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Reuters Poll Trend: 55.8-44.2

The latest Reuters Poll Trend weighted average of Newspoll, Morgan and ACNielsen results has federal Labor with a two-party lead of 55.8-44.2, presumably being weighed down a little by recent results from before the weekend.

UPDATE: Roy Morgan has joined in on the action with a small sample (546) phone poll including questions on leadership approval, which Morgan doesn’t normally do. It finds Malcolm Turnbull’s approval rating down to 25 per cent from 43 per cent in May, with his disapproval up a breathtaking 33.5 per cent to 62.5 per cent. Kevin Rudd’s approval rating on 63 per cent, up from 57.5 per cent in May, with his disapproval rating down from 33.5 per cent to 29 per cent. Labor holds leads of 56-44 on two-party preferred and 46 per cent to 39 per cent on the primary vote, which is actually quite mild by Morgan standards. Newspoll has also published its quarterly geographic and demographic breakdowns of recent polling by state, age, sex, and capitals/non-capitals.

Apart from that:

• Robert Taylor of The West Australian reports that Labor preselections for some highly winnable Liberal-held seats in Perth appear to be ”stitched up”. In the only two seats in the country which the Coalition gained from Labor in 2007, Cowan and Swan, those respectively named are Wanneroo mayor Jon Kelly and Slater & Gordon lawyer Tim Hammond. Kelly is interesting, as he ran as an independent against state Labor MP Margaret Quirk in Girrawheen at the 2005 election after a split in the Right faction. In Stirling, where decorated Iraq war veteran Peter Tinley failed to unseat current Shadow Workplace Relations Minister Michael Keenan in 2007, the nod is apparently set to be given to Karen Brown, former deputy editor of The West Australian and current chief-of-staff to Eric Ripper. Brown famously failed to win the new notionally Labor seat of Mount Lawley at the state election last September after suffering an 8 per cent swing, which many blamed on Alan Carpenter’s insistence that local member Bob Kucera make way for Brown. Peter Tinley is said to be holding out for a safe seat or a Senate position, and the unlikelihood of either suggests he will not be a starter at the next election. In Hasluck, which Sharryn Jackson recovered for Labor in 2007 after a term in the wilderness, Liberals are said by Taylor to be “working behind the scenes” to secure the endorsement of Mike Dean, who last week stepped down from his high-profile position as president of the Police Union.

• The ABC reports that Kathryn Hay will seek Labor preselection for Bass at next year’s state election. Hay is a former Miss Tasmania who became Tasmania’s first Aboriginal MP when elected at the age of 27 in 2002. After surprising everybody by dropping out at the 2006 election, Hay ran as an independent against Ivan Dean in the upper house seat of Windermere in May, and did very well to finish within 5 per cent of victory on the final count. With incumbent Jim Cox retiring, Michelle O’Byrne a sure bet for re-election, and Labor looking certain to win a second seat but very unlikely to pick up a third, the battle for the second seat is looking like a tussle between Hay, Beaconsfield mine disaster survivor Brant Webb, CFMEU forests division secretary Scott McLean (who famously came out in support of John Howard at the 2004 federal election) and Winnaleah school principal Brian Wightman, with only the latter looking an obvious also-ran.

Rick Wallace of The Australian reports that George Seitz, western Melbourne Labor Right potentate and state Keilor MP, proposes to publish a “warts and all” account of his career in politics. Seitz is being forced out after nearly three decades in parliament due to a Victorian Ombudsman’s report which probed into the involvement of various state MPs in goings-on at Brimbank City Council. The aforementioned Wallace article is worth reading for a broader overview of the episode’s far-reaching impact on the Victorian ALP.

Andrew Landeryou at VexNews reports that the closure of nominations has brought no challenges to sitting federal Liberal MPs in Victoria – including Kevin Andrews in Menzies, who was believed to be under threat from former Peter Reith staffer Ian Hanke.

Nick in comments informs us that according to a Channel Nine news report, Labor polling has it trailing the Coalition 57-43 on NSW state voting intention.

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  1. 701
    vera
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what the Essential poll will be this afternoon? If it stays about the same Speers will be telling us that Turnbull has recovered from the faked email affair and is back on track to win the next election, One Term Rudd might even get another run ;)

  2. 702
    BH
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Hasn’t there also been a noticeable outcry against Murdoch media in the US lately. The liberal media don’t seem as frightened of Murdoch’s power as they used to be or am I imagining that.

    His loss of power over govt. would be driving him insane and the ranting will get worse. Only 18 months for them to turn the Lib ship around and the 3 polls last week all saying the same thing must have been an awful shock.

  3. 703
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Seeing the orcs lose government in both the US and Aust must have been very annoying for the Dark Lord. But it was more personal for Saruman Mitchell at Isengard (The Australian), since he has to answer to the Dark Lord’s wrath.

  4. 704
    Andrew
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    i may even bother with Lewis’s justification for his poor journalism if he could answer one question- When did he first learn of the email?? Methinks it wasnt Friday afternoon…

  5. 705
    dogma
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    BB mention Milne as a Carl Bernstein wannabe, here is some quotes from Carl Bernstein on journalism.

    The failures of the press have contributed immensely to the emergence of a talk-show nation, in which public discourse is reduced to ranting and raving and posturing. We now have a mainstream press whose news agenda is increasingly influenced by this netherworld.
    The greatest felony in the news business today is to be behind, or to miss a big story. So speed and quantity substitute for thoroughness and quality, for accuracy and context.
    The pressure to compete, the fear somebody else will make the splash first, creates a frenzied environment in which a blizzard of information is presented and serious questions may not be raised.
    The lowest form of popular culture—lack of information, misinformation, disinformation, and a contempt for the truth or the reality of most people’s lives—has overrun real journalism.
    Today, ordinary Americans are being stuffed with garbage.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Carl_Bernstein

    Milne can throw an air punch but it can’t connect.

  6. 706
    BH
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    And the other question – did he know that Turnbull and Abetz had spoken with Grech during the week (if that is the case). Who gave him the email.

    Psephos – thought I read somewhere that Mitchell is in a spot of bother with the Dark Lord. Perhaps Mitchell isn’t tough enough on Kev lol.

  7. 707
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    The Dark Lord can’t abide underlings who let themselves be defeated, let alone by inconsequential hobbits like Ruddo and Swanno.
    “You have failed me for the last time” (Darth Vader theme: dum-dum-dum, dum-de-dah!)

  8. 708
    BH
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Vera – OH and I were just talking about Essential poll before your comment. Will be an interesting one – wonder if they polled best Lib leader again (HOckey, Costello, Abbott).

    Close win yesterday but I was happy. Going to make the trip to SCG to see the last match to say goodbye to Mickey O – can’t miss that one.

  9. 709
    Dario
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    The Dark Lord can’t abide underlings who let themselves be defeated, let alone by inconsequential hobbits like Ruddo and Swanno.
    “You have failed me for the last time” (Darth Vader theme: dum-dum-dum, dum-de-dah!)

    Impressive. Most impressive.

  10. 710
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    What, that I can mix up LOTR and Star Wars, or that I can hum the Darth Vader theme?

  11. 711
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    I don’t suppose anyone speaks Indonesian, or knows anyone who does? I am being driven mad by the Indonesian Election Commission website.

    Herr Doktor, happy to assist :grin:

  12. 712
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Finns, you speak Indonesian?

  13. 713
    Dario
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Thanks so much to the sensationalist media. They desperately wanted swine flu to be a big story, well now they’ve managed to panic the population nicely…

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/flu-surge-at-nsw-hospitals-20090706-da21.html

    A large increase in the number of people presenting to NSW hospitals with flu-like symptoms has forced the state government to make hundreds of extra beds available.

    The number of confirmed swine flu cases in NSW has reached 1446, with western Sydney being particularly hard hit.

    To cope with a 17-fold increase in people with flu symptoms - swine or seasonal - compared to the same period last year, 550 extra beds would be made available, NSW Health Minister John Della Bosca told reporters today.

  14. 714
    Dario
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    What, that I can mix up LOTR and Star Wars, or that I can hum the Darth Vader theme?

    Well, both. Was just giving my favourite Darth quote :)

  15. 715
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Adam, yes, I do. BTw: Doktor is Indonesian.

  16. 716
    William Conroy
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Steve @ 661 you have cut me to the quick, flabbered my gast in fact, visit “the Mad Monks office” whilst we both might profess to be Christians, I would rather commit adultery than go near there, shame on you. I also am partial to the new term “Ltd News” to define Milne’s employers.

  17. 717
    Tom Hawkins
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Ltd News

    :-)

  18. 718
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Well, we learn something new every day.

    OK, what I am trying to do is navigate this website:
    http://www.kpu.go.id/
    to find the *detailed* results of the April legislative (DPR) election. I have the national figures and the names of the members elected. I want the results at constituency level. I know they’re in there somewhere, because I found the equivalent figures in 2004. But the site is such a maze, with many broken links, that without being able to read Bahasa I can’t find anything. This is a sample from 2004 of what I’m looking for
    http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/i/indonesia/indonesia200442.txt

  19. 719
    ruawake
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Finns has a babel fish gene? :)

  20. 720
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Daily Tele Watch.

    Brilliant front page journalism from Ltd. News, upholder of the Ethical Flame and Torchbearer For Honesty and Relevance:

    The out-of-control life of Jodi
    JUST when she thought it could not get any worse starlet Jodi Gordon's career has gone into free fall following allegations she paid for private lap dances in a nightclub.

    Bird attacked by drunk women
    11:10am: GREG Bird was helping a friend's drunk girlfriend out of a nightclub when two intoxicated women started attacking him, his lawyer has told a Sydney court.

    Eerie shadow a real-life Jackson thriller?
    IS THIS eerie shadow recorded during a CNN special tribute to Michael Jackson's life the restless soul of the King of Pop? Thousands of fans are already convinced it is.

    Biggest fan: Sydney's Jackson does the groomwalk
    Rant: Politician calls Jackson a Paedophile

    Woman killed man after tossing cheese balls
    A FEMALE driver high on drugs and alcohol drove into a pedestrian, killing him, after he threw cheese crisps at her car, a Sydney court has been told.
    Teen sells nude pics of his mum online

    Thank God for Harto’s Boys.

  21. 721
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Adam, i will see what i can do. The website looks like a dog’s breakfast. cheers. If i find it, i will ask William to pass you my email.

  22. 722
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    To be fair, BB, all newspaper websites seem to put their trash in the shop-window, as it were. The Age is currently leading with “Woman raped on couch” and “Hey, Hey co-creator denies sex assault.”

  23. 723
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    That’s very hominid of you, Finns. I will try to be less abusive of you in future.

  24. 724
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    To be fair, BB, all newspaper websites seem to put their trash in the shop-window, as it were.

    Yes, but if you want to hold your organization up as a bastion of free speech, relevance and truth, you have to take the rough with the smooth.

    The DT is the absolute worst in Australia, followed closely by… well… the rest of them.

    Only the OO tries to keep its hand clean from trashy sub-celebrity gossip, but instead replaces it with rants like Milne’s today. I see he has stopped publishing the anti-Glen comments and is now only publishing the “Wow Glen. What courage! You tell it like it is” botherers.

    Feeds his trumped-up self-importance I s’pose.

  25. 725
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Herr Doktor,

    Many a tear has to fall
    But it's all in the game
    All in the wonderful game
    That we know as bloggin'

  26. 726
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile the Most Popular at “THeir ABC” are:

    # Sailors embroiled in sex game scandal
    # Federer edges Roddick in epic final
    # Navy 'won't tolerate' sailor sex contests
    # Reporter feels mob's hate in the Holy City
    # MI6 spy chief's wife blows cover on Facebook
    # Umpire killed by cricket ball
    # Zoo evacuated after mass chimp break-out
    # 'Hero' shot in groin in Sydney hold-up
    # 'We have a serial killer': US town gets armed
    # Sydney man dies with swine flu
    # After Black Saturday, Kinglake struggles in silence
    # I was attacked by women: Greg Bird

  27. 727
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    That’s Raya Tuhan Doktor to you

  28. 728
    Tom Hawkins
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    It really is quite funny. The editor of the News Ltd has dismissed politics blogs as basically irrelevant but all he’s achieved is to draw attention to sites like PB and the musings of the good folk who post here. It pleases me greatly to know that PB must now be essential reading for the clones at News.Ltd. and the sniggering behind Milne’s back must be increasing in volume.

    Two top posts today from you Bill. Keep up the excellent standard mate. Your words are being read and appreciated by many journalists across the political spectrum.

  29. 729
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    No, that would be Tuan Besar Doktor Adam.

  30. 730
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Whatever you say, you get the idea.

  31. 731
    philofsydney
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Killed by a cricket ball. That’s terrible.

  32. 732
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    The only things I learned to say in Indonesia were Terimakasi and Salaam Aliyekum, which got me by.

  33. 733
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    The preferred leader for the Libs is a newie called S Else according to Essential Polls.

    Anybody know who this S Else is?

  34. 734
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and “Why did you become a bloody taxi driver if you don’t know your way around Jakarta, you moron!” I said that a lot.

  35. 735
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Gag me with a spoon! I just got it!

    “Settling theold scores” is Milne’s title. “Scores”… get it? Milne thinks Rudd s after him for “Scoresgate”.

    Very likely correct, actually, when you think about it. It was a nothing story embellished with a little nasty innuendo that Rudd had drunkenly interfered with one of the hostesses (which accusation was retracted the morning of its publication, but not before 200,000 copies of the sunday Tele had gone out and not before Milne repeated it – against Cassidy’s specific advice – on Insiders). No wonder Rudd was cranky. I’d have been too.

    And then there’s Burkegate…

  36. 736
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Essential Research: 59-41.

  37. 737
    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Psephos @ 710

    What, that I can mix up LOTR and Star Wars, or that I can hum the Darth Vader theme?

    If you’re going to mix your leitmotivs like that, shouldn’t you add Siegfried’s funeral march: Dah Dumm, Dad Dumm, da da da …usw?

  38. 738
    steve
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Tony Abbott wanted as Opposition Leader by 7% of voters. Looks like Milne has backed another winner.

  39. 739
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    BH is right. Turnbull is attempting to use Labor’s movement on youth allowance to stir confusion in the electorate.

  40. 740
    Andrew
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    sky agenda didnt mention the essential 2PP. dont know why?? interesting that SOMEONE ELSE is now preferred opposition leader behind turnbull and hockey. I think Mr. Else should challenge immediately!!

  41. 741
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    It was a nothing story embellished with a little nasty innuendo

    That was a nasty piece of filth in Milne’s story, and it was a lie apparently emanating from somebody in Downer’s office (which is not surprising since it was Downer’s office that denied rendering Habib for torture in Egypt even though US authorities pretty much confirmed that advices were given that this was happening).

  42. 742
    Tom Hawkins
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    The Liberals most popular choice for leader in the Essential poll is ‘Don’t Know’.

    Don’t Know should call for a leadership spill at the next party room meeting.

  43. 743
    Andrew
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    sorry AHEAD of hockey then turnbull

  44. 744
    steve
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Nice stats here.

    Just over half (57%) of Coalition voters surveyed think that the Liberal Party has a good team of leaders and 65% of Coalition voters think the Liberal
    Party is divided.
    The most significant shifts for the Liberal Party since we last asked this question in March 2009 are in the area of professional in its approach (-9%),
    out of touch with ordinary people (+6%) and divided (+4%).
    The major differences between the parties are on the attributes of divided (Labor 30%/Liberal 74%), has a good team of leaders (Labor 60%/Liberal 29%) and
    looks after the interests of working families (Labor 61%/Liberal 31%).

  45. 745
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    I see the two leading candidates for Oppo Leader are “someone else” and “don’t know.” Sadly, neither of these is willing to run.

    *gone*

  46. 746
    Dario
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    sky agenda didnt mention the essential 2PP. dont know why??

    Why do you think? Hahahahaha

  47. 747
    Tom Hawkins
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Andrew, A ticket of Don’t Know with Someone Else as deputy looks like a winning combination.

  48. 748
    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Re ER p7, statements describing both major parties. Not happy reading, eh Libs!. Ouch.

    And (p 6) Joe Hockey comes a third to “Someone else” and “Don’t know” in “best person to lead the Opposition”. Oh dear.

  49. 749
    Andrew
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Yes Milne seems to have gotten away with the extra bit of filfth he added to the scores story. What a sad sad man

  50. 750
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    There are known knowns. known unknowns and unknown unknowns.

    And then there’s Don’t Know.

    Next Party meeting it may be a case of Turnbull pleading, “No! Don’t!”

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