Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Morgan: 59.5-40.5

Not exactly hot off the presses with this one, but Friday’s poll from Roy Morgan (who seem to have returned to their weekly polling habits of old) has Labor’s two-party lead at 59.5-40.5 compared with 60-40 the previous week. The primary vote movements are bigger than you would expect from this: Labor is down 2.5 per cent to 49 per cent, and the Coalition is up 1 per cent to 36.5 per cent. The slack is taken up by “independent/others”, up from 3.5 per cent to 6 per cent. Perhaps South Australians are telling survey takers they’ll vote for Nick Xenophon. Elsewhere:

• Speculation continues to mount that former WA Health Minister and Attorney-General Jim McGinty (left) will shortly be calling it a day, initiating a by-election in Fremantle to coincide with the state’s May 16 daylight saving referendum. On ABC television news, Peter Kennedy reported that rumoured preselection contender Peter Tagliaferri (right) met with McGinty and ALP state secretary Simon Mead to “discuss the possible vacancy”. However, Alan Carpenter is offering point-blank denials to speculation he might also vacate his seat of Willagee, which puts the prospect of a dangerous preselection stoush between Tagliaferri and LHMWU state secretary Dave Kelly back on the agenda. Steve Grant of the Fremantle Herald reports:

Alan Carpenter says he will remain in state parliament till the next election. He ruled out the possibility of a by-election for his safe Labor seat of Willagee … He shrugged off speculation that he and Fremantle MP Jim McGinty were contemplating mid-term retirement to make way for new Labor blood, “you might not believe me, but often I’m the last person to hear about these things”. It seems Jandakot Liberal MP Joe Francis could be more tuned in to Labor machinations than the former premier, becoming the third person to tell the Herald that LHMWU secretary Dave Kelly was being groomed to take over a Labor seat.

• What’s more, Robert Taylor of The West Australian has mused on the possibility of star Gallop/Carpenter government minister Alannah MacTiernan moving to federal politics by taking on Don Randall in Canning, where redistribution has shaved the Liberal margin from 5.6 per cent to 4.3 per cent.

• Staying in WA, the Liberal Party is having an interesting time dealing with jockeying ahead of preselection for the safe southern suburbs seat of Tangney. Sitting member Dennis Jensen (left) lost the preselection vote ahead of the last election to Matt Brown, former chief-of-staff to Defence Minister Robert Hill, but the result was overturned by prime ministerial fiat. As Robert Taylor puts it, “this time there’s no John Howard and Dr Jensen looks decidedly shaky”. Against this backdrop, local Liberal branches have been inundated with membership applications from “Muslim men”, who are believed – certainly by the Brown camp – to be enthusiasts for the incumbent. A compromise reached at the state executive saw admission granted to half the applicants, who can apparently thank Julie Bishop for arguing that “many of her east coast colleagues with big Muslim populations in their electorates were nervous about the outcome”. Taylor says a Brown supporter told him “the new members were associated with ‘strident anti-Israel statements’ from the Australian National Imams Council”.

• With independent MP Rory McEwen to call it a day, the Liberals would be pencilling in his seat of Mount Gambier as a soft target at next year’s state election. However, the Border Watch reports Liberal candidate Steve Perryman, the mayor of Mount Gambier, might face an independent challenge from Don Pegler, the mayor of Grant District Council, who has perhaps been inspired by Geoff Brock’s boilover in Frome. Grant covers the electorate’s extensive rural areas outside of the City of Mount Gambier, although the latter accounts for three times as many voters.

Andrew Landeryou at VexNews offers a colourful and detailed account of the gruelling Liberal preselection jockeying in Kooyong.

• Landeryou also notes conflicting reports on the prospect of a Right-backed preselection challenge by Noel McCoy against Phillip Ruddock in Berowra.

• Andrew Leigh and Mark McLeish have published a paper at Australian Policy Online which asks a most timely question: Are State Elections Affected by the National Economy? Using data from 191 state elections, they find a positive correlation between low unemployment and success for the incumbent, “with each additional percentage point of unemployment (or each percentage point increase over the cycle) reducing the incumbent’s re-election probability by 3-5 percentage points”. Furthermore, “what matters most is not the performance of the state economy relative to the national economy, but the state economy itself”. That being so, it seems voters “systematically commit attribution errors – giving state leaders too much blame when their economy is in recession, and too much credit when it is booming”.

• The Parliamentary Library has published a note on the redistribution of WA’s federal electorates.

632 Comments

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  1. 501
    Steve K
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: See Article 2 of comment moderation guidelines – The Management.

  2. 502
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Oh no! Here comes Julie to talk about Foreign Affairs!

  3. 503
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: Quote from earlier deleted comment deleted - The Management.

    Good idea, but Costello probably wouldn’t run.

  4. 504
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Rudd versus Costello – At last a poll on this and Rudd leads by a country mile. Bree will not be pleased. Of course there is always the stock standard claim of poll bias which I expect Bree to trot out. Just wait for it.

  5. 505
    Socrates
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Oz 497

    All the US economists I read think that both Citibank and BofA are insolvent and will need to be nationalised (100%). Even Greenspan acknowledged it in a recent speech. It will be interesting to see how it affects bank shares worldwide.

    As I said before the “bad assetts bank” alternative idea was always a con. Nobody would ever buy those assetts back, which means the whole value of that part of the bank bailout would have to be written off. Think getting a $42B stimulus through is hard? Try getting a bill passed that would see $700B US spent and then written off with no return to taxpayers. At least if they buy out Citi and BofA, they might get some money back later when they are profitable again. See
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/obama-on-nationalization/
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/02/bad-bank-assets-proposal-worse-than-you.html

  6. 506
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    William, I assume 503 is a copy of the now deleted 501?

  7. 507
    Steve K
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Good idea, but Costello probably wouldn’t run.

    Then Turnbull should advise the party (publicly) that the candidate for a blue ribbon liberal seat such as Higgins should be demanding a leadership position in government or opposition and therefore the party MUST chose a candidate for pre selection who is prepared to accept that challenge.

  8. 508
    Socrates
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn 500

    Perhaps if Turnbull renamed himself Malcolm Informal, his chances would improve.

  9. 509
    Steve K
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    SNIP: See Article 9 of comment moderation guidelines. In fact, read the whole thing – The Management.

  10. 510
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Then Turnbull should advise the party (publicly) that the candidate for a blue ribbon liberal seat such as Higgins should be demanding a leadership position

    Yeah, Turnbull should do a doorstop interview announcing Costello’s retirement from Parliament, and thanking him for his services to the party. :D

    Perhaps if Turnbull renamed himself Malcolm Informal, his chances would improve.

    Yes. He should exhaust all options. :D

  11. 511
    Steve K
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, Turnbull should do a doorstop interview announcing Costello’s retirement from Parliament, and thanking him for his services to the party.

    That’s the idea.

  12. 512
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Woah, the way Fitzgibbon is talking right now I wouldn’t be surprised if we send another few hundred troops to Afghanistan.

  13. 513
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    That’s what Clyde Cameron did to Frank Walsh in 1968. He got up at ALP state conference and called for a round of applause for the Premier, who was retiring for the good of the party. That was the first Walsh knew of his retirement.

  14. 514
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    22% of Coalition voters don’t know if Rudd or Cossie would be better, and 17% of Lib voters actually think Rudd would be better than Cossie.

    So we’ve ruled out Turnbull and Cossie as potentially beating Rudd. Who’s next?

  15. 515
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    So we’ve ruled out Turnbull and Cossie as potentially beating Rudd. Who’s next?

    If the leader of the opposition at the next election isn’t Costello or Turnbull, my guess is it will be Hockey.

  16. 516
    bob1234
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    That’s what Clyde Cameron did to Frank Walsh in 1968. He got up at ALP state conference and called for a round of applause for the Premier, who was retiring for the good of the party. That was the first Walsh knew of his retirement.

    It was a bit unfair on Walsh as he didn’t even complete one term after leading Labor out of 32 years of opposition (thanks to the electoral malapportionment known as the Playmander), but Dunstan will always be my favourite Australian political party leader of all time. That’s one good thing about being a South Australian!

  17. 517
    John Ryan
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry Bree Bumbling Bartlett has decided to jack up the power bills 26 and a half percent,I hope there’s a few by elections soon

  18. 518
    Roxanna
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Good news about Frank’s uncle who will not be charged:

    Police in Perth have decided not to charge a 77-year-old man who shot an intruder during an alleged burglary at his home in Herne Hill.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/23/2498820.htm

  19. 519
    Mary Hannah Wade
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Clyde Cameron was a plonker – you can thank him for the “no Labor MPs over 65″ rule – of course, ironically, he lived to 95

  20. 520
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    26.5%!

    ouch!

  21. 521
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Hairy Maid, you can call Cameron many things, but certainly not a plonker. He was one of the shrewdest men ever to enter an Australian Parliament.

  22. 522
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Mary, whether or not he was a plonker (whatever that may mean), was a restriction on Labor MP’S being over 65 such a bad thing? Look at the decrepid abomination that is Wilson Tuckey, and even Julie Bishop’s old Beau, Ross Lightfoot.

    Would you inflict the likes of them on Labor?

  23. 523
    Mary Hannah Wade
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Adam:

    I know it’s in your system – just call me Cupid Stunt and get on with it…

    Cameron had his flaws – the paranoid delusion about ASIO stealing his stuff being one of them

  24. 524
    ltep
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Look at the decrepid abomination that is Wilson Tuckey, and even Julie Bishop’s old Beau, Ross Lightfoot.

    The problem with Wilson Tuckey and Ross Lightfoot has nothing to do with their age.

  25. 525
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Hey that gives rise to a joke. What’s the difference between Speed Dating and Joe Hockey?

  26. 526
    Roxanna
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    [Hey that gives rise to a joke. What’s the difference between Speed Dating and Joe Hockey?[

    What?

  27. 527
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Who is Bree Bumbling Bartlett?

  28. 528
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Clyde Cameron was a special man, a shearer after leaving school at 14.

    He stood up for what he believed in – a rare thing in politics. If you think he was a plonker – you do not know what a plonker is. :P

  29. 529
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    was a restriction on Labor MP’S being over 65 such a bad thing

    Isn’t that illegal? Having seen 70+ year old surgeons practicing (including one who was quite demented as it turned out) I have sympathy with the view but we can’t stop them purely based on age.

  30. 530
    John Ryan
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    sorry missed a comma Bree,WA premier Bumbling Bartlett

  31. 531
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Roxanna would you settle on, with speed dating you don’t always have to accept the second choice?

    I don’t want to be kicked off the site!

  32. 532
    Dario
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    That’s a sloppy answer Fulvio

  33. 533
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t that illegal?

    It would be if it was taken to court. A certain Victorian state MP is well over the age limit but he defies all efforts to remove him. The rule is really a dead letter.

  34. 534
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    John, the WA Premier is Colin Barnett.

  35. 535
    dave
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Shows on wrote -

    “If the leader of the opposition at the next election isn’t Costello or Turnbull, my guess is it will be Hockey.”

    If the fibbers party are ever “lead” by secondhand joe it will be an admission they have conceded any election they face during his leadership. Same goes for dutton, hissy whine or hunt for that matter.

    Allbull is clearly on very shaky ground as the leader however, so its anyones guess. I’m sure little lying johnnie would put his hand up.

    In this context, they may need to turn to tip after all…….

  36. 536
    Mary Hannah Wade
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Adam is right

    The High Court part of the constitution is just a relic of the mid-seventies ageism

  37. 537
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Give her the right one, Dario :)

  38. 538
    ltep
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get why people think Hockey would make it as a leader. The media would rip him apart as he’s very prone to gaffes. He’d be like a smiling, more palatable Tony Abbot.

  39. 539
    Judith Barnes
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    MHW, lay off Clyde, he was a friend of mine and a grand old man, as i sit at my keyboard i can look up at a peaceful water colour his wife painted for me.

  40. 540
    Ron
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    ADAM & DIOG

    “Adam in Canberra
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    #470 to Diogenes

    “you’re just being precious, so kindly don’t use the kind of language you directed at me at #454.”

    for you Diogenes to use such uncourteous language to Adam who treats all bloggers with such gentle tolerance and manners is ……

    well words just escape me

    ah ,, arn’t you lucky , th words hav indeed come back to me ….you Diogenes ar like that insuklting Peter Overton of 60 Minuts intervewing Adam , I mean Tom Cruise…..and courteuous Tom says to Diog Overton “put your manners back in”
    You can see Diogenes your hypocessy

    Now that I’ve crritised you Diogenes and defended th inocent Adam , i shall now help you out …..give us actual quotes of Bligh (electon) and Rudd (batts) lying , thats pretty easy task isn’t it , and then then you’re off th hooks for mine

  41. 541
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Adam,

    That would be the Seitz King?

  42. 542
    Judith Barnes
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    centrebet picks Bligh to win the election with a reduced majority.

    http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25094278-5005962,00.html

  43. 543
    vera
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Judith I hope they are right but I think the betting agencies had Labor as hot favorites in WA NT and ACT and look what happpened.

  44. 544
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    It would.

    Mary, am I right in recalling that the section of the Constitution you are referring to was put there by the Rt Hon Malcolm Fraser, Liberal Prime Minister?

  45. 545
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Ron

    I didn’t actually direct my poor language at Adam directly. It was at Bligh and spilled over to the very gentlemanly Adam.

    432 covers the Bligh comment which has been downgraded from lying to intellectual dishonesty at the appeal tribunal.

    385 covers Rudd. Funnily enough, if the ETS becomes law he is “mistaken” shall be say, and if it doesn’t pass he is right. Actually, I don’t think it’s going to pass in time for 2010 if it ever passes. I think the Greens will prefer Turnbull’s model which will (supposedly) reduce emissions by more. I think Fielding and X will prefer the simplicity of a carbon tax over an ETS, which no-one seems to understand.

  46. 546
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    NEW YORK/MUMBAI: Danny Boyle's movie "Slumdog Millionaire" is a hit across the world, but in India, protesters have taken to the streets to attack the film. According to a media report, several Indians find the word "Slumdog" insulting to slum-dwellers. More generally, the rags-to-riches romance has been called "poverty porn" for the way it casts a glowing light on a very poor section of Mumbai society and promotes "slum tourism."

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Slumdog-Millionaire-protests-in-India-dont-subside/articleshow/4175471.cms

    The film has been sharply criticised as “poverty porn”. Well-respected local filmmakers have described the film as titillating western audiences with its portrayal of slum life. They have argued that the local movie industry has made better films about slums, citing pictures like Nayar, Bombay and Satya. Priyadarshan, an India film maker, complained strongly that that the film makes a mockery of India.

    “It’s nothing but a mediocre Bollywood film, which has used references from several Hindi films very smartly,” he wrote in India Today at the weekend.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3a2c1ea6-0167-11de-8199-000077b07658.html

    Meanwhile back at the Mumbai slum……..i just want to know how much of the millions made by The movie Slumdog Millionaire would get back to help the kids and people of the Mumbai slum. Now that the Western audience has had its stimulation with the poverty porn.

  47. 547
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Centrebet has odds on the leaders at the next election. Rudd/Hockey looks good odds at 8/1

    RUDD / TURNBULL 1.32
    RUDD / COSTELLO 2.65
    GILLARD / TURNBULL 8.00
    GILLARD / COSTELLO 10.00
    RUDD / HOCKEY 9.00
    SWAN / TURNBULL 15.00
    SWAN / COSTELLO 21.00
    ANY OTHER COMBINATION 26.00
    RUDD / BISHOP 26.00
    GILLARD / HOCKEY 34.00
    GILLARD / BISHOP 51.00

  48. 548
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure some of the money will finance surrogate motherhood by poverty stricken Indian women on behalf of exploitative Westerners, Finnigans.

    By the way, is it OK to call you The for short?

  49. 549
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Finns, can we keep at least a bit on topic please.

  50. 550
    Glen
    Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    The only thing in Bligh’s favour is the fact the LNP needs 20 odd seats to win almost impossible, but if the media latch on the fact she’s going early to avoid the bad news coming out during an election campaign her goose could be cooked!

    Hows about Swan in QT today HAHAHAHAH what a fool, he’s lame even when he goes on the attack…

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