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Reuters Poll Trend: 56.6-43.4

Reuters Poll Trend is back in business, presumably resuming its old methods of providing a weighted aggregate of results from Newspoll, Morgan and ACNielsen. As such it tells us nothing we didn’t already know, but its trend line is a handy thing to have. The current finding combines three weeks of results and has Labor’s two-party lead at 56.6-43.4, down from 57.3-42.7 previously.

Couple of legal matters to attend to:

• A legal challenge is proceeding against Labor’s 74-vote win in the seat of Chatsworth at the March 21 Queensland election. The LNP cites incidents of double voting and a strong overall result for Labor on absent votes as evidence of fraud. I’ve got a hat waiting to be eaten if the challenge is upheld.

• Gary Clark, husband of the former Lindsay MP Jackie Kelly, has been given the maximum fine of $1100 and ordered to pay more than $2000 in costs for his role in the distribution of fake pamphlets purporting to be from the “Islamic Australia Federation” in the week before the federal election. The ABC reports Magistrate Geoff Bradd aptly observing it was “difficult to think of a worst case of breaching the electoral act”, for which the penalties would seem to need strengthening.

• Note posts below on the latest state Newspoll results for Western Australia and South Australia.

423 Comments

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  1. 151
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Sir Humpy Appleby would be proud of that post

    Did it just for you Glen ;-) (though I think it was actually Sir Arnold GCMG who said the line)

  2. 152
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Cheney seems to have taken over from Limbaugh and Joe the Plumber as the Leader of the Republican Party.

    Apparently Joe the Plumber has quit the Republican party. That says it all really, the Republican party isn’t good enough for HIM!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/07/joe-the-plumber-quitting_n_198920.html

  3. 153
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Fox News promoting book being written by Sarah Palin ready for release before next race starts. They say she will be a big contender - Greta whatsername is pushing it.
    Fun ahead.

    Obama v Palin would be a landslide to the Democrats. Something like Reagan achieved in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984

  4. 154
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Yes, Joe was concerned with the GOP supporting all those Stimpacs. The fact that about 2 voted for them and more than a hundred voted against them sort of eluded him. I’m sure the GOP is glad to see the end of him.

    Palin is the one to watch, along with Romney. Here are the odds;

    Mitt Romney +400
    Sarah Palin +400
    Bobby Jindal +700
    Mike Huckabee +700
    Tim Pawlenty +700
    Mark Sanford +1400
    Charlie Crist +1400
    Newt Gingrich +1600
    David Petraeus +4000
    Jeb Bush +5000
    John McCain +5000
    Kay Bailey Hutchison +5000
    Ron Paul +5000

    I’d take Crist and then Pawlenty out of those.

  5. 155
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Good post from Bernard Keane on Rudd’s media performance of late:

    Seriously guys, don’t be ashamed of the debt – embrace it! Convince us that we need it (because we sure as heck do). Take the public with you. Sigh.

    But then I know bugger all about media spin etc. Through out 2007 I wanted Rudd to fire up and go Howard and Costello, and yet he just kept right on refusing to bite.

    Smarter than me I guess.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/21/pms-media-deceptions-treat-voters-like-children/

  6. 156
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Fox News promoting book being written by Sarah Palin ready for release before next race starts

    Obviously Fox are secretely in cahoots with Obama.

  7. 157
    Albert Ross
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Diog

    Have you got a source for the statistic you gave for the amount of sexual predation amongst the RC religious?

    The rest of you can start to read the detail here http://www.independent.ie/national-news/state-of-shame-1746476.html

    The sooner Australian governments stop subsidising these animals (RC and others) in their so called educational institutions, hospitals, employment services we will all be better off.

  8. 158
    Albert Ross
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    “Girls were routinely sexually abused, often by more than one person at a time, the report said, in “dormitories, schools, motor vehicles, bathrooms, staff bedrooms, churches, sacristies, fields, parlors, the residences of clergy, holiday locations and while with godparents and employers.”

  9. 159
    Albert Ross
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Ryan Report:

    30 page executive summary at http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/2009/CICA-ExecutiveSummary.pdf

    Full report: http://www.childabusecommission.ie/rpt/

  10. 160
    pedant
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    BH @ 150

    I suspect that the “Greta” you mentioned from Fox is Greta Van Susteren, whose father Urban van Susteren was a great friend and supporter of Senator Joe McCarthy. I suppose children can’t be held to blame for their parents, but it’s funny how the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree, a bit like Eric and Great Uncle Otto.

  11. 161
    fredn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Psephos
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Most of what priests get caught for is not paedophilia anyway, it is having sex with teenagers. Paedophilia, properly defined, is a sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children, and is quite rare. Sexual attraction to teenagers, however, is very common, and is mostly what gets people like teachers and priests into trouble.

    I really don’t think the abused really care that much when it comes to fine language points. Perhaps the grand old church can get a few re-branding hints from the grand old party.

  12. 162
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Q&A starts now for those in the eastern states.

    Tony Jones is joined by Minister for Climate Change and Water, Penny Wong; Shadow Minister for Community Services and Indigenous Affairs, Tony Abbott; author, Bob Ellis; commentator, Sue Cato; and NRMA President, Wendy Machin.

  13. 163
    Glinn Mgraw
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    a bit like Eric and Great Uncle Otto.

    That’s your second tasteless comment in as many days.

  14. 164
    jaundiced view
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    There are some leering loons in the Q & A audience tonight.

    Penny Wong interesting on the care with which pollies approach media for fear of making a mistake. You can take it as gospel from her, she’s the number one exponent in interviews of ignoring the question and repeating the set lines over and over.

  15. 165
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    OMG. The Monk’s holier than thou attitude is sickening

  16. 166
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Albert Ross

    Philip Jenkins, a professor of history and religious studies at Pennsylvania State University and the author of “Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis” (Oxford University Press, 1996)

    Dr. Jenkins pointed to a study in Chicago a decade ago that concluded that about 40 of 2,200 priests, a little less than 2 percent, had committed sexual misconduct with a minor. But only one priest of the 2,200 was classified as a pedophile.

    If you closed every institution that had 2% paedophiles, there would be none left.

  17. 167
    Albert Ross
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Diog

    Jenkins is a notorious apologist for religious predators.

  18. 168
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Evening All,

    I’m back …..

  19. 169
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Edward, where have you been old son?

  20. 170
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Diog, your propensity to defend the indefensible is really amazing. How was your childhood?

  21. 171
    zoomster
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Edward!

    Spooky.

    Have you been lurking for a long time and only just realised people missed you, or were you let out once this site outed that you were missing?

  22. 172
    redwombat
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Who opened the crypt? :-)

  23. 173
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    ESJ

    What a coincidence. I was talking about you earlier today. I thought when Studs Terkel passed that we might be getting a visit. How did the re-education go?

  24. 174
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Finns

    I’m not even offering an opinion. I’m just stating facts and drawing logical conclusions.

  25. 175
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Yes I’ve come back Christian Socialist.

  26. 176
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    If you closed every institution that had 2% paedophiles, there would be none left.

    Diog, This is not an opinion?

  27. 177
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    As William Bowe says I am a seasonal malady.

  28. 178
    polyquats
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    But where is GP tonight? Is he in the audience?

    And ‘minister for not yet”. How was that for a good line! But she handled it well.

  29. 179
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    No. That is a statement of fact given that 2% of the population are paedophiles.

  30. 180
    Diogenes
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Albert

    It wasn’t his study that came up with the figures. He was quoting them. I’ll try to find the original article.

  31. 181
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    As William Bowe says I am a seasonal malady.

    You have been lurking.

  32. 182
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Jenkins pointed to a study in Chicago a decade ago that concluded that about 40 of 2,200 priests, a little less than 2 percent, had committed sexual misconduct with a minor.

    That is a statement of fact given that 2% of the population are paedophiles.

    Diog, how did 2% of clergy morph into 2% of the population. You are a gymnast as well, amazing.

  33. 183
    jaundiced view
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Bob Ellis was the star on Q & A tonight – he effortlessly and mercilessly ridiculed the governments’ position on the emissions scheme to the point even Mr Abbott swas sympathetic of Ms Wong.

  34. 184
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    cf the Beer Mat Mum, a minor etymological point.

    ‘Smoel’ means ‘face’. But I have only heard in the context of ‘Shut your face.’

  35. 185
    Gusface
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Yes I’ve come back Christian Socialist.

    Good

    Then you will play nice
    ;)

  36. 186
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Which western democratic leader’s wife recently left him, complaining that he frequented minors?

    (Hint: his popularity rating is, I believe, still higher than that of Rudd).

  37. 187
    fredn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Q&A was interesting. Noted that Tony Abbot wasn’t willing to use religion as his moral foundation, probable not a good night for it.

    Just loved Bod Ellis. Grumpy old man with a sense of humor.

    “Penny Wong Minster for not yet”, I bet it sticks.

  38. 188
    Oz
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Boerwar, that’s too easy.

  39. 189
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Aww shucks William 181 did you miss me? – does that mean I get a pass when one of the urchins comes crying to momma over a smackdown?

  40. 190
    Gusface
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    cf the Beer Mat Mum, a minor etymological point.

    ‘Smoel’ means ‘face’. But I have only heard in the context of ‘Shut your face.’

    Is that afrikaans, and does it precede kaffir or some other derogatory term??

  41. 191
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Gus, ‘Smoel’ – Smiggle, my previous?

  42. 192
    jaundiced view
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    “Penny Wong Minster for not yet”, I bet it sticks

    And so it should.
    Penny was unconsciously quoting John Clarke and Bryan Dawe’s piece last week for a while there.

  43. 193
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Boer War,

    Mel Gibson

  44. 194
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    my previous? = my precious

  45. 195
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Diogenese

    I am with you on nepotism and public funding.

    Tax funds should go with specifications that they be spent efficiently and effectively, and should meet certain standards of transparency and equity.

    If people can’t be bothered being accountable for these sort of standards they should just knock the money back.

    I would extend the principle to publicly listed companies in the private sector where nepotism using shareholder’s funding has cost shareholder’s in some companies hundreds of millions of dollars as it turned out that the kiddies did not have the same business nous as their daddies and mummies.

  46. 196
    jaundiced view
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    The Finnigans

    my previous? = my precious

    I don’t feel that way about my own previous. :-)

  47. 197
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    GG

    LOL. Not even warm.

  48. 198
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Gusface

    Perhaps.

  49. 199
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Bob Ellis was the star on Q & A tonight

    Except for his silly comment regarding the sex in rugby incident.

  50. 200
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    ESJ

    The very one and the same? Glen and GP have tried but lack a certain je ne sais quoi in the downputtery line. Welcome back.

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