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Newspoll: 58-42

The Australian reports Labor’s lead in the latest fortnightly Newspoll is up from 56-44 to 58-42. Kevin Rudd’s preferred prime minister rating is up two points to 67 per cent, and Malcolm Turnbull’s is down two to 18 per cent. More to follow.

UPDATE: Graphic here. Rudd has exchanged five points of disapproval (down to 21 per cent) for five of approval (up to 68 per cent), while Turnbull’s disapproval exceeds his approval for the first time (42 per cent to 39 per cent). Also featured are questions on foreign ownership of Australian mineral companies (it’s bad).

Elsewhere:

• The weekly Essential Research survey has Labor’s lead steady at 63-37. The other questions relate to Australia’s international relations, in particular Kevin Rudd’s handling thereof (67 per cent approve), the state of our relations with China and the United States, and the countries respondents feel “are most like Australians in their attitudes and the way they see the world”.

• Perth’s ABC TV news yesterday reported that litigious Queensland mining billionaire Clive Palmer plans to bankroll a campaign by the WA Nationals to win a Senate seat at the next federal election – something they haven’t succeeded in doing since 1975. No word on who the candidate might be. Former Deputy Premier Hendy Cowan didn’t have any luck in 2001, but he did have Graeme Campbell/One Nation to contend with on that occasion. Their subsequent efforts have been half-hearted.

• The ABC reports the WA Nationals are insisting on a precisely fixed date for the state’s elections, contrary to Premier Colin Barnett’s policy of allowing flexibility in the timing of elections in February or March “in case of natural disasters”.

• In yet more Western Australian news, Antony Green has a page up on the state’s May 16 daylight savings referendum. The Poll Bludger’s page on the concurrent Fremantle by-election is in business here.

• The Victorian Parliament’s Electoral Matters Committee will conduct an inquiry into whether the Electoral Act should be amended to expand the scope of the provision prohibiting misleading electoral material. At present this refers expressly to material “likely to mislead or deceive an elector in relation to the casting of the vote”, and is thus narrowly concerned with matters such as how-to-vote cards that deceive voters into backing the wrong party. The Victorian Electoral Commission rejected a complaint from independent Kororoit by-election candidate Les Twentyman about a Labor pamphlet stating that “a vote for Les Twentyman is a vote for the Liberals”, but its report on the by-election suggested parliament consider addressing “an undesirable trend for candidates to take advantage or build on community misunderstandings of preferential voting with confusing statements”.

• Ben Raue at the Tally Room has started an election wiki.

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  1. 1301
    Bree
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Hewson is making the rest of the panel look like headless chooks!

  2. 1302
    vera
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    frank, who gives a hoot about Tuckey’s electorate anyway, if they vote for the likes of him they deserve zilch.

  3. 1303
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Dario, take GG’s tip, roll up a pair of socks and throw them at her :D relieves negative tension and won’t break the TV either

    I would have said our worst Communications Minister ever, but there have been so many…

    She’s just making an utter fool of herself

  4. 1304
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Is it worth watching?

  5. 1305
    redwombat
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Helen…”we had a policy….” but didn’t do jack in 11 years!

  6. 1306
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Is it worth watching?

    Not one of the better episodes, put it that way

  7. 1307
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Hewson – “I’m amazed Malcolm’s even got 18% quite frankly”

    Hahahahahahahahaha

  8. 1308
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Wow, Howard’s legacy is getting a bollocking on Q&A

  9. 1309
    castle
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Fed MP (Liberal) has slammed Rudds NBN saying 19 towns in her electorate will miss out because they don’t have enough people and she wants to know what they’ll get instead

    They are priming their electorates for the next big whinge. The $2 billion Howard promised the Nationals for telecommunications in the bush in exchange for the sale of Telstra

    It will be a case of Rudd has taken this money from the bush that Howard would have delivered on.

    Pre Telstra sale the cost of a phone connection was about $180 flat. Bloke I knew told me, laughing about it, how he watched over the week as a dozer, backhoe and gang of workers laid his phone line. He lived on the outskirts of a small town. He reckoned it must have cost $15,000 -20,000 plus yet he only had to pay $180.

    With sale of Telstra I believe this guarantee disappeared.

    But Tuckey and others will be pushing the line of the bush being sold short and treated as 2nd class, despite all the benefits the bush has brought for all Australians.

  10. 1310
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Pre Telstra sale the cost of a phone connection was about $180 flat. Bloke I knew told me, laughing about it, how he watched over the week as a dozer, backhoe and gang of workers laid his phone line. He lived on the outskirts of a small town. He reckoned it must have cost $15,000 -20,000 plus yet he only had to pay $180.

    With sale of Telstra I believe this guarantee disappeared.

    Wireless gets around that problem in rural areas at least

  11. 1311
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Wireless gets around that problem in rural areas at least

    Hence the whinge about not getting Fibre – I’ll bet these people are expecting a family of 4 in the only Cattle Station in the area to get Fibre to the home.

  12. 1312
    Centre
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Bree at 1301 :(

  13. 1313
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    That is kind of a let down for those living in remote areas though.

  14. 1314
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Hence the whinge about not getting Fibre - I’ll bet these people are expecting a family of 4 in the only Cattle Station in the area to get Fibre to the home.

    Well, they know where they can stick there whinge

    That is kind of a let down for those living in remote areas though

    What, that they get 12Mbps instead of… 12Mbps???

  15. 1315
    zoomster
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    They’re still going to get higher speed broadband than they have at present, Glen – and higher than they were promised by the last Government.
    Also, as with all technology, it will very likely keep rolling out long after the 90% are connected – railroads, electricity and phone lines spread once they were initially established.

  16. 1316
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Pretty low class debate. Coonan looks like she is shaking. Nerves?

    Not really a debate.

  17. 1317
    castle
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    That is kind of a let down for those living in remote areas though.

    Getting an improved service is a let down?

    Best the libs could was dial up, gave my dad the sheeets. Loved a bet but so may times couldn’t get it on in time because of slow response.

    He would have loved the increased speed of wireless.

    But your let down line is what the Nat and bush Lib candidates will play on, even though labor is giving them a far superior service to what they ever had and was ever proposed under the Nat and Libs.

  18. 1318
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Well, Glen, do you want to pay the level of taxation that would be necessary to pay for laying fibre-optic cable to every remote locality in Australia? To the Tanami Desert? To the Torres Strait? To Milparinka and Oodnadatta and Useless Loop? No, I didn’t think so.

  19. 1319
    castle
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Glen, do you want to pay the level of taxation that would be necessary to pay for laying fibre-optic cable to every remote locality in Australia?

    The Nats want the $2 billion they were promised by Howard in exchange for selling Telstra to pay for it.

  20. 1320
    Andrew
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    anyone with HALF a brain knows that FTTH to 100% in Australia is simply not feasible.
    so the poor country folk are going to get wireless, a better service than they get now. So, true to form, the opposition peddles the politics of envy to try to steal votes

    BTW yesterday they were complaining that the govt was spending too much by going from FTTN to FTTH. Today they seem to want everyone to get FTTH. What the???

  21. 1321
    Spam Box
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    1309 – anywhere not viable (<1000 pop) will get wireless. A very limited technology at this stage. It will get better but it’s impossible to get running – fast

  22. 1322
    vera
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    They might fool some but perhaps Rudd and his travelling cabinet will do a bush tour and set the locals straight on how much better off they will be :)

  23. 1323
    Spam Box
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    I shouldn’t have said fast…. wide is the key

  24. 1324
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Adam obviously not but 12Mbp compred to 100Mbp for the city seems quite unbalanced.
    Can’t you get wireless to be half as fast as what can be achieved in the city?

  25. 1325
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Hard to know what the multipliers of this will be when completed but I imagine them to be quite significant. This sort of thing always leads to new innovations, systems and business models and so forth. People will be creating new dedicated electronic toys to take advantage of it, and people buy them. We have primed ourselves a little with normal broadband so will be read to develop faster when the turbo stuff comes along.

  26. 1326
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    The Nats want the $2 billion they were promised by Howard in exchange for selling Telstra to pay for it.

    And does anyone remember during the debate regarding the sale of the last 1/3rd of Telstra that Barnaby Joyce’s Exchange all of a sudden was upgraded for ADSL ?

  27. 1327
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    That is kind of a let down for those living in remote areas though.

    12 Mbps when a lot of remote communities today can’t even get 28.8 Kbps from a dial up modem because their phone line is pair gainee! The current regulation says that Telstra must provide a 19.2 Kbps connection to anyone in a town with 1000 people, but that is only the speed the connection CONNECTS at, it doesn’t mean the connection actually has to WORK at that speed so long as it stays connected.

    You are saying that 12 Mbps by wireless 3G or satellite isn’t enough, when your mob made Telstra a private monopoly that spends most of its time in the high court trying to stop other companies getting access to its network.

    I can get 5 Mbps, but I have exactly ONE choice of broadband – Telstra Cable – which hasn’t changed the price I pay for 3 years, because it has NO COMPETITION on its cable network.

    If I wanted ADSL, the fastest connection I could get guaranteed on my phone line is 0.5 Mbps, which doesn’t even COUNT as broadband anymore.

  28. 1328
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    I remember Coonan being interviewed on broadband before the election. She honestly had no idea what it was. You would think she would at least got herself a briefing beforehand.

  29. 1329
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Adam obviously not but 12Mbp compred to 100Mbp for the city seems quite unbalanced.

    Oh have a cry

    Can’t you get wireless to be half as fast as what can be achieved in the city?

    Probably at the same cost as giving FTTH to the rest of the country

  30. 1330
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    12 Mbps when a lot of remote communities today can’t even get 28.8 Kbps from a dial up modem because their phone line is pair gainee! The current regulation says that Telstra must provide a 19.2 Kbps connection to anyone in a town with 1000 people, but that is only the speed the connection CONNECTS at, it doesn’t mean the connection actually has to WORK at that speed so long as it stays connected.

    And it’s not just the bush either – I know someone inthe Perth suburb of Hamilton Hill who can’t get normal adsl and is relying on a ULL Connected ADSL connection which isn’t very reliable at the best of times.

  31. 1331
    evan14
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, very ordinary performance from Coonan, Hewson I’ve always had some respect for, even though I quite happily voted against him in 1993!
    Chris Bowen vs Sophie Marabella next week! Go Chris!

  32. 1332
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Adam obviously not but 12Mbp compred to 100Mbp for the city seems quite unbalanced.

    Make up your mind which argument your side wants to run with. Either 100 Mbps is TOO FAST for people in metro areas which will cost to much to build and fund, or the problem with the proposal is that it isn’t expensive ENOUGH and EVERYONE should have fibre optic cable EVERYWHERE!

    The previous government couldn’t deal with this problem, because they basically thought that the only people that deserved fast broadband is those who live in the inner capital cities. The market will of course automatically fund those areas because they are densely populated, and thus profitable.

    The previous government’s plan for outer metro areas was to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, so that we still have the situation that the metro area of our capital cities have areas that can’t get ANY broadband whatsoever. According to the previous government, this was not a problem.

  33. 1333
    jaundiced view
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Showson et al – All true, but the obvious if spurious line bound to be a mantra for the LNP arises from the fact that the new Rudd plan widens the difference between what will be the haves (city slickers promised a bazillian megapipes on tap) and the have nots (poor battling country folk in small communities on 12bps wireless maximum, often less). Get used to hearing it. But Joyce is in a bind thankfully.

  34. 1334
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    I remember Coonan being interviewed on broadband before the election. She honestly had no idea what it was.

    She demonstrated that on Q&A when she thought that 100 Mbps equals 1 Gigabit per second.

  35. 1335
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    nd the have nots (poor battling country folk in small communities on 12bps wireless maximum, often less). Get used to hearing it. But Joyce is in a bind thankfully.

    And people in rural areas have some things that people in cities don’t have, like clean air, wide open spaces. People in rural areas can’t have EVERYTHING.

    Moreover, I can’t even get close to 12 Mbps on my connection NOW, so why would they complain with 12 Mbps in 8 years time?

  36. 1336
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    She demonstrated that on Q&A when she thought that 100 Mbps equals 1 Gigabit per second.

    Well she has my sympathy there. I can never remember whether a mega is a thousand gigas or vice versa.

  37. 1337
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Well she has my sympathy there. I can never remember whether a mega is a thousand gigas or vice versa.

    but you’re not the Communications Minister in a News Conference :-)

  38. 1338
    evan14
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    I’ve avoided News Ltd publications for the last few days, I presume their coverage of Rudd’s broadband policy has been overally negative.

  39. 1339
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    I’ve avoided News Ltd publications for the last few days, I presume their coverage of Rudd’s broadband policy has been overally negative.

    Does a bear Defecate in the Woods ? :-)

  40. 1340
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    A quite a lot of money got wasted over the last decade on not much in particular. A huge case of negligence from Howard and Costello. And Costello knew at least that it was being wasted. It is like winning lotto a few times then blowing the whole lot in couple of years and looking around for your next quid.

  41. 1341
    Spam Box
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Can’t you get wireless to be half as fast as what can be achieved in the city?

    Yes and no. atm no, you can for instance, in some very very small ‘closed’ area’s, get 1/2 but only in the best of times. What Rudds on about changes everything. HUGE AMOUNTS OF DATA CAN BE SWAPPED IN A MICRO-SECOND. It’s unprecedented in this Country, nothing to do with how your monthly “ADSL etc ” bill. A fundamental change in the way we do anything, everything is on the way

  42. 1342
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    I presume their coverage of Rudd’s broadband policy has been overally negative.

    No it hasn’t. The News Ltd. papers have be generally very positive about it, because 1) it ends Telstra’s monopoly on access to homes 2) it is a future proofed system, it can become even faster as engineers figure out more sophisticated ways to send signals down the fibre.

  43. 1343
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Well she has my sympathy there. I can never remember whether a mega is a thousand gigas or vice versa.

    At least you’ve got the excuse of never having been the Communications Minister

  44. 1344
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Leigh has one too many buttons done up.

  45. 1345
    redwombat
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Ally Moore…..the SMSF trustee’s “spunk” :-)

  46. 1346
    Spam Box
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    The best way to think about it is this, at best you can get a very fast DL speed however you are limited to a UL speed of around 1/10th of that. Imagine if it works 50X faster BOTH WAYS and consider what you might do with that kind of access

  47. 1347
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    WTF??????

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/some-will-miss-out-on-broadband-burke-20090409-a29y.html

    Some homes will miss out on the Rudd government's $43 billion plan to roll out fibre-optic broadband cables to households, a frontbencher admits.

    Have these idiots been living in a hole?

  48. 1348
    jaundiced view
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Shows On [People in rural areas can’t have EVERYTHING.]

    Absolutely. And I reckon people in the bush really understand very well the limitations in getting services to them in the remoter areas.

  49. 1349
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Oh and expect The Age to link Helen Liu and the Chines Communist Party as major investors in the Brodaband Network :-)

  50. 1350
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely. And I reckon people in the bush really understand very well the limitations in getting services to them in the remoter areas.

    And if they really need more than 12 Mbps, they could move to a town with over 1000 people. Seriously, how anyone can honestly pretend that they are better on a 28.8K modem that times out every couple of hours, then they have no real interest in broadband.

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