Comments on: Newspoll: 58-42 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/ Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:53:32 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: William Bowe http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-32/#comment-264882 William Bowe Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:07 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264882 <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/24/itchy-trigger-fingers/" rel="nofollow">New thread</a>. New thread.

]]> By: pedant http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-32/#comment-264881 pedant Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:56:48 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264881 AiC @ 1553 - The comment you recall being made by Labor people seems singularly reminiscent of a similar one last year, quoted with much pleasure on this site, from a Fraulein Albrechtsen. AiC @ 1553 – The comment you recall being made by Labor people seems singularly reminiscent of a similar one last year, quoted with much pleasure on this site, from a Fraulein Albrechtsen.

]]> By: pedant http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-32/#comment-264880 pedant Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:54:24 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264880 AiC @ 1549 - My memory of the 1969 campaign is a little rusty, so I'm happy to take your word for it. The quote would seem equally apposite for Gorton or McMahon. While we are thinking of quotes, the recent travails of the Opposition here brought to my mind the comment Churchill once made that "an empty taxi drew up in front of the House of Commons, and Mr Attlee got out." AiC @ 1549 – My memory of the 1969 campaign is a little rusty, so I’m happy to take your word for it. The quote would seem equally apposite for Gorton or McMahon.

While we are thinking of quotes, the recent travails of the Opposition here brought to my mind the comment Churchill once made that “an empty taxi drew up in front of the House of Commons, and Mr Attlee got out.”

]]> By: Adam in Canberra http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-32/#comment-264879 Adam in Canberra Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:52:57 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264879 Yes, McMahon was worse, surprisingly bad. I remember when he replaced Gorton, Labor people said, "What a pity, the amateur is gone, now the Libs have the old pro in charge," but he turned out to be hopeless. I remember my father, who knew people in the state Liberal Party, saying that the view in the party was that McMahon was blindsided by Nixon's trip to China and lost his nerve after that. He certainly didn't know how to handle Whitlam once he'd lost the anti-China card. Yes, McMahon was worse, surprisingly bad. I remember when he replaced Gorton, Labor people said, “What a pity, the amateur is gone, now the Libs have the old pro in charge,” but he turned out to be hopeless. I remember my father, who knew people in the state Liberal Party, saying that the view in the party was that McMahon was blindsided by Nixon’s trip to China and lost his nerve after that. He certainly didn’t know how to handle Whitlam once he’d lost the anti-China card.

]]> By: Diogenes http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-32/#comment-264878 Diogenes Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:49:42 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264878 ruawake Make sure you tell all the shop-keepers that you are spending Kev's bonus in case Bishop goes there later. Have a great holiday. ruawake

Make sure you tell all the shop-keepers that you are spending Kev’s bonus in case Bishop goes there later. Have a great holiday.

]]> By: bob1234 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-32/#comment-264877 bob1234 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:44:58 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264877 [Adam do you think changing leaders from Gorton to McMahon sealed the election for Labor in 1972?] They were stuffed either way.

Adam do you think changing leaders from Gorton to McMahon sealed the election for Labor in 1972?

They were stuffed either way.

]]> By: Glen http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-31/#comment-264876 Glen Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:43:07 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264876 Adam do you think changing leaders from Gorton to McMahon sealed the election for Labor in 1972? Adam do you think changing leaders from Gorton to McMahon sealed the election for Labor in 1972?

]]> By: Adam in Canberra http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-31/#comment-264874 Adam in Canberra Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:37:13 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264874 [And while I have the podium, the quote often attributed to Whitlam that he had a deal with McMahon, that if McMahon didn’t lies about Whitlam, Whitlam wouldn’t tell the truth about him, seems to go back at least to Adlai Stevenson.] Whitlam actually said it about Gorton during the 1969 campaign, I remember it well. It may of course be older. I'm disappointed to hear that Keating didn't coin "Get a dog," it's such a Keatingesque thing to say.

And while I have the podium, the quote often attributed to Whitlam that he had a deal with McMahon, that if McMahon didn’t lies about Whitlam, Whitlam wouldn’t tell the truth about him, seems to go back at least to Adlai Stevenson.

Whitlam actually said it about Gorton during the 1969 campaign, I remember it well. It may of course be older. I’m disappointed to hear that Keating didn’t coin “Get a dog,” it’s such a Keatingesque thing to say.

]]> By: Gusface http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-31/#comment-264873 Gusface Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:34:50 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264873 Adam Dona Maria del Rosario Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart y Silva was/is the most titled noble in the world b. 1926 28/3 9 Ducal titles,15 Marchioness's,19 Countess's,20 Grandess's,1 Viscountess and Baroness I think she was countess of every month except March ;) Adam
Dona Maria del Rosario Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart y Silva was/is the most titled noble in the world
b. 1926 28/3
9 Ducal titles,15 Marchioness’s,19 Countess’s,20 Grandess’s,1 Viscountess and Baroness

I think she was countess of every month except March
;)

]]> By: pedant http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/04/20/newspoll-58-42-6/comment-page-31/#comment-264870 pedant Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:18:48 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3142#comment-264870 1546 - change "thought" to "though". 1546 – change “thought” to “though”.

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