The latest Morgan face-to-face survey of 897 respondents was conducted last weekend, at the worst possible time for Labor with respect to “utegate”, and it shows their two-party lead narrowing from 57-43 to 55-45. This is Labor’s weakest showing at a Morgan face-to-face poll since August 2008, a month before Malcolm Turnbull replaced Brendan Nelson as Liberal leader. Their primary vote is down from 48.5 per cent to 46 per cent, while the Coalition’s is up from 38 per cent to 41 per cent. The Greens are up from 7 per cent to 8.5 per cent; for what it’s worth, Family First are down from 2.5 per cent to 1 per cent.
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Morgan: 55-45
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Rudd never goes out of character in public either, so he’ll be all “can I say to Bruno” and “Can I invite Bruno to reflect” tonight, until Bruno goes mad.
I thought this is what the Rudd Govt has been saying all along, namely you gotta to take the first step and it’s been long overdue. For which they have been criticised and crucified by the Oppositions, Greens and the Goons.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy28-2009jun28,0,7474723.story?page=1
Bob Brown and his Fanclub on PB – Take note, your shrill opposition at all costs will mark you as the 2009 version of the Democrats.
Finns
That’s because it sounds a lot better coming from Obama and his team of Nobel Prize winners, than from Penny Wong.
If Julia Gillard was Minister for CC, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Obama looks like he’s got an ETS up in 5 months. Rudd/Wong are still stuffing around after 18 months.
Diog, are you trying to be:
1. Funny?
2. Sexist?
3. Racist?
All 3 and add eternally Stupid as well – methinks the Green brigade have a huge chip on their sghoulder about Rudd/Wong – they prefer the Hippie collective of Brown/Milne to dictate the debate.
Rudds ETS passed the HOR didn’t it? same as Obama’s. Neither one has passed the Senate yet.
What a silly comment. Why would Gillard do any better with Barnaby Joyce or Dennis Jensen than Wong has done?
Finns
I said Julia would be better. That rules out sexist.
I said Obama was better. That rules out racist.
Try intellectual elitist and next time.
Yes. Except our Senate voted to delay voting on it until August.
I think Obama’s aim is to have it pass the Congress by the end of the year, hopefully before Copenhagen which is in the 2nd week of December.
Gillard would be doing a lot better with the main people who matter, who are the Australian people. She would also be doing a lot better with the Liberals.
Ok Diog, a goon then
Diog Julia would have the same problems withFielding, the Greens, Barnaby and the Nats.
You’ve no evidence for either of those assertions, and I think the second is quite wrong. The Libs hate Gillard much more than they hate Wong. It’s not about personalities anyway. It’s about the fact that the Coalition fogies are in denial about climate change, and Turnbull doesn’t have enough authority to whip them into line. On top of that the Greens are playing holier-than-thou and Xenophon is playing chase-the-headline.
Diog, methinks you dont like Wong is because she’s also from SA and you hate everything to do with SA.
The big difference between Australia and the US is that in the US, the Democrats control both Houses and do not have a rump of Greens in the Senate that control the balance of power with Independents.
What do we have here in Australia again?
714 – Spot on Psephos.
Yet he lives there. If he hates the place so much, why doesn’t he emigrate to another state ?
I’ll bet he won’t get the same type of vitriol if you or I said exactly the same thing Gary.
Nobody wants him
716 – scorpio, however the party discipline is nowhere near as stringent as it is here.
To be fair SA has given us some good plonk and the comedy of Downer and Pyne.
Now that you’ve said that Frank Dio had better take cover. LOL. We can’t be right can we?
OOPS – Psephos had better take cover.
Technically it didn’t. It filibustered other debate which had the effect of delaying final consideration of the bills until August.
It also set up a time line for the final consideration of the bills in August (to be completed by the end of the first week back).
Bob1234
I can only hope.
Is there any truth to the rumour that Tony Abbott talks in his sleep?
It is rumoured that he was heard to be repeating ” I move, that the member for Sturt be no further heard ” constantly, in what some have decribed as a nightmare, others have reported the incident as divine intervention.
The Libs don’t actually care one way or the other about the CPRS or climate change. All they care about is saving their miserable arses from getting another well-deserved kicking from the voters. Delaying the first vote on the CPRS until August makes it all but impossible for Rudd to spring a DD on them this year, and that was their only priority. Their next priority will be avoiding a DD in March, and I think for that reason they’ll cave and let the CPRS bill pass in November or December.
If MHS helps Pyne lose Sturt, it would be funny if Pyne then because S.A. opposition leader. I think Pyne as opposition leader would be funnier than Downer as federal opposition leader. It would require a new Mcalef sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrFbtckAFyA
Finns
I’m very fond of SA. It’s the Athens of the South.
Adam
Of course I don’t have any evidence for those assertions; they are opinions like 99% of things said on this site. The fact that you feel the need to point it out during this argument but not in the other 99% of the time is quite telling.
Penny Wong and Julia Gillard are chalk and cheese. People sit up and take notice of Gillard and almost everyone I know switches off when Wong starts speaking. She is so bland, dour and negative that she seems to be Ruddock’s understudy.
The intricacies of carbon trading is a pretty bland subject.
Cry me a River of Crocodile Tears, Malcolm.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25702654-952,00.html
That’s quite true. But the remaining 1% of things said here are the things which I say, which are not opinions but facts, and you should remember that.
Adam
I disagree totally and you know full well there’s no Green-Lib Alliance, you may as well talk about the ALP-Lib Alliance. If the COALition vote no it will be for completely different reasons to the Greens. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
A significant % of the population realize that there is a big difference between talking about climate change and doing something about climate change!
The voters may well be polarized between wanting to act on CC or not acting but enough people will realize that the ALP plan leads to oblivion for there to be a swing to parties that will actually act, ie the Greens, democrats, climate change coalition, socialist alliance, libs-for-forests etc – the foremost of which is the Greens. There are not two poles on this issue anyway, there are three: Those that believe in science, those that pretend to believe in science but refuse to act on those purported beliefs because they are stuck in the old ways (something which would seem quite irrational if they were sincere) and those that deny the science. The voters will spread Green, ALP and Nationals/FF respectively. As has been mentioned earlier if 30% or so want tougher action then that’s enough for a swing to the Greens and based on the polls there probably will be.
Has there been independent polling on whether people think the CPRS (a) goes too far (b) is about right, or (c) doesn’t go far enough?
Psephos
Fortunately I still remember your “aether” comment so even your infallible self is only batting at 99%. And I’m not so uncharitable as to have stored up your predictions for the Democrat Primary…
No, not having an ETS at all will lead us to oblivion.
Once we have an ETS in place, then each election will include a debate on whether or not to increase the targets (and thus lower the cap).
Without an ETS, we have absolutely no mechanism to reduce our emissions.
Diog, yes, beautiful one day, riots the next:
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13652874
I think there’s some Libs that care and some that CC deniers. I think there are some Labor MP’s that care and some that are CC deniers.
There’s nothing in Labor’s policy that demonstrates that they actually care about CC or the environment, just that they recognise people (from some wacky reason) are worried about it and they have to give the impression of responding to that.
What was my “aether” comment?
There’s been a lot of questions in Essential over the past year.
Name one Labor MP who is a CC denier.
When you have all the worlds scientists screaming at you, you cannot state that you’re in line with what the science dictates would be good policy.
FF have God on their side, the Greens have science on their side and the ALP/COALition have the almighty dollar on their side. For now the $ is in charge but that is not sustainable.
Somebody has been busy, a quality job on the subtitles…somebody here do this one?
It says it was uploaded 8 months ago…if so it is remarkably appropriate for Malcolm today – because it is Godwin’s law applied in spades.
Malcolm Turnbull – Downfall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEOwfMo38Os
If the Greens had science on their side they would support nuclear power and genetically modified food and drugs.
Bidgood??
Adelaide is a country town that just kept growing.
Psephos
I believe you told us that TS Eliot could have said “aetherised” rather the “etherised” in Prufrock. It ended in dark muttering.
I can’t find the poll but I’m sure that Australians wanted a bigger target on average. But more than that, they don’t want to hear about the ETS any more. They overwhelmingly want it passed.
Turnbull knows he’s on a huge loser if he continues to obstruct the ETS, except on Andrew Bolt’s denier blog.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/817347/australians-support-ets-poll
Amazing – it mentions looking like Latham, leaking to the media. Predictive piece.
That is very wicked.
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