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	<title>Comments on: Essential Research: 61-39</title>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232467</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/06/newspoll-minus-three-days-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New thread.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/06/newspoll-minus-three-days-2/" rel="nofollow">New thread.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Generic Person</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232468</link>
		<dc:creator>Generic Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[At least you are honest! You are for slower economic growth, and higher unemployment.]

You&#039;re a run of the mill Labor spin doctor. Ring Kev for a job, I&#039;m sure he&#039;d oblige. One of Keating&#039;s true-believers.

By any stretch, the Coalition&#039;s severe cuts in the 1996/1997 budgets did not result in lower growth and higher unemployment - they simply represented prudent fiscal management.

The GST did not increase unemployment and reduce growth. Extending it to all goods and services would dramatically reduce complexity and result in higher revenues for the states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At least you are honest! You are for slower economic growth, and higher unemployment.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re a run of the mill Labor spin doctor. Ring Kev for a job, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d oblige. One of Keating&#8217;s true-believers.</p>
<p>By any stretch, the Coalition&#8217;s severe cuts in the 1996/1997 budgets did not result in lower growth and higher unemployment &#8211; they simply represented prudent fiscal management.</p>
<p>The GST did not increase unemployment and reduce growth. Extending it to all goods and services would dramatically reduce complexity and result in higher revenues for the states.</p>
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		<title>By: ShowsOn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232466</link>
		<dc:creator>ShowsOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Oh please, the so-called “evidence” is at best circumstantial. Correlation does not imply causation.]
There you go again! You seem to hate any evidence that you don&#039;t yourself make up.
[I am not prepared to hastily support spending an unending stream of deficits to save jobs in a recessionary climate.]
Oh please! The deficits aren&#039;t &quot;unending&quot;, they will end when the economy starts growing quickly, and when tax receipts go back up. 
[The nations finances are finite and the government must always look to the long term. ]
Moronic nonsense! If more people are unemployed you will produce a BIGGER deficit, which will lead to more government debt. You are endorsing a policy that will produce the thing you hate - government debt.
[Job losses are a fact of life in recession. One-off stimuli delay the inevitable, are extraordinarily costly and their effect cannot be accurately measured.]
The effect can&#039;t be measured by people unable to count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh please, the so-called “evidence” is at best circumstantial. Correlation does not imply causation.</p></blockquote>
<p>There you go again! You seem to hate any evidence that you don&#8217;t yourself make up.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am not prepared to hastily support spending an unending stream of deficits to save jobs in a recessionary climate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh please! The deficits aren&#8217;t &#8220;unending&#8221;, they will end when the economy starts growing quickly, and when tax receipts go back up. </p>
<blockquote><p>The nations finances are finite and the government must always look to the long term. </p></blockquote>
<p>Moronic nonsense! If more people are unemployed you will produce a BIGGER deficit, which will lead to more government debt. You are endorsing a policy that will produce the thing you hate &#8211; government debt.</p>
<blockquote><p>Job losses are a fact of life in recession. One-off stimuli delay the inevitable, are extraordinarily costly and their effect cannot be accurately measured.</p></blockquote>
<p>The effect can&#8217;t be measured by people unable to count.</p>
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		<title>By: Muskiemp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232465</link>
		<dc:creator>Muskiemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GP I was going on your calculations. Can&#039;t you read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GP I was going on your calculations. Can&#8217;t you read?</p>
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		<title>By: Generic Person</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232464</link>
		<dc:creator>Generic Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 1770

[Well, the fact Treasury says it did could be considered evidence:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25013115-36418,00.html]

Oh please, the so-called &quot;evidence&quot; is at best circumstantial. Correlation does not imply causation. And unlike you, I am not prepared to hastily support spending an unending stream of deficits to save jobs in a recessionary climate. The nations finances are finite and the government must always look to the long term. 

Job losses are a fact of life in recession. One-off stimuli delay the inevitable, are extraordinarily costly and their effect cannot be accurately measured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No 1770</p>
<p>[Well, the fact Treasury says it did could be considered evidence:<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25013115-36418,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25013115-36418,00.html</a></p>
<p>Oh please, the so-called &#8220;evidence&#8221; is at best circumstantial. Correlation does not imply causation. And unlike you, I am not prepared to hastily support spending an unending stream of deficits to save jobs in a recessionary climate. The nations finances are finite and the government must always look to the long term. </p>
<p>Job losses are a fact of life in recession. One-off stimuli delay the inevitable, are extraordinarily costly and their effect cannot be accurately measured.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232463</link>
		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GP I did not specifically name you either.  The aspersion was cast in general, though I consider it very accurate of many people on the far right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GP I did not specifically name you either.  The aspersion was cast in general, though I consider it very accurate of many people on the far right.</p>
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		<title>By: ShowsOn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232462</link>
		<dc:creator>ShowsOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[-Cut welfare spending - middle class welfare, baby bonus and other wasteful measures]
Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.
[-cancel or reverse the child care rebate to 30%]
Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.
[-moratorium on all benefit increases (in line with inflation) until the fiscal situation improves]
Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.
[-impose the GST on all goods and services (i.e. abolish the stupid exemptions passed by the Democrats)]
Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.

At least you are honest! You are for slower economic growth, and higher unemployment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>-Cut welfare spending - middle class welfare, baby bonus and other wasteful measures</p></blockquote>
<p>Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.</p>
<blockquote><p>-cancel or reverse the child care rebate to 30%</p></blockquote>
<p>Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.</p>
<blockquote><p>-moratorium on all benefit increases (in line with inflation) until the fiscal situation improves</p></blockquote>
<p>Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.</p>
<blockquote><p>-impose the GST on all goods and services (i.e. abolish the stupid exemptions passed by the Democrats)</p></blockquote>
<p>Which will decrease consumption and result in an increase in unemployment.</p>
<p>At least you are honest! You are for slower economic growth, and higher unemployment.</p>
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		<title>By: Generic Person</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232461</link>
		<dc:creator>Generic Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 1768

Socrates, I did not change my tactics on AGW. Go back and read my posts before casting aspersions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No 1768</p>
<p>Socrates, I did not change my tactics on AGW. Go back and read my posts before casting aspersions.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps all the coalition staffers who are convinced of the wastefuleness of any government spending could prove the sincerity of their beliefs.  If they are ministerial or political staffers they are paid by us taxpayers.  Why not send your paychecks back to the Treasury so that you can reduce the deficit?  You must believe that overall that will make the economy better off.  Go on, do it for Australia!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps all the coalition staffers who are convinced of the wastefuleness of any government spending could prove the sincerity of their beliefs.  If they are ministerial or political staffers they are paid by us taxpayers.  Why not send your paychecks back to the Treasury so that you can reduce the deficit?  You must believe that overall that will make the economy better off.  Go on, do it for Australia!  <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adam in Canberra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/02/03/essential-research-61-39-2/comment-page-36/#comment-232459</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam in Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservative purists argue that in the face of a fall in government revenue, spending must be cut to keep the budget in surplus. In the face of a fall in demand, they call for cuts in taxation - which although it may stimulate demand in the longer run, of course further reduces government revenue, necessitating bigger spending cuts. Given the central role that government spending plays in the economy of a modern state, the result must be a spiralling contraction of demand and spending, leading to mass unemployment and the empoverishment of most of the population. That is exactly what happened in the US, Britain and Australia in the 1930s when these prescriptions were followed. It didn&#039;t happen in France or Japan, because government spending was not cut. In Germany, Bruning&#039;s cuts produced the deepest depression of all, but when Hitler came to power and resumed government spending (mostly on armaments) the economy recovered rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative purists argue that in the face of a fall in government revenue, spending must be cut to keep the budget in surplus. In the face of a fall in demand, they call for cuts in taxation &#8211; which although it may stimulate demand in the longer run, of course further reduces government revenue, necessitating bigger spending cuts. Given the central role that government spending plays in the economy of a modern state, the result must be a spiralling contraction of demand and spending, leading to mass unemployment and the empoverishment of most of the population. That is exactly what happened in the US, Britain and Australia in the 1930s when these prescriptions were followed. It didn&#8217;t happen in France or Japan, because government spending was not cut. In Germany, Bruning&#8217;s cuts produced the deepest depression of all, but when Hitler came to power and resumed government spending (mostly on armaments) the economy recovered rapidly.</p>
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