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Morgan: 60-40

The latest fortnightly Roy Morgan survey has Labor’s two-party lead increasing from 59-41 to 60-40. Labor’s primary vote is steady on 50 per cent, while the Coalition’s is down 1.5 per cent to 34 per cent. The balance is evenly distributed among the Greens, Family First and others.

Other news:

Antony Green tells you everything you need to know about all this double dissolution talk.

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reports the Liberal contest to replace Brendan Nelson in Bradfield could develop into a contest between two big conservative guns: The Australian’s opinion page editor Tom Switzer, and John Howard’s legendary former chief-of-staff Arthur Sinodinos.

• The Federation Press will publish a self-explanatory volume entitled Australia: The State of Democracy, edited by Marian Sawer, Norman Abjorensen and Phil Larkin of the Democratic Audit of Australia, on June 15.

Brian Costar of Swinburne University of Technology reviews the implications of the Victorian Ombudsman’s recent report into Brimbank City Council and the related internal matters of the Victorian ALP.

• The Victorian Parliament’s Electoral Matters Committee has published the final report of its Inquiry Into Political Donations and Disclosure, which I won’t claim to have read at this stage.

• Two electoral events in Western Australian tomorrow: the daylight saving referendum, which you can discuss here, and the Fremantle by-election, which you can discuss and read about in very great detail here.

886 Comments

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  1. 1
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    The next Morgan poll will be interesting in that it will show fairly accurately just what the Budget effect on voting intentions is as this poll was taken before the Budget although there were substantial budget leaks to at least give people a reasonable idea of what the Budget would contain.

    That being the case, then there seems so far to be a tick of approval from the electorate.

  2. 2
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    The latest fortnightly Roy Morgan survey has Labor’s two-party lead increasing from 59-41 to 60-40. Labor’s primary vote is steady on 50 per cent

    And thus the natural order was restored to the electorate.

    Stand easy
    ;)

  3. 3
    Dario
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Wonderful times to be an ALP supporter eh? :)

  4. 4
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    That being the case, then there seems so far to be a tick of approval from the electorate.

    Also it indicates that all the bluff and bluster by Turnbull and Hockey leading up to the Budget release was rejected by the electorate at large.

    The fact that Turnbull’s Budget reply speech and the subsequent follow up commentary by both Turnbull and Hockey, (especially on Q&A last night) differed not one jot from the pre-budget commentary, should mean that there is unlikely to be “ANY” bounce in upcoming polls towards the Coalition.

    This will be a major concern for their support base and will further undermine Turnbull’s leadership support.

  5. 5
    Dario
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Where’s Boerwar? The ASX is up 1.6% today… it must still be the budget, or Turnbull’s brilliant reply right?

  6. 6
    evan14
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    I predict Labor’s lead will increase in next week’s Newspoll.
    Yes, after all the buildup and hype from the Liberal media toadies, Turnball’s Budget Reply was a fizzer!

  7. 7
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Turnball’s Budget Reply was a fizzer!

    I agree with you but Kieran Gilbert on Lib…. err ….Sky Noos said it was a srong speech and should secure his leadership to the next election. Promises, promises.

  8. 8
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    srong = strong

  9. 9
    Socrates
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    I think the ASX is up because after Turnbull’s reply the market is confident that Swan will remain treasurer for some time :)

  10. 10
    Cuppa
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    The proportion of people who went to the trouble of listening to Turnbull’s reply would be small compared to those who listened to the budget. Therefore, I think Tunbull’s effort will make minimal difference either way. The budget was likely to impress, with its rise to the pension and huge infrastructure investment. People can see that these are the measures appropriate for the times. Next Newspoll to show a 2-point improvement to the government.

  11. 11
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Another protester, John Marri, yelled into a megaphone to get across his message that the $32-a-week pension increase announced this week was not enough and had come too late.

    I sees it but I don’t believe it. Now this is absurd and hurting their cause. Ungrateful pr…s.
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/protesting-pensioners-stop-cbd-traffic-20090515-b5g1.html

  12. 12
    Cuppa
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Gary at number 11: You can bet your life they are the sort of geniuses who will join with the coalition in moaning about “the government going into debt”.

  13. 13
    Socrates
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    I agree GB – all those “representative” pensioners protestors are doing now is exposing that they are hopelessly partisan and anti-Labor, and will never be satisfied. Rudd or Swan should ask them where they were when Howard refused to raise the pension despite ten years of budget surpluses?

    The answer is that Howard knew they would vote for him anyway and so did nothing, as Poss’s analysis shows:
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/15/gen-blue/

  14. 14
    Swing Lowe
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Surely it would make more sense for the Libs if Switzer got Bradfield and Sinodinos got Mackellar (at the expense of the now increasingly-dead wood Bishop). It makes no sense for the two of them to get into a major preselection fight, when there’s plenty of deadwood lying around on the Opposition backbenches.

    An even better idea would have been to put Switzer in Robertson (against the highly vulnerable Belinda Neal) and Sinodinos in Bradfield. That way, you get both of them into parliament as well as picking up a marginal seat.

  15. 15
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Spot on Cuppa (12).
    5 Dario, now come on, you know whatever Rudd does that seemingly turns negative somehow is his fault but when it seemingly has a positive effect it has nothing to do with him. Haven’t you learned anything yet?

  16. 16
    ltep
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    The proportion of people who went to the trouble of listening to Turnbull’s reply would be small compared to those who listened to the budget.

    The Budget speech was watched by about 1.07 million viewers. The Budget reply was watched by 0.72 million.

  17. 17
    BH
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Seems the listening audience to Turnbull last night was 721,000.

    Keiran Gilbert needs to take a cold shower but nothing like talking up your boy. Hewson was trying hard this to do the same with Gilbert on Agenda.

    Malcolm has to get personal tho – his comment that his speech and the hard decision to increase ciggies’ tax shows he is a better man than that dreadful Rudd is hilarious too,

  18. 18
    Aurelianus
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    I watched Q&A last night.

    Lindsay Tanner
    Is a spanner
    Loosening the nuts of the Liberal machine

    Joe Hockey
    Is too cocky
    Whining and jibing and shouting obscene

    I think even the most hardened Liberal fanwill find the above poem a self complete, self supporting argument.

  19. 19
    Dario
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    5 Dario, now come on, you know whatever Rudd does that seemingly turns negative somehow is his fault but when it seemingly has a positive effect it has nothing to do with him. Haven’t you learned anything yet?

    Sorry, I should have known :)

  20. 20
    BH
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Ah, you beat me, Itep. We tuned in to the 7.30 Report – watched footy tips on Fox for the first half which was far more interesting than Mr Turnbull’s half-truths.

  21. 21
    Dario
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Seems the listening audience to Turnbull last night was 721,000

    Listening audience?

  22. 22
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Listening audience?

    Lol !!! It was so boring and with Turnbull just droning on, I went to sleep two thirds of the way through.

  23. 23
    Cuppa
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    My feeling is that those who tuned in to catch Turnbull were predominantly Coalition supporters, looking to see what “their boy” had to say.

  24. 24
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Will Tom Switzer continue editing the opinion section of The Australian from the Liberal backbench? This would complete the merger, as well as transferring his salary to the taxpayer. A nice arrangement all round.

  25. 25
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Adam, he hasnt done that for a while.

  26. 26
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Turnbull is moving along the same lines as Howard in wanting to eliminate Medicare. They do love to give the Government a range of things to bash them about the head with, don’t they. Just love their strategy.

    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has accused the Opposition of wanting to get rid of Medicare in the wake of Malcolm Turnbull's decision to oppose means testing the private health insurance rebate.

    But Mr Rudd has seized on Mr Turnbull's comments earlier today in which he said that "in an ideal world every Australian would have private health insurance" as a signal that the Opposition would abolish Medicare.

    "Mr Turnbull for the first time has said that all Australians should have public health insurance. That means the end of universal public insurance through Medicare," he said.

    "I am stunned that he has introduced this into the policy and political debate of our country.

    "What we have here I think is something as radical as WorkChoices."

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/15/2571709.htm?section=justin

  27. 27
    BH
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Dario – yeah, you got me. It shld have been watching altho probably many of them were listening hard to hear what his debt would be.

    He must be mad with Hockey for spitting out the $25b. less figure the other day. But his debt is the ‘name he cannot speak’ so there should be no more silly comments about Swannie not mentioning his debt.

  28. 28
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Kindly do NOT spoil my jokes with tiresome facts, Possum.

  29. 29
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Ooh, sorry.

    Normal standup will now resume.

  30. 30
    BH
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Vera – have I missed you out the front of Turnbull’s office in your ‘altogether’. I’d drive to Sydney for that. Especially if you were joined by Fielding in his. lol.

    Heard Grattan, Malcolm Farr and Bongiorno on RN this a.m. – none of them were impressed with Turnbull last night except for in the delivery of the speech. His barrister’s wormly ways were good experience for delivery. None were impressed by the content. Their comments were interesting.

  31. 31
    Socrates
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    There is still one credible, potentially damaging team yet to give their critique on the budget – The Chaser Team.

  32. 32
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Turnbull does a good line in haughty contempt. That may go down well in court but it won’t win him an election.

  33. 33
    Cuppa
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    The claim that Liberals make against Rudd – “all talk no substance” – surely applies to Turnbull after last night’s little effort.

  34. 34
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    he said that "in an ideal world every Australian would have private health insurance"

    Wouldn’t that mean that the taxpayer ie the Government, have to subsidise those without the ability to pay for comprehensive health cover, wouldn’t that mean that the Government would have to cover the total cost of those who cannot afford comprehensive health cover like pensioners, the disabled, the unemployed and those on low incomes who can barely exist now?

    Wouldn’t it be better to have a universal comprehensive health cover for “ALL” Australians rather than the costly and inequitable mismatch we have now which excludes a major portion of the population from decent health care and is becoming prohibitively expensive?

    Oh, I remember now. We once had that. Brought in by Gough Whitlam, wasn’t it? And it was a program that John Howard and the vested interests in the Medical Profession and their Union, the AMA vowed to destroy and almost succeeded.

  35. 35
    Swing Lowe
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    On a completely random note (mainly because I have nothing to contribute about Turnbull’s budget reply as I was winning money at poker), I think Labor has been extremely lucky with the news coverage this week regarding the budget.

    On the week when it would ordinarily expect to get pilloried on the front pages every day, they’ve been relegated to the inside pages of the tabloids thanks to Matthew Johns (at least in the Northern states).

    One has to feel mildly sorry for the Coalition (although I view it through the lens of schadenfreude) about this. They have one opportunity for a good week and they lose it through no fault of their own…

  36. 36
    scorpio
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    His barrister’s wormly ways were good experience for delivery. None were impressed by the content. Their comments were interesting.

    Yeah, no wonder Judges and Jurors go to sleep during trials. It lulled me off to sleep when I wasn’t even tired.

  37. 37
    BH
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    ‘Haughty contempt’ is excellent, Poss. They’re the words I have been trying to find in my somewhat aged brain. Thanks. It is perfect.

  38. 38
    Yo ho ho
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    http://business.smh.com.au/business/a-nation-of-whingers-20090515-b5bm.html?page=-1

    Oh what a miserable nation of whingers. From selfish top to whining bottom, the media-presented budget response has been an unedifying series of whining turkeys. For a minute overlook the deficient politicians forever displaying that their own jobs are their first priority and survey the electorate they deserve.

  39. 39
    jaundiced view
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Psephos

    Do your cats wear pyjamas? With different designs on them? And with food stains? Because if they did then we could have this :
    Adam’s cats’ pyjamases’s dinners’s stains match their patterns’s colours. I think.

  40. 40
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Yo Ho Ho,

    Looks like you can add whinging journalists to the tally.

  41. 41
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    In an ideal world Australia would have a health insurance industry which sold a product which Australians wanted to buy, without being forced to or bribed to do so with taxpayers’ money. Instead we have a health insurance industry which sells crap products which few people want to buy.

  42. 42
    Yo ho ho
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Looks like you can add whinging journalists to the tally

    It’s quite an article. You can almost see the anger dripping off the page. Plust there’s plenty in there to agree and disagree with. Good times in my view.

  43. 43
    Dario
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    On the week when it would ordinarily expect to get pilloried on the front pages every day, they’ve been relegated to the inside pages of the tabloids thanks to Matthew Johns (at least in the Northern states).

    Gotta love footy ;-)

  44. 44
    ruawake
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Why does Malcolm want to fight the Govt. on Health issues?

    Or was it a cunning plan to pass the Alcopops bill without a “back-flip” thus removing a DD trigger? :)

  45. 45
    ShowsOn
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Instead we have a health insurance industry which sells crap products which few people want to buy.

    It was rumoured that the government was going to completely remove the 30 per cent rebate on plans that subsidised nonsense ‘medicine’ like crystal healing and homoeopathy, did they do this?

    I have no problem with a person using those ‘remedies’ if they want to, but they shouldn’t receive ONE CENT of public money.

  46. 46
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    ShownOn, you’re just saying that because you’ve got shakra issues. :-D

  47. 47
    The Finnigans
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    But Mr Rudd has seized on Mr Turnbull's comments earlier today in which he said that "in an ideal world every Australian would have private health insurance" as a signal that the Opposition would abolish Medicare.

    "Mr Turnbull for the first time has said that all Australians should have public health insurance. That means the end of universal public insurance through Medicare," he said.

    "What we have here I think is something as radical as WorkChoices."

    The new Liberal Private Medicare scheme is called: MalChoices.

    Yes, who do you trust to make you better when you are sick, it’s MalChoices. We can guarantee that the Malpractice is always with you.

  48. 48
    ruawake
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    The Govt should ditch the 30% rebate on Private Health insurance premiums, ditch the increased Medicare levy for those high income earners who do not take out insurance.

    This revenue should be returned to the Public Hospital system.

    Then it would not matter if the policies include shakra stimulating – if people want it they can insure for it.

  49. 49
    Boerwar
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Dario et al

    All right, all right, so the stock market is up today. Irrational exuberance emanating from day trading kiddies combined with thin volumes overcomes the commonsense of older and wiser investors who realize that the budget has cost them money. The instos are staying out as well. Just give reality some time. Youse’ll see.

    BTW am I the only bludger who thinks the budget itself was based on irrational exuberance or is everyone here happy that Swan has based it on accurate forecasts?

    btw Where is Centre? After his statement yesterday, I hope he didn’t short today’s market. lol.

  50. 50
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Haughty contempt’ is excellent, Poss. They’re the words I have been trying to find in my somewhat aged brain. Thanks. It is perfect.

    Ahem…

    Psephos
    Posted Friday, May 15, 2009 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
    Turnbull does a good line in haughty contempt. That may go down well in court but it won’t win him an election.

    Bye for now

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