Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Newspoll: 58-42

The Australian reports no change in Labor’s Newspoll lead from last fortnight: 58-42. Kevin Rudd is steady on 67 per cent as preferred prime minister, while Malcolm Turnbull’s is up one to 19 per cent. More to follow. Otherwise:

Essential Research has Labor’s lead down from 61-39 to 60-40. Bonus questions on financial stimulus payments and how they will be spent; who will benefit from the national broadband network (everybody, it seems); and some no-brainers on the banks.

• Antony Green offers a thorough overview of results from the Western Australian election courtesy of the WA Parliamentary Library, which has assembled a page compiling all manner of helpful electoral paraphernalia. Antony calculates the two-party result as 51.9-48.1 to the Liberals.

Ben Raue at the Tally Room has posted the nominees for Greens Senate preselection in New South Wales, where state MP Lee Rhiannon is presumably the front-runner, and Victoria, where previous candidates Richard di Natale and David Risstrom stand out in a crowded field. A productive comments thread ensues.

• Also from Ben Raue, Christian Democratic Party MLC Gordon Moyes says he “may accept an invitation from Family First” after falling out with Fred Nile.

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  1. 1451
    Socrates
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Speaking of Turnbull on the economy and tackling recession, there are two fundamental questions he should be asked in the next sitting:
    - given that he now says infrastructure is the solution (I agree), and that such project may take up to 18 months to get going, why did he say last time that we should “wait and see”?

    - if he is so concerned about debt and jobs, which means we can neither cut spending nor borrow more, WHY did he oppose the revenue measures in the last budget? Couldn’t that revenue have funded the measures he now says we need, without driving up debt? Where does he think the money comes from? Its not like a merchant bank, where you can just fleece the customers more fees.

    Its a simple equation:
    Debt = Tax Revenue – Spending

    So if Spending increases, and Tax Revenue doesn’t, debt must go up. Please explain, Malcolm.

  2. 1452
    Andrew
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    So Pyne ADMITS his role in the campaign? LOL

    “So there’s no doubt in my mind…that the suggestion that I am part of any kind of campaign against her is true.”

  3. 1453
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Adam,

    Yes, many will stick with you through the thick!

    Keating had it right when he said “You should always back the horse called self interest”. You know it’s running and you know it’s running hard.

  4. 1454
    Socrates
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Adam

    Sorry I didn’t drop enough sarcasm hints in 1449; I realise it is a stunt. Seriously though, I could see this one backfiring. Aquila is in a beautiful but mountainous area a good hours drive from Rome. I’m not sure how it would go hosting 8 world leaders and all their entourages, security and press corps at the best of times, let alone while half the buildings are still damaged and the rest are full of homeless.

    Maybe the Italian genius for organisation will shine through :D

  5. 1455
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Keating also said: “If you want a friend in politics, get a dog.” One of the saddest things I can recall a politician saying. It’s one reason among many why, although I’m happy to work for them, I’d never want to be one.

  6. 1456
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5B3r7Py2h4
    Time was, one wouldn’t have treated a German Chancellor like that. Not if one didn’t want the Totenkopf Division coming over the border the next morning.

  7. 1457
    zoomster
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    1454
    It sort of suggests a competition, though, along the lines of ‘inappropriate places to host world leaders in order to draw their attention to a crisis’.
    Australia could hold one on Ashmore reef (I know it’s all a beat up, but…), the USA one in Afghanistan, etc.

  8. 1458
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    They organised a pretty nifty empire in their day, plus the renaissance.

  9. 1459
    Socrates
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    True Adam. Plus if you want a soccer match fixed, there are none better.

  10. 1460
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Adam,

    The Holy Roman Empire was not Holy, not particularly Roman and not really an Empire.

  11. 1461
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I was thinking of the original Roman Empire. The HRE was largely a German affair.

  12. 1462
    Michael Cusack
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Has the western world got a worse leader then Silvio? His rudeness, corruption, etc seem even to make the late Bush seem acceptable.

  13. 1463
    Sertse
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Oh Italy.., the funny thing is, he’s the best they’ve got. I mean, they’ve tried the alternative literally and wilfully came back to him….

  14. 1464
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    The Italian left is in a sorry state. They’ve abandoned socialism but can’t think of anything to replace it with. What they need of course is Kevinism, but it may be difficult to translate into Italian.

  15. 1465
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    A particularly revolting human being has finally got what was coming to her.

    THE corporate career of former James Hardie chairwoman Meredith Hellicar is over.
    In a statement to the Australian Securities Exchange, Amalgamated Holdings said Ms Hellicar would resign from the board effective as of yesterday.

    The resignation leaves Ms Hellicar with no corporate positions after she quit the board of AMP yesterday.

    The NSW Supreme Court found Ms Hellicar and fellow non-executive directors of James Hardie had breached the Corporations Act by making misleading statements about the company's ability to pay asbestos compensation.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25379259-36418,00.html

  16. 1466
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m pleased to find myself in full concurrence with Mr Justice Diogenes.

  17. 1467
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    So now the press are seeking out people who say the change to immigration laws means it’s easier to get in here.
    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rudd-policies-encourage-asylum-seekers-20090424-ahka.html
    You’ve got to love this BS – “Kevin Rudd, he change everything about the future,” he’s told ABC Radio. “If I go to Australia now, different, different. Maybe accepted. But when John Howard (was the prime minister of) … Australia he said come back to Indonesia.”
    Does that ring true to you?

  18. 1468
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Looks like I’m going to have to pay my accountant more to hide my income from Mr Rudd. ;)

    PM prepares wealthy for budget pain to honour pensions pledge

    “Longer term you have to look at what can be afforded by way of additional support from those who are better off,” Mr Rudd said today.

    “A pensioner is not out there earning 150,000 a year. There is a question about fairness in Australia to how you balance it out.

    “We think Australia is all about fairness. People who are at the upper end, over time, perhaps could be in a position to provide greater support.”

    But Mr Rudd also said the Government would not increase taxes as a proportion of gross domestic product, suggesting the "mix" of tax will be changed.

    “There is always going to be possible changes at any time to the taxation mix,” he said.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25379595-601,00.html

  19. 1469
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, if they said it, they said it, and that’s a problem Rudd will have to deal with. Are suggesting the ABC or the SMH fabricated the story?

  20. 1470
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Did Howard send them back to Indonesia?

  21. 1471
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    What really has changed to make this man say this?

  22. 1472
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Given that most Australians couldn’t tell you the changes that were made how come these people know what they are, if indeed they do know?

  23. 1473
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    What really has changed to make this man say this?

    Perception.

  24. 1474
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Why would a person seeking to benefit from the “softening” of these laws “risk” having the “softening” changed by coming out with this? Kind of counterproductive don’t you think?

  25. 1475
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Given that most Australians couldn’t tell you the changes that were made how come these people know what they are, if indeed they do know?

    And remember, the Newspoll said that over 50% of people don’t think tougher laws will stop people from coming.

  26. 1476
    Dario
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    And remember, the Newspoll said that over 50% of people don’t think tougher laws will stop people from coming.

    Bah. What would the people know.

    ;-)

  27. 1477
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Gary

    I’m with you. There’s a very fishy smell about it. There could be a single stupid misinformed person who found a microphone in front of him but it looks like a setup to me.

  28. 1478
    juliem
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Woo hoo …… now we’ve got rid of the conservatives in 07 and those who are able will finally start carrying their fair share of the weight. Too many years gone by where the rich get tax breaks and cozy deals at the expense of pensioners and/or families earning less than the FTB thresholds (so receiving FTB). GO Kevin, GO Swannie, Go Tanner; and if the Coalition blocks your budget you shoot them down in a DD :-D

    Rich face higher taxes: RuddApril 24, 2009 - 10:50AM

    The Rudd government may slug high-income earners with higher taxes to bolster its budget and keep rising debt levels within a self-imposed $200 billion limit.

    http://business.theage.com.au/business/rich-face-higher-taxes-rudd-20090424-ahb7.html

  29. 1479
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    They are saying this stuff because this is what the people-smugglers are telling them so that they will be more willing to pay for passage on their boats, duh. This is the problem for you folks who don’t believe that people-smugglers exist – you have to make up silly media conspiracy stories to make the facts fit your ideas.

  30. 1480
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    It’s also probably what they’re hearing from the relatives or friends already in Australia, who are relaying what “refugee advocates” tell them and what they see and hear in the Australian media. That doesn’t make it true, but it gives it enough credibility to influence the decisions they make.

  31. 1481
    juliem
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    1468,

    Yeah, Dio, if you are in the group that Rudd was talking about, you pony up with the cash to either the Feds or your accountant, you chose. Mind you, if its the latter, you might be in a spot of bother if you are caught out months/years after the fact ….

  32. 1482
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    This is the problem for you folks who don’t believe that people-smugglers exist - you have to make up silly media conspiracy stories to make the facts fit your ideas.

    What? Who said they didn’t exist? I was questioning this bloke’s account, nothing more nothing less.
    I ask again – “Why would a person seeking to benefit from the “softening” of these laws “risk” having the “softening” changed by coming out with this? Kind of counterproductive don’t you think?”

  33. 1483
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    juliem

    you pony up with the cash to either the Feds or your accountant

    I’m giving my cash to my accountant. She’s gorgeous! Don’t tell Mrs D. :D

  34. 1484
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Those positive headlines are appearing for Rudd again. “Robin Hood Rudd may slug rich”
    And I really mean positive.

  35. 1485
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    “Why would a person seeking to benefit from the “softening” of these laws “risk” having the “softening” changed by coming out with this? Kind of counterproductive don’t you think?”

    I’ve no idea – people don’t always make rational decisions. No doubt Iraqis and Afghanis aren’t as sophisticated as you in making these political judgements. And I ask again: are you saying the ABC or the SMH have fabricated this story?

  36. 1486
    juliem
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Dio,

    Mrs. D won’t appreciate it 5 years down the road when the Feds come looking for you in an audit ;-) ……

  37. 1487
    BH
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I heard an Iraqi bloke on RN saying that his rellies in Australia had told him the laws had been softened. The rellies probably got their info from Malcolm & Co.

    Juliem – thanks for message from Judith. I was concerned after watching the DVD my SA friends sent of the ACA program a few weeks ago. One would need to be extremely strong to have to relive that stuff over and over again. I’m glad she is OK.

  38. 1488
    juliem
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    1484,

    Robin Hood is a very very nice man :-D …..

    (whether Rudd or someone else)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoWtY_h4xo

  39. 1489
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    And I ask again: are you saying the ABC or the SMH have fabricated this story?

    I have told you what I’m questioning.

  40. 1490
    BH
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Juliem -

    Especially if he’s Errol Flynn or Richard Green – boy that’s showing my age!!

  41. 1491
    Diogenes
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    “Anzac Day is a day of respect and remembrance, a day to mark a defining event for Australia and New Zealand - Gallipoli - where courage and loyalty demonstrated the intrepid character of two young nations, whose heroes now rest in peace in the soil of a friendly country,” Ms Clinton said in a statement.

    “Along with you, we pay our respects and express gratitude to your dedicated troops,” Ms Clinton said.

    “Most importantly, along with you, we remember.”

    I know you’re all going to call me nasty names but I just can’t help it.

    “Hillary, on behalf of all Australians I wish to thank you for the courage and fortitude you showed under sniper fire in Bosnia”.

  42. 1492
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    1491 – Nah Dio, I won’t give you that which you seek.

  43. 1493
    vera
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Juliem Glen and other footy fanatics
    Are you wearing your footy jumpers today? :D
    http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?link_id=59.1130

  44. 1494
    juliem
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Vera, I am, sort of ….. I’ve got a pull over style that has an open V-neck (it is more of an outer jacket style layer), I’ve a different long sleeve top on underneath it. It was bloody cold in Perth this morning and the first day of the year that I’ve started digging into the long artillery :-D …..

  45. 1495
    BH
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Not today – but when the Swannies match is on!! It is covered with words of love(!) from Tadhg Kenneally – lucky me.

    A present from a neighbour I helped with some legal docs when he acted for himself. His best mate is close to Tadhg.

    Of course the Swannies scarf hangs on the door all winter with a sign that says “This marriage is interrupted by the Footy Season”. This comes from having a grandfather take me to games from the age of 4 – inbreeding,we call it.

  46. 1496
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Diogs,

    I trust there is no vertical fiscal imbalancing going on with your Accountant.

  47. 1497
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    This is a good indication of how the Howard Government operated on the asylum issue and how it was trying to keep the issue and the public’s opinion of “illegal immigration” alive and potent.

    The immigration official claimed the ONA assessments were undermining his department's efforts to introduce new policy proposals on the issue.

    At the time, in 2007, both sides of politics were clashing over the morality and effectiveness of the Howard government's so-called Pacific Solution, under which asylum seekers would be detained offshore on Manus Island and on Nauru while their asylum claims were assessed.

    Immigration believed the ONA was underestimating the gravity of the asylum-seeker issue, despite the fact that - at the time - the flow of boatpeople had dwindled from a high of 4175 in 1999-2000 to only 25 people in 2007-08.

    At least one senior immigration official lashed ONA officers about their judgments, prompting the ONA staff to complain to Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Ian Carnell that they were being improperly pressured to modify their assessments on asylum seekers. Grubby is an understatement.

    Government sources say Mr Carnell examined the complaints but took no further action, in part because the immigration official involved had left his post and also because the ONA had defied pressure to alter its assessments.

    However, the head of the ONA, Peter Varghese, wrote to his staff after the altercation, telling them to advise him immediately if they were being pressured to doctor their intelligence assessments.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25378116-5013404,00.html

  48. 1498
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    I’ve noticed recently that News Ltd seems to have at least one story a day challenging the generally accepted theory of global warming and climate change. Today they have at least two.

    Stepping up the attack for the Libs to be able to creditably vote down the Government’s cprs legislation and not lose voter support?

    Popular acceptance of the widely contested theory that climate catastrophe threatens us because of our clogging the atmosphere with carbon dioxide emissions gains ground with even the most frivolous and deceptive claims for its validity.

    Attempts made to attribute the Victorian bushfires to climate change did not take root. But claims that climate change caused the collapse of an Antarctic ice bridge received worldwide and largely uncritical attention. Collapsing is what ice bridges do and have done for countless millennia

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25376116-7583,00.html

    MANY people think the science of climate change is settled. It isn't. And the issue is not whether there has been an overall warming during the past century. There has, although it was not uniform and none was observed during the past decade. The geologic record provides us with abundant evidence for such perpetual natural climate variability, from icecaps reaching almost to the equator to none at all, even at the poles.

    The climate debate is, in reality, about a 1.6 watts per square metre or 0.5 per cent discrepancy in the poorly known planetary energy balance.

    Let me explain.

    Without our atmosphere, the Earth would be a frozen ice ball. Natural greenhouse warming, due to atmospheric blanket, raises the temperature by about 33C. At least two-thirds of this warming is attributed to the greenhouse effect of water vapour.

    Water vapour, not carbon dioxide, is by far the most important greenhouse gas. Yet the models treat the global water cycle as just being there, relegating it to a passive agent in the climate system. Energy that is required to drive the water cycle and generate more water vapour must therefore come from somewhere else: the sun, man-made greenhouse gases, other factors or any combination of the above.

    Note, however, that because of the overwhelming importance of water vapour for the greenhouse effect, existing climate models are unlikely to yield a definitive answer about the role of carbon dioxide v the sun, for example, and the answer must be sought in past records.

    The past climate record does indeed resemble the trend in solar output. However, because three decades of satellite data show only limited variability, the solar output would have to be somehow amplified to explain the entire magnitude of the centennial warming. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change argues that because no amplifier is known, and because the atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide did increase from 280 parts per million to 370ppm, man-made greenhouse gases must be responsible for most of the energy imbalance.

    But this is an assumption, an attribution by default, not an actual empirical or experimental proof that carbon dioxide is the driver. Yet such attribution is then taken as a fact in the subsequent complex model calibrations of climate sensitivity to CO2.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25376454-7583,00.html

  49. 1499
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    You do have to wonder where Murdoch finds these people. “Sun goes round earth after all: Galileo owes the Church an apology”

  50. 1500
    vera
    Posted Friday, April 24, 2009 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Rudd’s cash handouts have worked so well that we are having to build more shops ;)

    The head of Wesfarmers says he is hopeful of expanding the company's retail workforce towards the end of the year.

    Wesfarmers owns Coles, Target, K-Mart, Bi-Lo, Liquorland, Officeworks, the hardware chain Bunnings, and a number of coal mines and insurance companies.

    "We'll be opening a number of new Bunnings stores and Coles stores and Target and K-Mart and Officeworks and the like," he said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/04/24/2551672.htm?section=justin

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