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Reuters Poll Trend: 55.8-44.2

The latest Reuters Poll Trend weighted average of Newspoll, Morgan and ACNielsen results has federal Labor with a two-party lead of 55.8-44.2, presumably being weighed down a little by recent results from before the weekend.

UPDATE: Roy Morgan has joined in on the action with a small sample (546) phone poll including questions on leadership approval, which Morgan doesn’t normally do. It finds Malcolm Turnbull’s approval rating down to 25 per cent from 43 per cent in May, with his disapproval up a breathtaking 33.5 per cent to 62.5 per cent. Kevin Rudd’s approval rating on 63 per cent, up from 57.5 per cent in May, with his disapproval rating down from 33.5 per cent to 29 per cent. Labor holds leads of 56-44 on two-party preferred and 46 per cent to 39 per cent on the primary vote, which is actually quite mild by Morgan standards. Newspoll has also published its quarterly geographic and demographic breakdowns of recent polling by state, age, sex, and capitals/non-capitals.

Apart from that:

• Robert Taylor of The West Australian reports that Labor preselections for some highly winnable Liberal-held seats in Perth appear to be ”stitched up”. In the only two seats in the country which the Coalition gained from Labor in 2007, Cowan and Swan, those respectively named are Wanneroo mayor Jon Kelly and Slater & Gordon lawyer Tim Hammond. Kelly is interesting, as he ran as an independent against state Labor MP Margaret Quirk in Girrawheen at the 2005 election after a split in the Right faction. In Stirling, where decorated Iraq war veteran Peter Tinley failed to unseat current Shadow Workplace Relations Minister Michael Keenan in 2007, the nod is apparently set to be given to Karen Brown, former deputy editor of The West Australian and current chief-of-staff to Eric Ripper. Brown famously failed to win the new notionally Labor seat of Mount Lawley at the state election last September after suffering an 8 per cent swing, which many blamed on Alan Carpenter’s insistence that local member Bob Kucera make way for Brown. Peter Tinley is said to be holding out for a safe seat or a Senate position, and the unlikelihood of either suggests he will not be a starter at the next election. In Hasluck, which Sharryn Jackson recovered for Labor in 2007 after a term in the wilderness, Liberals are said by Taylor to be “working behind the scenes” to secure the endorsement of Mike Dean, who last week stepped down from his high-profile position as president of the Police Union.

• The ABC reports that Kathryn Hay will seek Labor preselection for Bass at next year’s state election. Hay is a former Miss Tasmania who became Tasmania’s first Aboriginal MP when elected at the age of 27 in 2002. After surprising everybody by dropping out at the 2006 election, Hay ran as an independent against Ivan Dean in the upper house seat of Windermere in May, and did very well to finish within 5 per cent of victory on the final count. With incumbent Jim Cox retiring, Michelle O’Byrne a sure bet for re-election, and Labor looking certain to win a second seat but very unlikely to pick up a third, the battle for the second seat is looking like a tussle between Hay, Beaconsfield mine disaster survivor Brant Webb, CFMEU forests division secretary Scott McLean (who famously came out in support of John Howard at the 2004 federal election) and Winnaleah school principal Brian Wightman, with only the latter looking an obvious also-ran.

Rick Wallace of The Australian reports that George Seitz, western Melbourne Labor Right potentate and state Keilor MP, proposes to publish a “warts and all” account of his career in politics. Seitz is being forced out after nearly three decades in parliament due to a Victorian Ombudsman’s report which probed into the involvement of various state MPs in goings-on at Brimbank City Council. The aforementioned Wallace article is worth reading for a broader overview of the episode’s far-reaching impact on the Victorian ALP.

Andrew Landeryou at VexNews reports that the closure of nominations has brought no challenges to sitting federal Liberal MPs in Victoria – including Kevin Andrews in Menzies, who was believed to be under threat from former Peter Reith staffer Ian Hanke.

Nick in comments informs us that according to a Channel Nine news report, Labor polling has it trailing the Coalition 57-43 on NSW state voting intention.

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  1. 2051
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    I this scandal messes up the Tories then the LibDems might do a better as well as Labor.

  2. 2052
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    1.brown will win the next UK election

    What an amazing turnaround that would be!

  3. 2053
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    2052

    I think a hung Parliament is now quite likely if the scandal sticks.

  4. 2054
    dogma
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    No Brown’s gone, his poll numbers are really bad. Murdoch’s newsgroup international will suffer if new scotland yard confirm the evidence produced by the footballer’s court case.

    It’s unbelievable that the cops knew about these other cases and didn’t investigate or put anyone else in jail.

  5. 2055
    vera
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Anyone expecting another ‘dirt’ story to emerge while he’s away?

    Superdario
    I’ve been waiting for it, something domestic for the Lib media stooges to try and embarrass Rudd with at his next press conference in front of the foreign media.

  6. 2056
    Gusface
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    dogma

    No Brown’s gone, his poll numbers are really bad.

    3000 people say your wrong
    ;)

    cameron is gorn unless he cuts loose coulston,but even then the taint will linger

    1.brown will win the next UK election

    What an amazing turnaround that would be!

    i’ve put $50 on labour win/new tory leader at v. nice odds
    :)

  7. 2057
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Considering how many scandals have dogged brown labour, i doubt this one cameron tory scandal will somehow turn the polls around.

    I reckon PBers would have said how so many events in the leadup to the 1996 federal election would turn the polls around for Keating.

  8. 2058
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    I gather some in the murdoch media coordinate their trivial and faked smears with the Liberal party and they seem to work in the ABC sometimes.

    I think this time around though they will be called out by the government every time they create a faux issue for the purpose of smearing.

    Their reputation is on the verge of heading south, especially considering the criminal activities of their cousins in the UK, which will ring a bell here in Australia with the public.

    I think murdoch’s chances of getting tv licence here is just about zero. I am sure they would love a FauxNews channel here.

  9. 2059
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Glen’s idol wearing a stupid hat:
    http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1209/johnnyd.jpg

  10. 2060
    kleewyk
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Lewis’ column this morning was headed “The blunt razor gang” -
    The Rudd Government has spent nearly$800 million on external consultants to do the work of public ervants,
    in what appears another broken election promise.

    This looks to be preparing the ground for the next attack.

  11. 2061
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Glen’s idol wearing a stupid hat

    God he looks old.

    I still wonder why Liberals love him. He was the biggest taxer in Australian history, spent the most in Australian history (with nothing to show for it), centralised the most out of any PMs in Australian history, was the most anti-liberal in Liberal Party history, I could go on…

  12. 2062
    vera
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Nice photo, I think the Pope might be fond of our Kev :)
    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25758791-661,00.html

    They just showed Howard at the cricket again wearing that hat. yuck

  13. 2063
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    To add – Menzies would have been turning in his grave.

  14. 2064
    Boerwar
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    HICKS/GUANTANAMO BAY HICKS/GUANTANAMO BAY HICKS/GUANTANAMO BAY

    ‘Mr Turnbull said the Chinese should either release Mr Hu or charge him. “Holding somebody in detention without any charge is completely and utterly unacceptable,” he said. “This is absolutely outrageous treatment of an Australian citizen.

    “This should be the number one priority on Mr Rudd’s agenda today. He should be on the phone to the Chinese leaders demanding that justice be done to this fellow Australian in China,” Mr Turnbull said.’

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/china-crisis-puts-heat-on-pm-20090709-deov.html?page=2

  15. 2065
    marktwain
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Would it be beyond some of you posters to actually look at the polls?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2009/apr/28/tories-on-course-for-landslide

  16. 2066
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Would it be beyond some of you posters to actually look at the polls?

    And Alan Carpenter and Labor in WA were also in front of the polls, and look what happend to them :-)

  17. 2067
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    2065 – mark, were those polls taken before or after the recent scandal?

  18. 2068
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Marktwain,

    That was yesterday’s news. If the tide goes out quickly, it can come back very quickly.

    See Tsunamis.

  19. 2069
    marktwain
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    And if you don’t like polls from the horrible right-wing MSM like the Grauniad, here’s an indie. His stuff is more spiffy than Possum’s.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/

    We may not like it, but Brown is gorn.

  20. 2070
    Tom the first and best
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    2065

    Those pre-scandal polls?

    If the scandal does not stick to the Cameron then the Tories will win (barring last minute electoral reform) but if it does then I would think that there would be a hung Parliament.

  21. 2071
    marktwain
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Look at the trend over time, Gary Bruce. Isn’t this what William, Possum, Antony and Adam have taught us?

  22. 2072
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Considering how many scandals have dogged brown labour, i doubt this one cameron tory scandal will somehow turn the polls around.

    Now Bob wasn’t it you that thought utegate would have little effect on Turnbull’s poll figures?

    I reckon PBers would have said how so many events in the leadup to the 1996 federal election would turn the polls around for Keating.

    Another general negative statement on the character of PBers. Gee that hurts. How to win friends ….

  23. 2073
    bob1234
    Posted Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Now Bob wasn’t it you that thought utegate would have little effect on Turnbull’s poll figures?

    Rudd Labor isn’t dogged by a new scandal every month, nor are they a government over a decade old.

    Another general negative statement on the character of PBers. Gee that hurts. How to win friends ….

    I’m not here to win friends. How sad your life must be if that’s what you’re here for.

  24. 2074
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Look at the trend over time, Gary Bruce. Isn’t this what William, Possum, Antony and Adam have taught us?

    2071 – mark, look at what a particularly nasty event can do that trend. Think back to the last lot of polls and Turnbull’s ratings.

  25. 2075
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    If the scandal does not stick to the Cameron then the Tories will win (barring last minute electoral reform) but if it does then I would think that there would be a hung Parliament.

    Best case labour by 35
    worst case minority gvt with concessions to LDP/minors

  26. 2076
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    2071 - mark, look at what a particularly nasty event can do that trend. Think back to the last lot of polls and Turnbull’s ratings.

    Using that logic WA Labor Should’ve been returned with a massive majority – but if you look at the figures once the election was called it was a whole different ballgame.

  27. 2077
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Rudd Labor isn’t dogged by a new scandal every month, nor are they a government over a decade old.

    I take that as a ‘yes’, that was you who thought utegate would have little effect on Turnbull’s poll figures. Say no more.

    I’m not here to win friends. How sad your life must be if that’s what you’re here for.

    LOL. Obviously not. Gee that hurts too.

  28. 2078
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    As an aside
    wonder what Mr “moral rectitude” hartigan has to say on hackgate

    BTw HACKgate has a double meaning
    To hack -eg STEAL personal info
    Hack -a disreputable journo

  29. 2079
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    You have to be kidding, Gary. Turnbull’s trend was just hovering above ‘yeah, like, I dunno’. He had nothing on Rudd, and just sunk lower after his recent escapades.

    As much as I dislike it, the time has come for UK Labour. The party is over. I was in the UK when Tony Blair won, and it was the most marvellous thing ever, but that was a long time ago and the Brits, like us, are an impatient lot. The attitude there, from my conversations with fellow progressives still hanging on to the dream and more importantly from two or more years’ worth of opinion polls, is that it is time for a change, much like it was here in 1996. They don’t particularly like the alternative, but they are not scared of it anymore.

    Look to the polls – it’s gunna happen.

  30. 2080
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    The court ordered the production of documents from Scotland Yard's inquiry, and also from a wider inquiry by the Information Commissioner into tactics used by journalists. The Information Commissioner said that it had material suggesting that 31 journalists for the News of the World and the Sun had obtained private data through blagging.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6674157.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

  31. 2081
    bob1234
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    Look to the polls - it’s gunna happen.

    Don’t scare the poor Labor hack.

  32. 2082
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    The attitude there, from my conversations with fellow progressives still hanging on to the dream and more importantly from two or more years’ worth of opinion polls, is that it is time for a change, much like it was here in 1996. They don’t particularly like the alternative, but they are not scared of it anymore.

    They said the same about Beazley in 2001 and Latham in 2004, and we all know what happened there :-)

  33. 2083
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Don’t scare the poor Labor hack.

    Says he who doesn’t like me using Cliches and yet does the same.

    Usual comments apply.

  34. 2084
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Live the dream, fellow Laborites, live the dream.

    But prepare for the reality. It’ll make men out of you.

  35. 2085
    bob1234
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    They said the same about Beazley in 2001 and Latham in 2004, and we all know what happened there

    Ahh, endless optimism. Cute, but misguided.

  36. 2086
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Below are the two hundred seats where the Conservative party needs to overturn the lowest percentage majority to win the seat. These are not necesssarily the seats where it will be easiest to do so, or the seats that the party will actually be targetting at the next election. In seats marked with an asterisk (*) the Conservative party is currently in third (or lower) place.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/conservative-target-seats

    cheers for the link mark twain
    I hope you have learnt how to count up to 200
    ;)

  37. 2087
    PAAPTSEF
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Qin said Hu's issue should be treated as an isolated incident and that China did not want it to affect trade relations between China and Australia.

    "It's improper to exaggerate this individual case or even politicise it, which will be no good to Australia," he said"

    Whats the bet the Libs try to stir the pot a bit more. You would naturally think an opposition would act responsibly on foreign relations but with this mob you never know what they’ll do next.

  38. 2088
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Gus, are you saying Gordon Brown is John Major? Perish the thought.

  39. 2089
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Gus, are you saying Gordon Brown is John Major? Perish the thought.

    no, you just did, kindly stop verballing me.

  40. 2090
    vera
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Whats the bet the Libs try to stir the pot a bit more.

    With a little help from their friends, like their ABC’s trotting out their old stock headlines about “Pressure mounting on Govt” ‘Opposition refusing to back down” etc
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/10/2621849.htm?section=justin

  41. 2091
    Dario
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    The klan’s back!

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/we-have-infiltrated-party-kkk-20090709-der4.html

    THE Ku Klux Klan says it has infiltrated an anti-immigration party preparing to contest seats at the next federal election.

    David Palmer, the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan in Australia, said several Klan members had secretly joined Australia First, a far right party that announced yesterday that it had the numbers to register as a political party.

  42. 2092
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Oh, dear, I upset you Gus. Sob, sob. If you actually looked at the polls, and took into account the recent UK council and European elections, you wouldn’t have your knickers in such a knot.

    There is no shame in losing an election when you have nothing else to offer the electorate. Keating knew this – I just wish Brown would understand it.

  43. 2093
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Oh, dear, I upset you Gus. Sob, sob. If you actually looked at the polls, and took into account the recent UK council and European elections, you wouldn’t have your knickers in such a knot.

    you obviously havent even read any stuff on the site you linked to, below is but one eg

    A lot of interpretation of the polls now is rather skewed by the 20% or so that is still going to others. For example, the Conservative share is still seen in the light of whether they need to be over 40%, and we gasp at Labour being down in the low 20s. Both these are a factor of the “others” being up at 20% or so, suddenly there is less support for the main three parties to share.

  44. 2094
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    marktwain,

    Is this your close friend by any chance?

    http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/112728/Sadist-wanted-to-torture-a-woman-while-he-played-Proclaimers-song-/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM0sTNtWDiI

  45. 2095
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Gus, look at the polls and look at the trends. Then read a little bit more widely on the subject and try to put your partisanship under your pillow. It will help your blood pressure, I assure you.

  46. 2096
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    Hi GG. Women don’t usually find threats of violence against them amusing, so I am wondering why you thought I would?

  47. 2097
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    MT,

    Shh, the cricket’s back on.

  48. 2098
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Mark twain

    Gus, look at the polls and look at the trends. Then read a little bit more widely on the subject

    Laugh, I was the one back in 07 who was predicting rudd to get 110 seats, using the published polls as a guide.

    try to put your partisanship under your pillow.

    I tried parsnips once, but i still suffered from flatulence

    It will help your blood pressure, I assure you.

    Are you another herr doktor???

  49. 2099
    marktwain
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    I see, GG. I’m just another female who needs to be told off in no uncertain terms. I’ll flit away then.

  50. 2100
    Gusface
    Posted Friday, July 10, 2009 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    GG

    now look what you’ve done!
    I was liking the links that mark twain hadn’t bothered to read but still bothered to tell us about.
    ;)

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