Comments on: Morgan: 59-41 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/ Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:25:05 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: William Bowe http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267313 William Bowe Mon, 04 May 2009 12:31:07 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267313 <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/04/newspoll-55-45-9/" rel="nofollow">New thread</a>. New thread.

]]> By: steve http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267312 steve Mon, 04 May 2009 12:29:55 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267312 Joshua Gans seems to think that the changes announced today should be passed by the Senate. [But, in actuality, today’s changes to the ETS are practical and sensible and if we can’t get a political coalition to pass this, then you can’t believe what those voting against it say about being serious about dealing with climate change.] http://economics.com.au/?p=3325 Joshua Gans seems to think that the changes announced today should be passed by the Senate.

But, in actuality, today’s changes to the ETS are practical and sensible and if we can’t get a political coalition to pass this, then you can’t believe what those voting against it say about being serious about dealing with climate change.

http://economics.com.au/?p=3325

]]> By: Lord D http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267311 Lord D Mon, 04 May 2009 12:28:18 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267311 Newspoll 55-45, 5% fall in Labor primary http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25430179-601,00.html Newspoll 55-45, 5% fall in Labor primary

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25430179-601,00.html

]]> By: evan14 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267310 evan14 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:25:01 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267310 And Dario, I always love your comments, you're much missed at the other place where I post. And Dario, I always love your comments, you’re much missed at the other place where I post.

]]> By: evan14 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267309 evan14 Mon, 04 May 2009 12:24:23 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267309 All I heard on the ABC was the usual carping from Turnball, indeed all Aunty seems to show these days are the inconsequential bleatings of the Liberal shadow front bench. All I heard on the ABC was the usual carping from Turnball, indeed all Aunty seems to show these days are the inconsequential bleatings of the Liberal shadow front bench.

]]> By: The Heysen Molotov http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267308 The Heysen Molotov Mon, 04 May 2009 12:18:03 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267308 When I heard the news I went to PB immediatly to see how the ALP hacks reacted. OZ: [The “forced to negotiate with the Coalition” argument only works if you honestly believe that Rudd/Wong wanted a stronger ETS that didn’t give the polluters a free ride. You can believe that if you like but there’s no evidence to suggest that’s the case.] Amen Yo ho ho [I mean does anyone else feel like they’re part of some nation-wide monty python sketch right now?] MP has a sketch about election night coverage with an Anthony Green like host very excited to be on TV. The candidates stand sollumly on a podium awaiting the results and its Serious Party that wins. The Silly Party candidate (dressed as a loopy clown) looses because even though their has been a demographic increase in silly people in the electorate the silly vote was split (bloody 1st past the post!) due to a very silly independent (legs dangle in the air out of a cement block) also running. [The Greens have set a bottom line for Australia to make an minimum unconditional emissions cut of 25% below 1990 levels by 2020, with a commitment to move to 40%] The Greens are working with 1990 levels as their standard whilst the government is using 2000 levels. I wish they'd use consistent scales, we rarely mention gallons and yards anymore. I think 1990 is more universally accepted. The ALP is just using 2000-standard to make their reductions apear larger. So ALP's 25% is less ambitious than the Greens 25%. When I heard the news I went to PB immediatly to see how the ALP hacks reacted.

OZ:

The “forced to negotiate with the Coalition” argument only works if you honestly believe that Rudd/Wong wanted a stronger ETS that didn’t give the polluters a free ride. You can believe that if you like but there’s no evidence to suggest that’s the case.

Amen

Yo ho ho

I mean does anyone else feel like they’re part of some nation-wide monty python sketch right now?

MP has a sketch about election night coverage with an Anthony Green like host very excited to be on TV. The candidates stand sollumly on a podium awaiting the results and its Serious Party that wins. The Silly Party candidate (dressed as a loopy clown) looses because even though their has been a demographic increase in silly people in the electorate the silly vote was split (bloody 1st past the post!) due to a very silly independent (legs dangle in the air out of a cement block) also running.

The Greens have set a bottom line for Australia to make an minimum unconditional emissions cut of 25% below 1990 levels by 2020, with a commitment to move to 40%

The Greens are working with 1990 levels as their standard whilst the government is using 2000 levels. I wish they’d use consistent scales, we rarely mention gallons and yards anymore. I think 1990 is more universally accepted. The ALP is just using 2000-standard to make their reductions apear larger. So ALP’s 25% is less ambitious than the Greens 25%.

]]> By: Andrew http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267307 Andrew Mon, 04 May 2009 12:14:59 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267307 hearing the reactions on our ABC (surprisingly giving a more balanced than usual coverage of federal politics), Rudd appears to have pleased the business groups by the slower roll out and the environmental groups by the increase in maximum targets. Quite a deft political move it would appear. Whether its the best thing for the environment or the economy is yet to be seen. I'm willing to give Rudd the benefit of the doubt given that he seems to have taken methodical and comprehensive approach to government. I really hope they get this right, and I think he has the good will of voters to give this a crack hearing the reactions on our ABC (surprisingly giving a more balanced than usual coverage of federal politics), Rudd appears to have pleased the business groups by the slower roll out and the environmental groups by the increase in maximum targets. Quite a deft political move it would appear. Whether its the best thing for the environment or the economy is yet to be seen. I’m willing to give Rudd the benefit of the doubt given that he seems to have taken methodical and comprehensive approach to government. I really hope they get this right, and I think he has the good will of voters to give this a crack

]]> By: steve http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267306 steve Mon, 04 May 2009 12:11:57 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267306 Peter Martin is having IT problems too. http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2009/05/blogging-update-somethings-stuffed.html Peter Martin is having IT problems too.

http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2009/05/blogging-update-somethings-stuffed.html

]]> By: Adam in Canberra http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267305 Adam in Canberra Mon, 04 May 2009 12:09:47 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267305 Thanks William but I don't think that address works any more, and I don't know why my email came from that address (these issues are beyond my comprehension I'm afraid). I will send you my current address. Thanks William but I don’t think that address works any more, and I don’t know why my email came from that address (these issues are beyond my comprehension I’m afraid). I will send you my current address.

]]> By: steve http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/02/morgan-59-41-6/comment-page-12/#comment-267304 steve Mon, 04 May 2009 12:02:37 +0000 http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=3236#comment-267304 John Quiggin seems to be very supportive of today's announcement. [This is significant good news. It’s obviously necessary to look at the fine print, but a 25 per cent reduction would be consistent with a global contract and converge agreement which could achieve climate stabilization. In the context of such a commitment, a delay in the start date for the scheme (inevitable in any case given the situation in the Senate) is a small price to pay, as is the temporary cap on permit prices.] http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/04/25-per-cent-by-2020/ John Quiggin seems to be very supportive of today’s announcement.

This is significant good news. It’s obviously necessary to look at the fine print, but a 25 per cent reduction would be consistent with a global contract and converge agreement which could achieve climate stabilization. In the context of such a commitment, a delay in the start date for the scheme (inevitable in any case given the situation in the Senate) is a small price to pay, as is the temporary cap on permit prices.

http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/04/25-per-cent-by-2020/

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