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	<title>Comments on: Morgan: 58-42/54.5-45.5</title>
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	<description>Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth</description>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277797</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 10:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/25/essential-research-59-41-3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New thread&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/25/essential-research-59-41-3/" rel="nofollow">New thread</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ShowsOn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277796</link>
		<dc:creator>ShowsOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got those quotes from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Dam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got those quotes from:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Dam" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Dam</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277795</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Dams have environmental impacts - ALL of them. You are flooding an environment.]

Do you understand what an environmental impact assessment is?

Virtually EVERYTHING has some kind of environmental impact. The idea is too see if the impacts of what you&#039;re doing - be it building a bridge, road or dam fits with legislated regulations, doesn&#039;t destroy heritage areas and doesn&#039;t have a heavy impact on the flora and fauna, particularly if they are endangered and determine impacts on the community. You have to assess whether the benefit of what you&#039;re doing outweighs any environmental or social damage. This is different for every single thing you&#039;re doing. All dams/roads/bridges do not have the same impact everywhere they are, it&#039;s completely dependent on the context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dams have environmental impacts - ALL of them. You are flooding an environment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you understand what an environmental impact assessment is?</p>
<p>Virtually EVERYTHING has some kind of environmental impact. The idea is too see if the impacts of what you&#8217;re doing &#8211; be it building a bridge, road or dam fits with legislated regulations, doesn&#8217;t destroy heritage areas and doesn&#8217;t have a heavy impact on the flora and fauna, particularly if they are endangered and determine impacts on the community. You have to assess whether the benefit of what you&#8217;re doing outweighs any environmental or social damage. This is different for every single thing you&#8217;re doing. All dams/roads/bridges do not have the same impact everywhere they are, it&#8217;s completely dependent on the context.</p>
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		<title>By: ShowsOn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277794</link>
		<dc:creator>ShowsOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Please site your reference for this claim.]
His reference is that he earlier proposed that Bob Brown has never achieved anything for the nation, therefore he perceives that anything that Bob Brown has done hasn&#039;t achieved anything for the nation.
[The Tasmanian Wilderness Society, under activist Bob Brown, which had formed from the anti-Lake Pedder Dam groups, the Tasmanian Conservation Trust and the Australian Conservation Foundation began to mount a public interest campaign concerning the river. The photographs of Dombrovskis and his colleague, Olegas Truchanas, attracted significant attention. The campaign generated 30,000 letters of support in a fortnight. A film, The Last Wild River, was shown on Tasmania&#039;s two commercial television stations.

In June, 1980, an estimated 10,000 people marched through the streets of Hobart, demanding that the government not proceed with construction. This was the largest rally in the history of the state.]
[During 1982, active membership of anti-dam organisations increased a hundredfold in mainland states. Rallies and events were held in cities around Australia. Bob Brown toured the country raising support for the anti-dam campaign, attempting to convince Liberal Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser to intervene and override the state legislation allowing the dam&#039;s construction.]
[While the blockade was ongoing, Norm Sanders resigned from the House of Assembly to contest a Senate seat. He was replaced in the assembly by Bob Brown, who had only been released the previous day after spending three weeks in jail for his role in the blockade.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Please site your reference for this claim.</p></blockquote>
<p>His reference is that he earlier proposed that Bob Brown has never achieved anything for the nation, therefore he perceives that anything that Bob Brown has done hasn&#8217;t achieved anything for the nation.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Tasmanian Wilderness Society, under activist Bob Brown, which had formed from the anti-Lake Pedder Dam groups, the Tasmanian Conservation Trust and the Australian Conservation Foundation began to mount a public interest campaign concerning the river. The photographs of Dombrovskis and his colleague, Olegas Truchanas, attracted significant attention. The campaign generated 30,000 letters of support in a fortnight. A film, The Last Wild River, was shown on Tasmania's two commercial television stations.</p>
<p>In June, 1980, an estimated 10,000 people marched through the streets of Hobart, demanding that the government not proceed with construction. This was the largest rally in the history of the state.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>During 1982, active membership of anti-dam organisations increased a hundredfold in mainland states. Rallies and events were held in cities around Australia. Bob Brown toured the country raising support for the anti-dam campaign, attempting to convince Liberal Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser to intervene and override the state legislation allowing the dam's construction.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>While the blockade was ongoing, Norm Sanders resigned from the House of Assembly to contest a Senate seat. He was replaced in the assembly by Bob Brown, who had only been released the previous day after spending three weeks in jail for his role in the blockade.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bob1234</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277793</link>
		<dc:creator>bob1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heysen:

[Even so when you compaire Iran to SA, UAE, Yemen, Kuwait, Syria, etc it is a beacon of representitive government.]

That took it a bit too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heysen:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even so when you compaire Iran to SA, UAE, Yemen, Kuwait, Syria, etc it is a beacon of representitive government.</p></blockquote>
<p>That took it a bit too far.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heysen Molotov</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heysen Molotov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never claimed it was a democracy. It is not. I said it was a psedo-democracy and has more democratic institutions (shams though they may be) than the likes of Saudi Arabia etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never claimed it was a democracy. It is not. I said it was a psedo-democracy and has more democratic institutions (shams though they may be) than the likes of Saudi Arabia etc.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heysen Molotov</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heysen Molotov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GG
[The importance of Bob Brown’s role has been greatly exaggerated.]

Please site your reference for this claim. It was my understanding that he and a mate were rafting down the river, saw engineers serveying the area and spread the word. So if I&#039;ve got my facts staight then he was there right from the start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GG</p>
<blockquote><p>The importance of Bob Brown’s role has been greatly exaggerated.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please site your reference for this claim. It was my understanding that he and a mate were rafting down the river, saw engineers serveying the area and spread the word. So if I&#8217;ve got my facts staight then he was there right from the start!</p>
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		<title>By: bob1234</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277790</link>
		<dc:creator>bob1234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran is anything but a democracy.

BTW it&#039;s spelt allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran is anything but a democracy.</p>
<p>BTW it&#8217;s spelt allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: ShowsOn</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShowsOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Yeah I know but who the people genuinely prefer out of the conservative and not-so-conservative will be elected, I think.]
But what&#039;s the point? It means millions of people can&#039;t vote for who they want to vote for. It demonstrates that the people who run Iran don&#039;t want free and fair elections because they know that will ultimately result in a counter-revolution.
[This was because the conservatives didnt dominate the candidate-veto boards, now that they do, so few lefties can run.]
Which just demonstrate that it is an unrepresentative theocratic state that abuses the basic right of everyone to have their wishes and desires democratically represented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah I know but who the people genuinely prefer out of the conservative and not-so-conservative will be elected, I think.</p></blockquote>
<p>But what&#8217;s the point? It means millions of people can&#8217;t vote for who they want to vote for. It demonstrates that the people who run Iran don&#8217;t want free and fair elections because they know that will ultimately result in a counter-revolution.</p>
<blockquote><p>This was because the conservatives didnt dominate the candidate-veto boards, now that they do, so few lefties can run.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which just demonstrate that it is an unrepresentative theocratic state that abuses the basic right of everyone to have their wishes and desires democratically represented.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heysen Molotov</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2009/05/22/morgan-58-42545-455/comment-page-27/#comment-277788</link>
		<dc:creator>The Heysen Molotov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[They are rigged by definition, because the Ayatollah can stop anyone they don’t like from being a candidate. That’s why the legislative elections are always between conservatives and not-so-conservatives.]
Yeah I know but who the people genuinely prefer out of the conservative and not-so-conservative will be elected, I think. Also whilst it has become worse in rescent times, in the early days of the Islamic Revolution genuine leftists were aloud to run. This was because the conservatives didnt dominate the candidate-veto boards, now that they do, so few lefties can run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They are rigged by definition, because the Ayatollah can stop anyone they don’t like from being a candidate. That’s why the legislative elections are always between conservatives and not-so-conservatives.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah I know but who the people genuinely prefer out of the conservative and not-so-conservative will be elected, I think. Also whilst it has become worse in rescent times, in the early days of the Islamic Revolution genuine leftists were aloud to run. This was because the conservatives didnt dominate the candidate-veto boards, now that they do, so few lefties can run.</p>
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