious go at it I&#039;m open to all scenarios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan and the winning seats for the Liberal National Party would be? Have a serious go at it I&#8217;m open to all scenarios.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220490</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catatonia @ 23 is right. If the likes of Jon Sullivan and Jim Turnour can be elected to federal parliament anything can happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catatonia @ 23 is right. If the likes of Jon Sullivan and Jim Turnour can be elected to federal parliament anything can happen!</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220489</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catatonia, while I agree anything is possible, there is also the small matter of what is probable. Reading the comments at the Curious Snail and even here in the past few months, there is a myth that the Liberal National Party is on track to win the next election but no hard evidence that such an event is probable or possible.

Claimants when asked which twenty seats have no idea where the possible twenty seats are that they feel are at risk.  Dennis Aitkin has asked people on his blog too and I have yet to see a set of twenty seats that point to a Liberal National win. 

Also the argument is advanced that the Liberal National Party is somehow more competent than they were at the last election,  the converse has more evidence to support it.  This quote from Question Time this morning shows how different things are on the Gold Coast for the recycled party:

[When the Liberal National Party formed, one of the things its members said in their first days was that they would put their headquarters at the Gold Coast. Nearly five months later, there is nothing at the Gold Coast. The Leader of the Opposition has not even been to the Indy. I understand that the Gold Coast Chamber of Commerce invited him to be a guest speaker and he cancelled on them. So much for the Liberal National Party caring about the Gold Coast!



Mr Lucas:
 His loss was their gain.



Ms BLIGH:
 It may be true that his cancellation was the Gold Coast’s gain. Of course, the Liberal National Party not only has a recycled leader; it is recycling every single one of its candidates down there on the Gold Coast. A former expelled member of the Liberal Party who failed in the 2008 council elections is running in Broadwater, a failed Liberal state candidate for Burleigh is running again, the National who lost his seat in 2006 is running again in Gaven, and the failed Liberal candidate is running again in Mudgeeraba. So much for offering a fresh new voice to the Gold Coast. Instead we have no office, no attendance, cancelling functions and offering the public nothing more than the same old recycled products that they have rejected in the past.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catatonia, while I agree anything is possible, there is also the small matter of what is probable. Reading the comments at the Curious Snail and even here in the past few months, there is a myth that the Liberal National Party is on track to win the next election but no hard evidence that such an event is probable or possible.</p>
<p>Claimants when asked which twenty seats have no idea where the possible twenty seats are that they feel are at risk.  Dennis Aitkin has asked people on his blog too and I have yet to see a set of twenty seats that point to a Liberal National win. </p>
<p>Also the argument is advanced that the Liberal National Party is somehow more competent than they were at the last election,  the converse has more evidence to support it.  This quote from Question Time this morning shows how different things are on the Gold Coast for the recycled party:</p>
<blockquote><p>When the Liberal National Party formed, one of the things its members said in their first days was that they would put their headquarters at the Gold Coast. Nearly five months later, there is nothing at the Gold Coast. The Leader of the Opposition has not even been to the Indy. I understand that the Gold Coast Chamber of Commerce invited him to be a guest speaker and he cancelled on them. So much for the Liberal National Party caring about the Gold Coast!</p>
<p>Mr Lucas:<br />
 His loss was their gain.</p>
<p>Ms BLIGH:<br />
 It may be true that his cancellation was the Gold Coast’s gain. Of course, the Liberal National Party not only has a recycled leader; it is recycling every single one of its candidates down there on the Gold Coast. A former expelled member of the Liberal Party who failed in the 2008 council elections is running in Broadwater, a failed Liberal state candidate for Burleigh is running again, the National who lost his seat in 2006 is running again in Gaven, and the failed Liberal candidate is running again in Mudgeeraba. So much for offering a fresh new voice to the Gold Coast. Instead we have no office, no attendance, cancelling functions and offering the public nothing more than the same old recycled products that they have rejected in the past.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Catatonia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220479</link>
		<dc:creator>Catatonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve @ 16

Stranger things have happened in Qld politcs than a possible LNP win in 2009. Who in 1998 would have predicted that One Nation would have picked up 23% of the vote and 11 seats? Or that the Libs in 2001 would have been reduced to a measly three seats, the same number as One Nation, with the two conservative parties going from 32 seats to just 15? Or that the ALP would only win two Qld seats at the 1996 federal election? Or that the Coaliton would lose such reasonably safe federal seats as Forde, Dawson and Longman last year?

Nor is being a bucolic, uneducated rabble any barrier to electoral success in Queensland. Just look at the Country / National Party&#039;s 32-year vice-like grip on George Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve @ 16</p>
<p>Stranger things have happened in Qld politcs than a possible LNP win in 2009. Who in 1998 would have predicted that One Nation would have picked up 23% of the vote and 11 seats? Or that the Libs in 2001 would have been reduced to a measly three seats, the same number as One Nation, with the two conservative parties going from 32 seats to just 15? Or that the ALP would only win two Qld seats at the 1996 federal election? Or that the Coaliton would lose such reasonably safe federal seats as Forde, Dawson and Longman last year?</p>
<p>Nor is being a bucolic, uneducated rabble any barrier to electoral success in Queensland. Just look at the Country / National Party&#8217;s 32-year vice-like grip on George Street.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220454</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll explain in  simple terms why your claim of 6% increased support for the Liberal National Party is nonsense and is way off the mark, Dovif .

There are 2,642,032 voters on the Qld roll. The 2006 election 2PP vote was ALP 54.9% and NonALP 45.1%. The Galaxy Poll has a sample size of 800 which gives a Margin of Error of 3.46%. The Galaxy Poll showed 51% 2PP for ALP and 49% for Non-ALP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll explain in  simple terms why your claim of 6% increased support for the Liberal National Party is nonsense and is way off the mark, Dovif .</p>
<p>There are 2,642,032 voters on the Qld roll. The 2006 election 2PP vote was ALP 54.9% and NonALP 45.1%. The Galaxy Poll has a sample size of 800 which gives a Margin of Error of 3.46%. The Galaxy Poll showed 51% 2PP for ALP and 49% for Non-ALP.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220448</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[the last Qld election was a landslide, the Lib/Nat was incompetant, the 2 party prefer was around 57-43.]

Another thing Dovif, if you click on the link in the second word of Williams post you will find the  2 part preferred at the last election was not as high as you state for propaganda purposes at comment 19.  At the moment the poll is NOT showing a 6% swing to the Lib/Nat.

Furthermore the big risk for the Liberal National Party at the next Queensland elections is independent conservatives and like the naming of the seats the conservatives must win, nobody has had a serious swing at the effect of Conservative Independents on the Liberal National Party at the next Queensland election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the last Qld election was a landslide, the Lib/Nat was incompetant, the 2 party prefer was around 57-43.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another thing Dovif, if you click on the link in the second word of Williams post you will find the  2 part preferred at the last election was not as high as you state for propaganda purposes at comment 19.  At the moment the poll is NOT showing a 6% swing to the Lib/Nat.</p>
<p>Furthermore the big risk for the Liberal National Party at the next Queensland elections is independent conservatives and like the naming of the seats the conservatives must win, nobody has had a serious swing at the effect of Conservative Independents on the Liberal National Party at the next Queensland election.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Aspley, Barron River, Broadwater, Bundaberg, Burley, Cairns, Clayfield, Harvey Bay, Indooropilly, Kawana, Keppel, Townsville Pumicestad and Mudgeeraba and leave 8 other electorate with a margin of 2%]

Dovif, that is just too funny for words. Bundaberg is held by Jack Dempsey for the Liberal National Party.Clayfield is held by Tim Nicholls for the Liberal National Party. Kawana is held by Steve Dixon for the Liberal National Party.  Indooroopilly is held by Ronan Lee for the Greens. There are not another eight seats with a margin of 2%. Nice try but no cigar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Aspley, Barron River, Broadwater, Bundaberg, Burley, Cairns, Clayfield, Harvey Bay, Indooropilly, Kawana, Keppel, Townsville Pumicestad and Mudgeeraba and leave 8 other electorate with a margin of 2%</p></blockquote>
<p>Dovif, that is just too funny for words. Bundaberg is held by Jack Dempsey for the Liberal National Party.Clayfield is held by Tim Nicholls for the Liberal National Party. Kawana is held by Steve Dixon for the Liberal National Party.  Indooroopilly is held by Ronan Lee for the Greens. There are not another eight seats with a margin of 2%. Nice try but no cigar.</p>
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		<title>By: dovif</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2008/12/01/galaxy-51-49-to-labor-in-queensland/comment-page-1/#comment-220323</link>
		<dc:creator>dovif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve

the last Qld election was a landslide, the Lib/Nat was incompetant, the 2 party prefer was around 57-43. At the moments the poll is showing a 6% swing to the Lib/Nat

An uniform 6% swing would move the following seat over to the Lib/Nat side

Aspley, Barron River, Broadwater, Bundaberg, Burley, Cairns, Clayfield, Harvey Bay, Indooropilly, Kawana, Keppel, Townsville Pumicestad and Mudgeeraba and leave 8 other electorate with a margin of 2%

ALP won&#039;t be trying to claim any seats from the Lib/Nats, they will be defending their own seats to stay in govenment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve</p>
<p>the last Qld election was a landslide, the Lib/Nat was incompetant, the 2 party prefer was around 57-43. At the moments the poll is showing a 6% swing to the Lib/Nat</p>
<p>An uniform 6% swing would move the following seat over to the Lib/Nat side</p>
<p>Aspley, Barron River, Broadwater, Bundaberg, Burley, Cairns, Clayfield, Harvey Bay, Indooropilly, Kawana, Keppel, Townsville Pumicestad and Mudgeeraba and leave 8 other electorate with a margin of 2%</p>
<p>ALP won&#8217;t be trying to claim any seats from the Lib/Nats, they will be defending their own seats to stay in govenment</p>
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