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Tasmanian election live

   

7.04pm. Over 1000 votes in from Lyons, and still early days, but looks like it might swing between 2 Liberal, 1 Labor and 1 Greens, with Liberal and Labor fighting it out for the last.

6.57pm. Very early results in from four seats, but Labor’s vote in each is down 17 to 25 per cent.

6.36pm. More on that exit poll, with thanks to Bob Katter’s Hat. Bass: ALP 2 LIB 2 GRN 1. Braddon: ALP 2 LIB 2 (5th seat LIB or GRN – Leaning LIB). Denison: ALP 2 LIB 1 GRN 1 (5th seat LIB or GRN or IND – Leaning LIB). Franklin: ALP 1 LIB 2 GRN 1 (5th seat LIB or GRN or ALP – Leaning ALP). Lyons: ALP 2 LIB 2 GRN 1

6.20pm. Sky exit poll – bearing in mind these probably are a bit unreliable under Hare-Clark – apparently points to Labor 10, Liberal 9, Greens 4. Caught the end of the seat-by-seat breakdown. Denison: ALP 2, Lib 1, Grn 1 and 1 either Lib, Green or Wilkie. Franklin: ALP 1, Lib 2, Grn 1 and either Labor, Lib or Green.

6pm. Welcome to the Poll Bludger’s live coverage of the Tasmanian election, which will unfortunately be rather fitful as South Australian will be my primary focus. Nonetheless, there some fruitful commentary on what’s happening the comments thread. I’ll be on News Radio at about 7:15pm to discuss the results, such as they are at that early stage. Best place for results will be ABC Elections.

329 Comments

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  1. 301
    marky marky
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    So when the independents had the balance of power in Victoria did the world fall apart? Fair dinkum pull your head in.

  2. 302
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Greensborough Growler@300

    gus,

    I pinged him as such years ago.

    Another who loves Labor so much that all he does is bag them.

    Him and Bebob1234 and Young Peter would make a lovely family unit :-)

  3. 303
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Frank// GG

    I formally declare war

    You are either with us

    Or you can F*** Off

    end of communique

    :)

  4. 304
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    marky,

    They weren’t Greens.

    This experiment has been tried twice, once with Labor and once with Liberals. It ended in tears.

    All the ingredients are there for a repeat of History as farce.

  5. 305
    marky marky
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Be careful now folks keep your kids from the telephone you may get a call from a member of the Labor Party telling you about Heroin and what those nasty Greens are going to do. Be careful of those Green Nutters or should it be Labor nutters?

  6. 306
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    gus,

    I was thinking of making it into a family comedy.

    Is that your script submission?

    It looks a bit long and complicated.

  7. 307
    marky marky
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    So when the Greens have the balance of power it will be their fault if a government falls apart? What of the major party themselves being at fault.
    No its the nutters from the Greens their to blame.

  8. 308
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    GG

    The greens require a tad more language than your average ape

    just helping with the comprehension

  9. 309
    Rebecca
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    Sheesh, you kids have just about created your own language.

  10. 310
    marky marky
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    The problem is accountability and that is what this result in Tasmania will bring. Unfortunately their was none in regards to the Pulp Mill. Some would like no accountability and for governments to close everything off in confidentiality and freedom of information dirty tricks.

  11. 311
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Rebecccccccccccccccca

    laff a minute from the carnies

    ;)

    Care to come back when you have a new routine?

  12. 312
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Gus,

    Can you work on episode 2.

    “The perils of wearing pjama bottoms backwards”

    Hilarious outcomes when bob gets dressed in the dark.

  13. 313
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    GG

    I reckon Rebecccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccca will provide enough raw material

    all we need to do is pulp it and Bob’s your uncle

    ;)

  14. 314
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Marky

    last chance

    or is this your Rubicon moment?

  15. 315
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Greensborough Growler@306

    gus,

    I was thinking of making it into a family comedy.

    Is that your script submission?

    It looks a bit long and complicated.

    and here are the opening credits :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr-e3qGQ884

  16. 316
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Frank

    Rebe
    ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccca

    has unfortunately left the field

    I understand greensleeves was playing backwards,hence time for a nap.

    Maybe tomorrow will bring a shining happy rebeccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccca

    One can only hope

    ;)

  17. 317
    Kevin Bonham
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    Has anyone done a “back-of-the-hand” calculation of what the result would have been in the old 35 seat assembly?

    Have now.

    Bass, Braddon, Lyons all 3-3-1.
    Denison 3-2-2
    Franklin 2-3-2

    Total 14-14-7

    Which is exactly the same thing as 10-10-5 if 10-10-5 is where we actually end up – of course it may not be

  18. 318
    castle
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Be good to see Wilkie get up, sensible independents add a lot to the system where they have a influence. However his vote may not count unless the greens decide to split on the votes.

    Its going to be tough on the liberals.

    They can vote with the greens to block labor legislation that the greens may oppose like the pulp mill, but this will just paint them as being in bed with the greens and anti-business.

    Labor wouldn’t need to resign govt straight away, just build up a history of legislation that showed the libs blocking business.

  19. 319
    ltep
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Castle, this presume the Liberals and Greens wouldn’t make a government deal and vote the ALP out of office.

  20. 320
    castle
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Itep

    True, maybe if the greens say there is no real difference between the labor and lib then they would be able to justify supporting the libs on the basis the libs got a higher primary vote and the swing against labor showed a mood for change.

    Would then put all the pressure on labor which bills they supported.

    What about the Rudds health plan though?

    Would that go before the Tas lower house to see whether they supported it or would support be the prerogative of the Tas premier, lib or lab, alone?

  21. 321
    ltep
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    castle, any referrals of power could (technically) be made by the Parliament without the approval of the Government (regardless of which party that was). In theory the Premier could instruct the Governor to withhold assent from any law the Parliament passed though.

    In practice, I suspect whoever forms government will have the say on the hospitals plan though.

    I think the Federal Greens hierarchy will also pressure their state colleagues to make the best deal they can. They were reportedly disappointed in the ACT Greens and the deal they made with the ACT Labor Party.

  22. 322
    lefty e
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Anyway, great to see the usual anti-Greens scare tactics starting to fail. 21.3% is the highest Greens vote in Australian history.

    I understand the Greens might even rescue Bartlett’s sorry butt yet, in Denison. Surely Bartlett wont resign if the Libs fall to 9 seats, even with a higher vote share.

  23. 323
    castle
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Ltep

    My assumption on labor forming govt based on lib only getting 9 seats.

    If 10 all then should be a lib govt. Though what would happen if 10 all, Wilke got a seat and said he would support labor?

    The hospital deal with the libs/ green would be interesting, maybe Rudd can just give them a $1 for each hospital?

  24. 324
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, March 21, 2010 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Here it comes, the Liberal-Green coalition!
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/21/2851885.htm?section=justin

    Tasmania's Liberal leader has refused to rule out giving Greens MPs ministries if he forms a minority state government.

  25. 325
    J-D
    Posted Monday, March 22, 2010 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    If there’s a 10-10-5 result and a Liberal government, the Liberals will be forced to choose between these options, or some combination of them:
    non-Liberal minister(s) (if that can be arranged); or
    non-Liberal Speaker and/or Deputy Speaker (if that can be arranged); or
    minister(s) in the Legislative Council (if that can be arranged); or
    reduce the number of ministers from 10.

  26. 326
    ltep
    Posted Monday, March 22, 2010 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    minister(s) in the Legislative Council (if that can be arranged)

    Don’t they only have 1 member in the LC? I think the non-Liberal speaker is pretty much a given. If they hold government on their own they’ll definitely need to reduce numbers in the Ministry from 10 though.

    There’s also the matter of staffing parliamentary committees as ministers don’t participate in committee work. Would they completely forgo membership of committees which play an important role in the scrutinising of executive decisions?

  27. 327
    lefty e
    Posted Monday, March 22, 2010 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    The Greens provide the speaker in the ACT ALP minority govt currenty in power – which operates under various confidence guarantees from the Greens, thrashed out in the first week, and which incidentally is ticking along just fine, despite what you might read about the alleged horrors of having to deal with the Greens.

  28. 328
    A Good Lurk
    Posted Thursday, April 1, 2010 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    How about a place at NIDA so that Barnaby can learn to be even more authentic?

  29. 329
    Posted Tuesday, April 6, 2010 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    testing

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