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	<title>Comments on: Morgan: 60-40</title>
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	<description>Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth</description>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273439</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/18/acnielsen-53-47/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New thread&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/18/acnielsen-53-47/" rel="nofollow">New thread</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Boerwar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273437</link>
		<dc:creator>Boerwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm

Socrates

Let&#039;s see, 20 million into 1.2 billion goes China has 60 times our voting power. Europe has roughly 30 times our voting power. Africa ditto. India also about 60 times over voting power.

My guess is that the HowRudd Convergence has just about shredded our international cred on global warming... 

Why would people listen to an Aussie King Coal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm</p>
<p>Socrates</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, 20 million into 1.2 billion goes China has 60 times our voting power. Europe has roughly 30 times our voting power. Africa ditto. India also about 60 times over voting power.</p>
<p>My guess is that the HowRudd Convergence has just about shredded our international cred on global warming&#8230; </p>
<p>Why would people listen to an Aussie King Coal?</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273435</link>
		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched Eurovision for a laugh tonight and can take comfort that, however flawed, our voting system is not as bad as that one.  The peception of voting blocs picking songs other than on merit isn&#039;t jsut peception; it has been analysed quite a bit:
http://www.liacs.nl/~tcocx/songfestival/indexenglish.html

This made me think though, just how unrepresentative the international one-vote-per-nation type systems are, including the UN. Some like to think we &quot;punch above our weight&quot; in such fora.  But is that what we should be aiming for?  It would seem better if everyone punched proportional to their weight.  Considering issues like the GFC and soon CC, the need for coordinated international action is rising, but our ability to deliver it is still low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched Eurovision for a laugh tonight and can take comfort that, however flawed, our voting system is not as bad as that one.  The peception of voting blocs picking songs other than on merit isn&#8217;t jsut peception; it has been analysed quite a bit:<br />
<a href="http://www.liacs.nl/~tcocx/songfestival/indexenglish.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.liacs.nl/~tcocx/songfestival/indexenglish.html</a></p>
<p>This made me think though, just how unrepresentative the international one-vote-per-nation type systems are, including the UN. Some like to think we &#8220;punch above our weight&#8221; in such fora.  But is that what we should be aiming for?  It would seem better if everyone punched proportional to their weight.  Considering issues like the GFC and soon CC, the need for coordinated international action is rising, but our ability to deliver it is still low.</p>
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		<title>By: Boerwar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273431</link>
		<dc:creator>Boerwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose the question is, &#039;By What Shall Ye Judge Them?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the question is, &#8216;By What Shall Ye Judge Them?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273429</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#875: Yes, this isn&#039;t the first time you&#039;ve ended up having a different conversation from everybody else. This one had its genesis &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-17/#comment-273357&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#875: Yes, this isn&#8217;t the first time you&#8217;ve ended up having a different conversation from everybody else. This one had its genesis <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-17/#comment-273357" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gusface</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273428</link>
		<dc:creator>Gusface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Got me there.]

still awaiting your link re @859  [72 election but was removed for supporting some aspects of the White Australia policy]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Got me there.</p></blockquote>
<p>still awaiting your link re @859  [72 election but was removed for supporting some aspects of the White Australia policy]</p>
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		<title>By: Gusface</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273425</link>
		<dc:creator>Gusface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[through his megalomania and his winner takes all social conservativism, he has virtually eleminated the conservative side of politics as a serious force, probably for a decade to come.]

Ahhh

But try as he might, and god did he try, he couldny oust the wily P georgiou, yet he disposed of how many labor leaders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>through his megalomania and his winner takes all social conservativism, he has virtually eleminated the conservative side of politics as a serious force, probably for a decade to come.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ahhh</p>
<p>But try as he might, and god did he try, he couldny oust the wily P georgiou, yet he disposed of how many labor leaders?</p>
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		<title>By: Boerwar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273423</link>
		<dc:creator>Boerwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too early to say, really but I think I would give the title to Howard. Here are his achievements:

(1) through his megalomania and his winner takes all social conservativism, he has virtually eleminated the conservative side of politics as a serious force, probably for a decade to come.
(2) he took us into two wars - consequences yet to be paid.
(3) he ate up the boom years - consequences yet to be paid.
(4) he normalized xenophobia
(5) he ate up the boom years
(6) he fostered an entitlements mentality that will be difficult to roll back.
(7) most of all, he cost us a decade of do nothing on climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too early to say, really but I think I would give the title to Howard. Here are his achievements:</p>
<p>(1) through his megalomania and his winner takes all social conservativism, he has virtually eleminated the conservative side of politics as a serious force, probably for a decade to come.<br />
(2) he took us into two wars &#8211; consequences yet to be paid.<br />
(3) he ate up the boom years &#8211; consequences yet to be paid.<br />
(4) he normalized xenophobia<br />
(5) he ate up the boom years<br />
(6) he fostered an entitlements mentality that will be difficult to roll back.<br />
(7) most of all, he cost us a decade of do nothing on climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/15/morgan-60-40-7/comment-page-18/#comment-273422</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Is your memory good enough to point to anyone else who was the designated ALP spokesperson on electoral matters pre-1972?]

Got me there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is your memory good enough to point to anyone else who was the designated ALP spokesperson on electoral matters pre-1972?</p></blockquote>
<p>Got me there.</p>
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		<title>By: pedant</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, in none of this have I been trying to argue that Daly was in any sense a major historical figure - he wasn&#039;t.  I have simply been responding to Mr Bowe&#039;s request to be reminded of what Daly did in his time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, in none of this have I been trying to argue that Daly was in any sense a major historical figure &#8211; he wasn&#8217;t.  I have simply been responding to Mr Bowe&#8217;s request to be reminded of what Daly did in his time.</p>
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