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Newspoll: 58-42

Newspoll has come a day early – or six days late, depending on your perspective. Key findings of the survey, which was conducted over the past two days:

• Labor’s two-party lead has blown out to 58-42 from 54-46 at the last Newspoll three weeks ago (although Peter Brent’s “rough calculation” had it at 55-45).

• Fifty-seven per cent believe the stimulus package will be good for the economy, and 48 per cent believe it will make them personally better off. Support is inversely proportional to age.

• Labor is up five points on the primary vote to 48 per cent, with the Coalition’s down three to 36 per cent.

• Kevin Rudd’s approval rating is steady on 63 per cent, and his disapproval up one to 26 per cent.

• Malcolm Turnbull’s approval rating is down one point to 44 per cent, and his disapproval is up seven to 38 per cent.

• Sixty-three per cent believe the government is doing a good job managing the economy, and only 33 per cent believe the Coalition would do better.

Other news:

• The Greens’ parliamentary leader in New South Wales, Lee Rhiannon, has quit her Legislative Council seat and declared her intention to run for the Senate (UPDATE: Not quite – she has “informed the party that when federal elections are called, I’ll resign to stand for Federal Parliament, if I win preselection”). Brian Robins of the Sydney Morning Herald says Rhiannon “appears to be positioning herself to replace the party’s federal leader”. She may have her work cut out: the only time the Greens have won a seat in the state was when Kerry Nettle got in on One Nation preferences in 2001. Generally the problem has been that Labor are too strong in the state for the Greens to get ahead of their third candidate. Two scenarios for success suggest themselves: one involves the Greens gaining at least 5 per cent on the Coalition on the primary vote, which would raise the possibility of a result of three Labor, two Liberal, one Greens; the other is a double dissolution.

Linda Silmalis of the Daily Telegraph reports the Coalition has been “desperate to find a high-profile candidate to take on Maxine McKew in the Sydney seat of Bennelong”, which it hopes “will be enough for Labor to consider transferring McKew to a safer seat”. It doesn’t sound like they’re having much luck: among those to have knocked back the offer are Kerry Chikarovski, former Opposition Leader and member for the locally situated state seat of Lane Cove, and Andrew Tink, former Shadow Police Minister and recent departee from state politics.

UPDATE: Essential Research has Labor’s lead at 61-39, recording no change from last week. Nothing on the stimulus package (Essential Research advises there will be a “truckload” of such data next week), but includes the usual leadership questions showing Rudd holding up and Turnbull going backwards.

3,047 Comments

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  1. 2851
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Sorry, pressed submit by accident.I was going to say, regardless of the needs of the Murray, no goverment can allow itself to go on being blackmailed this way.

    Constitutional change is desperately needed and the Libs/Labor need to get together to secure appropriate changes are made.

  2. 2852
    triton
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Brown sticking it to the coalition. “Irrelevant”, “Blockers”

  3. 2853
    Dario
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Hahahahaha Bob sticking the boot in beautifully

  4. 2854
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Bob Brown: “NA NA NEH NA NAH!”
    Labor Senators: “Hear, hear!”

  5. 2855
    Inner Westie
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Penny Wong … time for a nap …

  6. 2856
    Steve K
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Does the House sit later today? If so what time?

  7. 2857
    thewetmale
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Who’s the goose who told Bob to go back to Tasmania.
    This makes the pronouncements of the coalition last night, regarding the supposed inability of Labor to get their program through the senate, look like stupid gloating. Gloating that is now over nothing.

  8. 2858
    Steve K
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    If the house sits today it will be a hoot!

  9. 2859
    Inner Westie
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Wong: “Senator Brown and the Greens are demonstrating more economic responsibility than the Opposition.”

    (Back to sleep …)

  10. 2860
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Does the House sit later today? If so what time?

    Probably half hour after the Senate votes on the amendments.

  11. 2861
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Who’s the goose who told Bob to go back to Tasmania.

    I think it was Mitch Fifield.

  12. 2862
    Oz
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Labor, Xenophon, The Greens and Fielding are just taking turns patting each other on the back and making jibes about the Libs. This is why we need the Senate.

  13. 2863
    centaur009
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    This has ensured that the ALP will be voted in next time, however in the future in better times the debt think will come out again, people will have forgotten amd the coalition will be a chance, as they washed their hands clean and we’ll never know what effect a no would have had.

  14. 2864
    imacca
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I think that if it works Turnbull toast.

    If it doesn’t work(hard to assess), or work as well as people hope (easier to assess), Turnbull has now set himself up as vulnerable to take the blame. After all, the X amendments will add to debt at least in the short term. If the coalition had voted for the package the debt attached to it would be less and that is what they have been banging on about.

    They could have headed that off by voting for the package and making X irrelevant bu they didn’t. There will be other issues and ebbs and flows of politics over the next few months but i think the coalition brand is seriously damaged by this and Turnbull will take the blame.

  15. 2865
    triton
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    #2856
    News Radio’s Senate commentator said the House will sit “when the bells ring”, but he had no idea when that would be. Shortly after the vote is my guess.

  16. 2866
    Oz
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    ROFL WTF is Minchin going to say.

  17. 2867
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    The Liberals can’t even bring themselves to support Xenaphon’s amendments!

  18. 2868
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    ROFL WTF is Minchin going to say.

    He’s going to say things, then add the refrain “not the way to deal with our problems” after everything he says.

  19. 2869
    thewetmale
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Remember that Minchin was against the coalitions stand.

  20. 2870
    Oz
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    and a $180 billion debt would take 9 years to pay off…

    Good maffs.

  21. 2871
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Basically Minchin’s argument is that the recession is going to be SO BAD that we won’t be able to pay back any debt.

    But if that is the case he should actually be arguing for a BIGGER stimulus package.

  22. 2872
    centaur009
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Sorry grog i was talking as a punter, but i see your point .

  23. 2873
    BK
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    And Minchin has the gall to talk about misrepresentations!

  24. 2874
    Oz
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Who’s got egg on their face now Joe Hockey you blubbering idiot.

  25. 2875
    Kit
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    The ‘browns’ – now there’s a name for a political party

  26. 2876
    thewetmale
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    After the entertainment of last night i can’t wait for the reps to sit

  27. 2877
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    A year from now, Labor should do some mail outs (NOT government advertising) listing all the school building projects all the Liberals and Nationals voted against.

  28. 2878
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Oh, thirty pieces of silver.

  29. 2879
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    The ‘browns’ - now there’s a name for a political party

    It has some rather hideous connotations:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

  30. 2880
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    no worries centaur – let’s say we both won!

  31. 2881
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t there some irony with a SOUTH AUSTRALIAN SENATOR – Nick Minchin proudly announcing that the opposition parties won’t even support Xenophon’s amendments.

    Which are destined to pass! They should’ve done it at least as a token gesture, even if they voted against the package as a whole.

  32. 2882
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Minchin giving a re-write of history now. Unfortunately no one will take any notice.

    Toast, anyone.

  33. 2883
    Inner Westie
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Nick Minchin (back from the toilet):

    “Putting assembly halls in every Australian primary school is not the way to solve our economic problems … ”

    “This government is condemned to a situation where it may never deliver a surplus budget ….”

    ” … A re-elected Howard government would of course have responded to the Global Economic Downturn with a stimulus package … ”

    ” … There should be a proper bipartisan approach … ”

    ” … The Browns … ”

    “… I respect the integrity of the position Senator Xenophon brings to this debate … ”

    (I hereby nominate Senators Penny Wong and Nick Minchin for the award of Most Soporific Orator in Any Australian Parliament.)

  34. 2884
    Inner Westie
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Here comes Coco the Clown!

  35. 2885
    thewetmale
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    What the hell is Barnaby on about

  36. 2886
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Joice on now. This will be good.

  37. 2887
    BK
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Barnaby’s face is getting redder than the Senate uphostry.

  38. 2888
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    (I hereby nominate Senators Penny Wong and Nick Minchin for the award of Most Soporific Orator in Any Australian Parliament.)

    Yeah, even though Bob Brown always sounds completely confused, he shows a surprisingly level of insight.

  39. 2889
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Barnaby’s face is getting redder than the Senate uphostry.

    Yeah, he would be so out of place in the House of Reps.

  40. 2890
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Nick Minchin (back from the toilet):

    Yeah, the wrong part came back.

  41. 2891
    thewetmale
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    …Far more adroit than Barnaby

  42. 2892
    triton
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    1800 homes lost in the bushfires is the latest estimate.

  43. 2893
    Oz
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    HAHAHA

    “What asset are you going to sell to raise money?”

    Idiot f*cking conservatives. Selling assets is not the only way to pay off government.

  44. 2894
    Oz
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    *Pay off government debt.

  45. 2895
    BK
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    A healthy and productive economy – when it comes – is the only way to pay off debt.

  46. 2896
    polyquats
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    ROFL

    Barnaby doesn’t know what asset the Govt will sell to pay back the deficit – yeah, cos Howard already sold them all!! As if that is the only way to retire debt, just because it’s Howard’s way.

  47. 2897
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Which is an admission that the only way the Liberals paid off debt is by selling things, not by good economic management.

  48. 2898
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Conroy being an idiot as usual. Just threatened with expulsion.

    That would go over well with Rudd if Labor lost the vote because they didn’t have the numbers.

    Evans turns around and gives him a serve.

  49. 2899
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Fielding tells off Joyce!

  50. 2900
    Dario
    Posted Friday, February 13, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    “will drive up interest rates”

    Barnaby mate, you just don’t have a clue. What’s the cash rate right now pal.

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