Roy Morgan has leapt in with last weekend’s face-to-face polling of 1050 respondents, showing Labor’s lead has actually nudged slightly upwards: from 60.5-39.5 to 61-39. Labor’s primary vote is down one point to 51 per cent, but the Coalition’s is also down two to 32.5 per cent. Contra Newspoll, the Greens are up two to 9.5 per cent.
Other news:
• Imre Salusinszky of The Australian reports Julia Gillard hopes to save “soft Left” colleague Laurie Ferguson by moving him to Werriwa, whose member Chris Hayes would have to make do with Macarthur – in turn cutting loose Nick Bleasdale, the candidate from 2007 who appeared lined up for another shot. It appears Hayes will suffer that fate in any case, as it has been agreed Werriwa should go to the Left. However, Anthony Albanese’s “hard Left” wants it to go to Damien Ogden, an LHMU organiser who defeated incumbent Ken McDonnell for preselection in Sutherland Shire Council’s “E” ward before last year’s elections, but ultimately failed to win the seat. Hayes is understandably not keen, and is calling for the matter to be determined by the local branches – as Ferguson did last week when his ambition was to stay on in redrawn Reid at the expense of John Murphy. That appears to be off the table because the seat is reserved for the Right. Importantly, Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reports the Prime Minister is also of a mind to throw Ferguson a lifeline.
• VexNews tells of a further brush fire in Macquarie, to be vacated at the election by Bob Debus. According to VexNews, Debus and the hard Left would have the national executive decide the issue in favour of Susan Templeman, principal of Templeman Consulting, who sells herself as “one of the country’s leading media trainers and coaches”. However, local branches favour Debus antagonist Adam Searle, a “soft Left” member whose designs on Debus’s old state seat of Blue Mountains were thwarted by Debus’s recruitment of Phil Koperberg. When Debus agreed to make life easier for the Prime Minister by relinquishing his position in the ministry in June, Glenn Milne in The Australian reported talk he had done so on the condition that he get to choose his successor in Macquarie.
• The Australian reports Warren Entsch will try to win Leichhardt back for the LNP at the next election. Entsch retired before the last election, and Labor demolished the 10.3 per cent margin he had built up with a 14.3 per cent swing. He floated the possibility of running for Cairns or Barron River at the March state election, but thought better of it. Teresa Gambaro, who lost Petrie at the election, plans to nominate for Brisbane, where the redistribution has cut Labor’s margin from 6.8 per cent to 3.8 per cent. UPDATE: AAP has reported Gambaro has indeed been preselected (thanks to LTEP in comments).
• Imre Salusinszky of The Australian reports a preselection challenge from the Right to Philip Ruddock in Berowra has been withdrawn. The identity of the challenger is not offered.
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Although I was happy to see Howard go in 2007, I think we should respect… rather than rubbish our past leaders.
From now on the “born to rule” are going to be known as the “born to be a fool”
all thanks to the patron saint of lost causes-unca howie
LOL
howie deserves as much respect as a piece of fly blown rats poo.
“howie deserves as much respect as a piece of fly blown rats poo.”
He won 4 Federal Elections as Prime Minister.
How many have you won?
Listening to people talk crp about Howard is almost as bad as those whinging about Fraser and Whitlams shocking reign. He had his time, they are no longer PM’s just Joe Citizen like anyone else now.
BAHAHAHAHA
What a load of poo.
Like anyone else…sheeeeeesh
In a post the other day I made a disparaging comment about two of our politicians and I was asked whether I had made that comment because I dislike those people. That is not the reason I made the comment but it got me thinking: do I dislike some politicians as people?
First, what do I think of politicians as politicians? There will be many here who know lots more about parties, policies and individual politicians and I’m happy to be eddicated. I really dislike the blue side of politics for their attitude of more for those who have money and, particularly, influence and less for those who don’t. On the red side, Bob Hawke and Paul Keating weren’t entirely innocent in this respect. Generally, I don’t think politicians are nasty. They belittle each other as much as they can in question time and in debates. In many cases, they will adopt policies because the ends justify the means and in some cases that will affect us badly. John Howard took this far beyond what I consider acceptable and I dislike him intensely for that but he didn’t do it because he wanted to be nasty to people; he did it because he sought political advantage.
What Malcolm Fraser did in 1975 was reprehensible but it was done for political advantage.
I’m sure Bludgers can point out many more such cases.
Tony Abbott is nasty. In reverse chronology: his accusing Kevin Rudd of being responsible for the deaths of the boat people, his “bullshit” aside to Nicola Roxon and his behaviour during George Bush’s visit to our parliament in 2003. I quote Margo Kingston in “Still not happy, John.” Bush has just finished addressing Parliament:
There’s much about Tony Abbott in the book. I miss Margo’s journalism.
Adrian Alston’s pursuit of the ABC for “bias” was nasty. Cosima Mariner in the smh, 29 May 2003:
Then there’s Robert Askin’s “Run over the bastards!” in 1966.
There are people on the blue side, such as Petro Georgiou, whom I respect. On a personal note, Wilfred Brimblecombe (Country Party) was our local member (Maranoa). In 1958, it was his representations to the immigration authorities that enabled my 64-year old grandfather to join my parents and me in Australia. He died in 1973 but I’m still grateful to him.
I give him all the respect he deserves.
Just so I’m clear… is TheTruthHurts still claiming be a former ALP voter?
And on the subject of Mr Howard… I am so glad that he’s not broken his promise to not become a commentator on his retirement from politics.
I notice L’il Johnnie didn’t brag about Work Choices.
Says it all, really.
We should be honest in our opinions. Howard was/is a selfish, nasty person who is as false as a three dollar bill.
Gus, dont forget Howie is still plucking away at Tandoori Naidu at leafy Wollstencraft:
http://www.crikey.com.au/Media/images/080118-Howard-sitar1-08552728-ae1d-4bf7-989f-acd01c7b15f4.jpg
while “Not Happy” Hyacinth said “This how i will strangle him for flirting with the Bollywood floozie”:
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/07/19/sw_janette_wideweb__470×354,0.jpg
JV 675
I don’t wish to sound like a dog-whistler, but there is a potential problem here. When you say “next plane out” there is a problem with where “out” might be. It may be that nobody else might want them or will accept them. There have been many cases of refugees who have no ID papes who won’t be accepted by any other country. Thus you can be stuck with them, even if they are not refugees as defined by UNHCR. Oveall though, I do agree we should process people who land here in accordance with international law. But it is reasonable to dissuade them them, and to recognise that we cannot possibly take them all.
SNIP: See article 2 of comment moderation guidelines – The Management.
vortex – he makes it blatantly obvious what hes trying to do.
Hopefully his job is on the line – he has got to show rupe that he is worth the big bucks
Allo, allo, allo – methinks we got the boats mixup here. Alex is with the boat at Merak, West Jawa not with OV at Tanjung Pinang, Riau.
I think we should respect people while they are in office for the significance of the office they hold. But that is it. Personal respect is earnt, and after they leave office politicians will enjoy the respect they deserve, for better or worse. Winning four elections eltitles you to respect for your kills as a politician, but not automatically for your character as a person. This isn’t just an anti-Howard thing. Look at Joh in Qld – successful yes, respectable no; he only beat jail via a crooked jury. Conversely there are some ex-Libs I have great respect for, like James Killen, Fred Chaney, and even Fraser.
To be fair to both sides, examples of Labor ex-politiicans I have no respect for include Keith Wright (Qld), Brian Burke (WA) and Mal Colston. I’m not a particular fan of Bob Hawke either, at a personal level.
Doh! I meant “Skills” not “kills” as a politician.
BTW, going back in history, I see nothing in the traditional Australian irreverance for authority that says we always should respect our ex leaders. That has not been our way
Soc, the Repugs are showing no respect whatsoever for Obama. So much for the prestige of the POTUS office.
Wont be long before they yell out: “You lie, boy”.
Finns
True, a lot of right wing authoritarian types like to be respected, not to behave respectably themselves. I was just trying to be fair but sure I think the extreme right repugs are appalling.
Of course, if we behave the same way as the repugs ourselves, we are setting the bar pretty low!
Mark Riley on Sunrise (I know, I wont do it again) talking about Rudd’s ratings PLUMMETING, could this be the end of Kevinism?? Last time I checked it was one Newspoll 2PP that had his approval and PPM and near record levels. And this guy is a senior political commentator? The public deserves better
Howard 2007:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/federal-election-2007-news/liberal-fallout-turns-nasty/2007/11/28/1196036983621.html
Soc, i wasnt having a go at you. i was just pointing out that that the Tories always have their own rule.
btw: With Obama, i dont it’s just the extreme right wing. I think many white Americans are still having problem with a Black POTUS. This will increase if Obama cannot deliver.
If he was any good he would be snaring interviews on Sunday mornings. Instead he does a half-witty “Riley Diary”,
He’s a lightweight.
I know Grog but a lightweight who is the main source of political commentary for many. That’s the problem
Milne’s performance on “Meet the Press” this morning was about the most disrespectful towards a serving minister that I have ever seen.
Peter Garrett stood up to it extremely well and showed himself to be in complete control.
Rudd,s Tampa
Rudd,s Tampa
I guess Howard couldn’t resist making one last lie for old time’s sake!
Howard has broken another promise and is making an arse of himself. The day Rudd wastes more money than him on border protection, then he may have a right to open his mouth. In the meantime ZIP IT.
Maybe another former PM (Keating)
should start making comments to put the Rodent back in his place!
The Indians got the right perspective of life:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_desperate-times_1308663
It’s on again today at 1:30pm. Go you good thang.
So tell us fredn what has Tampa got in common with the OV?
Yep
Once again, thank you David Marr for the blast of sanity.
Insiders has gone from barely watchable to unwatchable and I’ve switched off. One Newspoll and its now unbridled Rudd bashing, led by Porky. His is laying the groundwork for Neilsen, suggesting it will be better than Newspoll ONLY because of Rudd’s media blitz and CC speech. They have their excuses ready already. What they WONT say if Neilsen is better for the govt is that Newspoll was a rogue
A bit of a mixed morning so far. The war on Rudd continues and appears to have been ramped up to fever level to try and get a good result for Tuesday’s Newspoll but probably won’t have as much effect on the Neilsen.
Howard, who I suspect has been directing the troops from behind the lines, steps out into the limelight to try and add a bit more oomph to the News Ltd/Newspoll agenda.
Malcolm Turnbull loses another staffer in disgraceful circumstances.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/turnbull-adviser-quits-over-hitler-video-20091107-i2vw.html
Don’t worry Andrew they all really suspect it is an outlier and believe it will be proven to be so.
Andrew your missing the best bits – everytime piers opens his mouth, David Marr succinctly puts him back in his place.
Looks like the abc have found a way to keep piers under control.
Not much air play of alan jones blasting turnbull though.
Finns,
Cricket is on 2am AEDT
Yes Scorpio Turnbull seems to be really “unlucky” with his choices of staffers. A string of appallingly unethical actions are uncovered and each time a Turnbull staffer turns out to be responsible and resigns. Of course, someone as decent as Malcolm would never stoop to do such things himself. But he must be getting uncomfortable that such a pattern of behaviour emerges in those around him. If it continues cynical observers (not loyal adn true media professionals like Milne) might begin to supect that Honest Malcolm is somehow involved himself?? Dreadful.
Poor Malcolm, I do hope his recruiting luck improves.
GB
As you are intimating, very little. We’re actually trying to do the right thing with the OV. It’s the rest of our policy which is the problem. The NYT article criticised our Xmas Island policy, not the OV. But the OV has brought the world’s attention to our stance on AS and we are, yet again, looking like a bunch of xenophobic WASPs.
On Howard’s speech, there was one good bit in it for the non-lunatic right. He repeated that Rudd’s ETS was basically what he was going to bring in.
from Milne’s article:
somehow I bet even if the poll is “rogue” then the media will still mention it – you know the usual “the ALP went into a spin” “Poll put a scare through Rudd” “One rogue poll had Rudd flailing away in panic” etc etc
My mistake – 2pm
Correct. So to equate it is ridiculous.
I’m impressed with your spin on this Dio. Good try. I’m sure Milne though was trying to match the Tampa with the OV.
I managed to get through the first half of INSIDERS before I gave up and switched over!
The ABC calls this a balanced, current affairs discussion program?
As for our “beloved” former PM, I couldn’t give a _______ what he thinks!
What is it about right wing journos that dishonesty is always first tool of choice. And if they have nothing to be dishonest about it is always smear. Is that all right wing politics has to give?
Grog, Piers already answered your question. Its the media blitz and CC speech by Rudd. They will NEVER admit it was a rougue
Evan, its a shame that what could be an interesting show for us politics tragics is no longer watchable
The re emergence of John Howard providing running commentary is good for Rudd. Howard is today’s “fish and chips” wrapping. Supporters of the old fossil need to be reminded that not only was his mean spirited Government defeated at the last election, but he was personally humiliated in his own electorate by losing his seat.
The Libs continuously pandering to this “has been” demonstrates their view that the electorate “got it wrong” and a pining for the order and discipline that only they can provide. I clearly remember the same wishful thinking emanating from Libs following the defeat of the Kennett Government. They haven’t recovered ten years later. It looks like the Federal Libs are heading in the same direction.
For the Libs to be effective they need to start thinking about the future. These false memory delusions and wishfulthinking that the glory days of the past are just around the corner are the underpinnings of what makes them an unelectable rabble.
Frank@688:
[And here is the footage, including the words of Citizen Rupert
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/11/07/2736192.htm
Thanks Frank.
The full talk from Rupert wasn’t there, but I did catch him saying that Rudd was “clearly delusional”.
I was extrapolating from BH’s assessment earlier. But certainly my comment was hardly “grotesque exaggeration” or “bollocks” William.
“Clearly delusional” is hardly the sort of comment you get from someone with a high opinion of our PM, which seems to be your slant, William.
Were there two talks by the media mogul, one upbeat and one downbeat about Rudd?
I was gratified at the sanguine attitude among the vox-popped re. interest rates. Not a one of them had anything to say but, “Well, they had to go up, didn’t they?”. One guy thought the timing was too early but, apart from that, a good result all round.
What does surprise me is the prevailing thought that, right or wrong, Newspoll is THE benchmark. When Newspoll speaks, we just have to listen. The other polls need not apply.
OK, so at the moment this plays to the conservatives’ (more “reactionaries” actually) wishes that the honeymoon is over. But when its consistently hugely favourable to Labor (as it has been for nearly three years) they pass it off as not revealing the hidden resentment, ignoring the Silent Majority and so on.
Milne’s article this morning instructed the average punter in how to interpret politics in Australia: just read the Newspoll figures.
Diogs,
Just a point, but your use of the word WASPs is somewhat inaccurate in the Australian context. Given that around 75% support tougher boarder protection policies, then they would be made up of Jew, Italians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, and the various Asian ethnics and no doubt the religious pot porri that is Australian culture. There might even be some Athiests as well.
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