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Morgan: 55-45

The latest Morgan face-to-face survey of 897 respondents was conducted last weekend, at the worst possible time for Labor with respect to “utegate”, and it shows their two-party lead narrowing from 57-43 to 55-45. This is Labor’s weakest showing at a Morgan face-to-face poll since August 2008, a month before Malcolm Turnbull replaced Brendan Nelson as Liberal leader. Their primary vote is down from 48.5 per cent to 46 per cent, while the Coalition’s is up from 38 per cent to 41 per cent. The Greens are up from 7 per cent to 8.5 per cent; for what it’s worth, Family First are down from 2.5 per cent to 1 per cent.

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  1. 651
    vera
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Finns I think Kev better not be going to any of Papi’s villa parties with the 18yrs old young ladies, the media would go ape :mrgreen:

  2. 652
    vote1maxine
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Will Turnbull’s dissatisfaction rating exceed satisfaction rating in the next Newspoll? I’m expecting it to significantly do so.

  3. 653
    The Finnigans
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    When did Turnbull become involved with this frau?.

    GG, new email scandal?

    Turnbull’s new German girlfriend? Fraulein Merkel?

  4. 654
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    If (to use Tomtfab’s favourite word) the AFP pass evidence to the DPP and they decide to charge Turnbull with an offence with a penalty of 12+ months in prison. Will he stand down as leader while the charges are heard?

    Then after he is found not guilty, after a lengthy court case and after the next election, he resumes the leadership.

    It may be the only way to salvage his political career. :)

  5. 655
    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Psephos @ 624 BTW – and this is worth saying, because of the increasing comments are anything to go by …

    That SBS “Save the planet, go veg” ad is a potential disaster for the Greens. Here, in a major beef and pork area, it’s the subject of ever louder pub conversations which, somewhere between profanities, go something like “Now the Greens are trying to rob us of meat and our cattle industry”, with not just a few saying “First they want to shut down our coal industry, now its our meat industries. That’s it for the Greens as far as I’m concerned.” Only a fool gets between an Aussie and his/her T-bone, pork chops etc … and with pork come the rants about Canadian imports. A relative who drive taxis and limos (but doesn’t watch SBS) heard about it from “fares” – multiple & none of them happy.

    I assume that it’s more likely have been funded by a PETA or SDA or a multi-national oil-seed producer hoping its oil-seed and bean-based fake-food patents will wipe out all those unpatentable natural products like meat, milk, butter etc (especially now the evidence against fake foods, esp fake dairy foods, is mounting); but it doesn’t take much more than a burgeoning whispering campaign to put paid to Green chances in the meat-producing states.

  6. 656
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Finns,

    Does she have a cat?

  7. 657
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Gillard visits Iraq:
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25702887-29277,00.html

  8. 658
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    ru,

    That would be taking social progressivism to extremes.

  9. 659
    The Finnigans
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Does she have a cat?

    GG, just for yourself:

    http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_02/merkelMOS1304_468xx322.jpg

    Tony Blair was impressed.

  10. 660
    The Finnigans
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    So was Sarkozy:

    https://www.toonpool.com/user/3041/files/angela_merkel_414805.jpg

  11. 661
    The Finnigans
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    just for yourself = judge for yourself

  12. 662
    Dr Good
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    How can this make sense?

    Abetz discusses an email with Grech, and notes down some of its contents.
    Later that afternoon, in a senate hearing, Abetz asks Grech if he has seen an email answering to that description. Grech says he might have but can’t be sure.
    Abetz leaves it at that.

    Abetz must have a very very short memory or happily accepts that Grech has.

  13. 663
    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    vera @651 said “Finns I think Kev better not be going to any of Papi’s villa parties with the 18yrs old young ladies, the media would go ape :mrgreen:

    And how. New Idea, Womans Day and so on …. Then there’d be the drooling interviews – oooh wonder how Red Kerry will perform, wot! Paul B, Tony Jones … Red blooded envy-green Libs & Nats drooling … Newspoll PPM ratings through the roof … Essential R’s “What is your reaction to Kevin’s time at the villa parties?” (Tho “Pretty much wasted on Kev the Rev” would probably get the most votes) Malcolm accusing him in Parliament of corruption because he’s being offered squillions by neighbours and ALP members to carry his suitcases …

    Yeah! I’m luvin the idea!

  14. 664
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Chinese coup for Kevin Rudd's mate John Grant

    They just can’t help themselves. :P

    http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25699636-953,00.html

    Great Wall held an exclusive meeting in Sydney last week, at which Mr Grant was one of 18 Queensland dealers appointed to sell the new offerings

    What a load of tosh.

  15. 665
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    ruawake,

    The only good thing to come out of this emailgate nonsense is all the free publicity for John Grant. I hope he makes a motzer.

  16. 666
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    They just can’t help themselves. :P

    John Grant just have to break wind and News Ltd will report it.

    And Joe Spagnolo is still pissed off that Rudd has “snubbed” the ALP State Conference in preference to Rove.

    http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25700521-5005374,00.html

  17. 667
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Grant should open a utes-r-me car yard. With St Kevs loaner on the roof. ;)

  18. 668
    Socrates
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Dr Good 662

    Good point – IMO that pretty much proves Grech knew what he was doing in this i.e. he was part of it and was not duped unknowingly.

  19. 669
    The Finnigans
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Chinese coup for Kevin Rudd's mate John Grant

    Yes, which one will Kev choose?

    http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/04/18/great-walls-shanghai-line-up-hold-on-to-your-hats/

    If i were Japanese or Korean car makers, i will be afraid and very very afraid.

  20. 670
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Turnbull had a reliable source of documents – some of them “cabinet in confidence”, yet he managed to burn this source.

    Surely his fellow rabble can see how dumb this was?

  21. 671
    Socrates
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    As a vegetarian who is only too aware that our beef industry contributes more GHG emissions per year than our entire transport industry I was delighted to see the Greens run those don’t buy beef adds on SBS. No doubt they will be unpopular with those in the offending industry, just as early claims that smoking was harmful were unpopular with tobacco farmers. Still, if we never face unpleasant truths we won’t solve this or any other social problem that involves vested interests. Plus given that the entire rural food production creates less than 3% of GDP and employs less than 5% of the workforce, I’m sure that the greens will gain more votes than they lose.

    Xanthippe says that Socrates should get back to working on his thesis. Bye everyone!

  22. 672
    The Finnigans
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Whatever you like to say about Michael Jackson, it appears he has three beautiful children:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195641/Battle-Jacksons-children-Ex-wife-Debbie-Rowe-took-4m-pay-wants-custody.html

    They should be left alone and allowed to grow up “normally”.

  23. 673
    Diogenes
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    ShowsOn

    I’ll keep it up my sleeve. As someone who’s interested in the ontology of language, I’m sure you know about mirror neurons as they’re all the rage ATM but just in case I’ll provide a link.

    There’s a lot of speculation that autism is due to abnormalities of the mirror neuron system.

    http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Mirror_neurons

  24. 674
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    New Chinese Green Car to sweep world markets, made entirely of recycled materials:
    http://psephos.adam-carr.net/car.jpg

  25. 675
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    As an omnivore – why do the Greens want to ban so many things?

  26. 676
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    From Twitter

    KevinRuddPMOk. So its only a couple of hours to go before I’m on Rove. With Bruno! Any ideas guys about how I can get out of this one? KRudd
    about 2 hours ago from web

  27. 677
    Dr Good
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Psephos, I’d say it is just as well the driver has a filter to breathe through.

  28. 678
    It's Time
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    With Bruno! Any ideas guys about how I can get out of this one? K Rudd

    A sudden case of swine flu?

  29. 679
    marktwain
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    They’re not trying to ban meat-eating, ruawake, just reduce consumption.

    Much like the ALP is trying to do with alcohol, which is why I’m completely re-evaluating my relationship with them.

  30. 680
    marktwain
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Kev could always say his s#xy lederhosen have malfunctioned. I’m sure it’s worked in the past.

  31. 681
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Complete results of the European Parliament elections now available

    http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/e/europeanunion/

  32. 682
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Sorry I was getting the Supreme Master Ching Hai International Association , confused with the Greens.

    But the Go Green on their ads is not helpfull to Bob and his clan. ;)

  33. 683
    evan14
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    The press gallery hates it that Rudd goes on Rove and not INSIDERS.

  34. 684
    Diogenes
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Sacha Baron Cohen is married to an Aussie, Isla Fisher. Rudd’s problem is that SBC never goes out of character in public so he’ll be all Bruno tonight. I don’t know how he agreed to it. Sounds nuts to me.

  35. 685
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    As someone who’s interested in the ontology of language, I’m sure you know about mirror neurons as they’re all the rage ATM but just in case I’ll provide a link.

    I think the first time I heard of mirror neurons was in this book:
    http://www.amazon.com/Moving-Image-Theory-Ecological-Considerations/dp/0809327465/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1L9VEIHZ4GT0U&colid=164VELQFBBBWX

    Some of the essays try to explain how visual media that we know is not real (i.e. fiction films) can generate real emotional responses, i.e. crying, laughing, fear etc. Most old theories say we “suspend disbelief”, i.e. we actively pretend that the fictional events taking place on the screen are real. But this notion is being challenged by naturalistic theories, that are in part based on research into mirror neurons, that suggest we can actually generate real emotional responses from things we know aren’t real.

    I had no idea that a tentative connection had been found between autism and lack of mirror neuron function. If that connection is supported in other research, hopefully it will inform better ways to teach children with autism.

  36. 686
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    New CBS polls

    85% of adults want either fundamental changes to the health care system or want it rebuilt.
    59% feel that the government will do a better job at providing medical coverage than private insurance.
    57% feel the Democratic party is more likely to improve the health care system, versus only 18% with the Republicans.

    WASHINGTON, April 6 (UPI) — About 57 percent of U.S. voters favor a military response to eliminate North Korea’s missile-launching capability, a poll released Monday indicates.

    So, Americans want social democracy at home, hawkish policies abroad – just what I think!

  37. 687
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Sorry I was getting the Supreme Master Ching Hai International Association , confused with the Greens.

    But the Go Green on their ads is not helpfull to Bob and his clan. ;)

    Which our Green Brethern fail to realise that in Voter Land, any attempt to force the populus to punish the farmers will backfire badly.

    But maybe it is part of a grand plot to make eating Tofu Steaks mandatory :-)

  38. 688
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Frank

    Will Bob endorse the Supreme Master Ching Hai or will he distance his party from these vegan froot loops. :)

  39. 689
    vera
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Yes, which one will Kev choose?

    The Coolbear, it looks like a Dr death car if ever I saw one ;)
    http://www.fayerwayer.com/up/2008/10/coolbear3.jpg
    http://www.thetycho.com/news/coolbear/coolbear3.jpg

  40. 690
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    based on research into mirror neurons, that suggest we can actually generate real emotional responses from things we know aren’t real.

    Does this explain the effectiveness of the Ramachandran treatment for amputees suffering from phantom pain? A person who had had a hand amputated was suffering excruciating phantom pain in the missing hand. But when he put his arms into a box lined with mirrors which created the visual illusion that he had two intact hands, the pain stopped. His conscious mind knew that he had only one hand, but clearly another part of his brain believed the illusory visual image.

  41. 691
    Diogenes
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    SO

    Here’s a Nature download on Mirror Neurons and Autism.

    http://www.nature.com/nrneurol/journal/v5/n1/full/ncpneuro0990.html

  42. 692
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    85% of adults want either fundamental changes to the health care system or want it rebuilt.

    They could do a lot worse than just copying our Medicare system.

    I heard on Lateline that the U.S. spends 14.5% of GDP on health care, but only 68% of people have coverage.

    In Australia we spend 9% of GDP on health care, and have 100% coverage.

  43. 693
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a Nature download on Mirror Neurons and Autism.

    Thanks!

  44. 694
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Professor Peter Doherty on ABC2 Fora is comparing Climate Change denial to people who deny that HIV causes AIDS.

  45. 695
    Dr Good
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    I think Australians eating kangaroo meat rather than tofu is better for the planet.

    I’ve given up tofu, having found it hard to guarantee that it is not made with GM soya.

    The kangaroo tastes nicer too as well as being gentler on our land than either farming soya or beef. Coles kangaroo meat gets imported to WA from SA which is a saving on transport compared to soya from Qld.

  46. 696
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Rudd’s problem is that SBC never goes out of character in public so he’ll be all Bruno tonight.

    I heard him do it on NPR one time.

  47. 697
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Link.

  48. 698
    Diogenes
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Adam

    From that Nature article.

    The mirror mechanism probably also forms the neurophysiological basis for ‘mirror therapy’ (the word ‘mirror’ being used here in its literal sense), which has been shown to improve upper- limb function in patients with stroke.

    Atul Gawande has a great article about mirror therapy here in the New Yorker. Personally, I’m not convinced mirror neurons account for mirror therapy’s success but we’ll find out eventually.

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/30/080630fa_fact_gawande/?currentPage=all

  49. 699
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Rudd’s problem is that SBC never goes out of character in public so he’ll be all Bruno tonight.

    I heard him do it on NPR one time.

    It is sort of like the singer Divine who would never do interviews in character, but would only perform as such.

  50. 700
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, June 28, 2009 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Dr Good

    Just don’t make soccer boots out of kangaroo hide – or you get in trouble. ;)

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