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Westpoll: 50-50 in Brand

   

The West Australian has published a Westpoll survey of 400 voters in the outer southern Perth seat of Brand, held by Kim Beazley from 1996 to 2007 and by Gary Gray thereafter. The two-party vote is said to be 50-50, but it’s hard to square this with primary vote figures of 43 per cent for Labor (3.2 per cent below their result in 2007) and 42 per cent (up 3.4 per cent) for the Liberals. On 2007 preferences it would have been approaching 52-48, pointing to a swing against Labor of 4 per cent. Oddly, we are also told that if the old boundaries were in place the Liberals would be leading 45 per cent to 41 per cent on the primary vote and 52-48 on two-party (I make it 50-50), even though the redistribution has only boosted Labor 0.4 per cent by Antony Green’s estimation. The poll had a typical Westpoll sample of 406, giving it a high margin-of-error of a bit below 5 per cent.

Other findings:

• Fifty-six per cent of respondents oppposed the resources super profits tax, with only 25 per cent supporting it.

• Julia Gillard was found to be preferred over Kevin Rudd as preferred leader, 34 per cent to 31 per cent.

• Thirty-nine per cent said Tony Abbott’s “gospel truth” remark made them think less of him, against 54 per cent who said it made no difference.

• The government received “poor” ratings of 82 per cent poor rating for handling of the insulation program, 81 per cent for asylum seekers as poor (against 14 per cent good) and 60 per cent for climate change policy (against 29 per cent0 good).

• By contrast, and in good news for Julia Gillard, 46 per cent rated the government’s handling of the school hall construction program as good against 43 per cent poor.

• Respondents were split down the middle on the federal government’s health reform package, rated good by 45 per cent and poor by 46 per cent.

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  1. 701
    TheTruthHurts
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    Time for a new fredz William?

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/biggest-swing-in-history-20100529-wmfo.html

    LABOR will be clobbered by voters at the Penrith byelection, with secret ALP polling obtained by The Sun-Herald indicating Premier Kristina Keneally will preside over the greatest-ever swing against a NSW government.

    In an ominous sign for the scandal-plagued state government before an election in March, internal party polling predicts a massive two-party preferred swing of 27 percentage points against the government in Penrith on June 19.

    The slaughter is set to be worse than the previous greatest swing in NSW, when John Watkins's former seat of Ryde returned to the Liberals last year with a 23-point two-party-preferred swing.
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    On a two-party preferred basis, Labor is on track to claim just 32 per cent of the vote, with 68 per cent for the Liberals representing a stunning turnaround from the 2007 election when disgraced former MP Karyn Paluzzano won for Labor with 59 per cent of the vote.

    The results of the polling have left ALP strategists reeling and senior government figures clutching for reasons why things cannot get any worse for the ageing Labor administration 10 months out from an election.

    This must be the KKK booster the Labor Party supporters told us about.

  2. 702
    TheTruthHurts
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    Someone should tell Conroy how to use this nifty little gadget on the “internet” called “google” before making a dick of himself.

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/filter-goes-ahead-regardless-20100529-wmg7.html#poll

    ''This is a policy that will be going ahead,'' Senator Conroy said. ''We are still consulting on the final details of the scheme. But this policy has been approved by 85 per cent of Australian internet service providers, who have said they would welcome the filter, including Telstra, Optus, iPrimus and iinet.''

    http://www.iinet.net.au/customers/iinews/internet-filtering.html

    You may have heard our latest news on the ISP filtering front - after months of negotiations with the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, we've decided to withdraw from the proposed trial. This means none of iiNet's customers will be affected in any way.

    Our view has always been that the proposed filter itself is majorly flawed, using an approach that has been discredited by industry experts time and time again. We wanted to participate in the trial in order to demonstrate the system's inadequacies, yet the requirements of the trial itself have caused some confusion.

    For instance, the filter is described by the Government as mandatory, but we were being asked to make the trial opt-in. It seems unreasonable that the Government intends to trial an opt-in filter for what is set to be a mandatory system.

    Causing more confusion still, the Government isn't prepared to confirm whether the filter is aimed at blocking child pornography or simply 'unwanted content' - they haven't provided clear parameters. The leak of the so-called 'blacklist' of sites suggested that there was much more than illegal content on the filtering list. Some of these were described as 'PG' and some, clearly political.

    Don’t worry iiNet… Conroy hasn’t heard the latest, he’s still trying to feed the data through these “tubes”. The Internet isn’t a big truck you can dump stuff on didn’t ya know?

  3. 703
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    I’ve added an entry on the internal poll report to my Penrith by-election post.

  4. 704
    philmour
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Frank (700), we are getting laptops in our school for each year 9 student and so far all year 10 (last year’s roll-out) and year 9 this year have them. At this rate all year 9-12 will have laptops in early 2012. The main problem is that the laptops arrive in Term 2 each year and this is makes it difficult to teach a 9/10 composite class (Stage 5 in the NSW Curriculum) because for at least a term half the class doesn’t have a laptop.
    I have to say that the laptops and the software on them have ‘revolutionized’ the classroom. I am regularly interrupted(in the nicest way) by students who have researched online some aspect of what I talking to them about, and been able to add that to the lesson. Even the less academic kids are starting to see that they have a chance to participate.
    I spoke to a 5/6 class last week at one of our feeder schools and they were concerned though that they would not get laptops when they get to High School.It would be a great pity if the program did not continue and hopefully ‘Truthful Tony’ would not scrap it if they were to win office.
    The program represents a huge on-going commitment,and will be a big test of the government’s ticker.

  5. 705
    BK
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Meet the Press this morning. What an adenoidal corporous caricature Clive Palmer is!

  6. 706
    Dee
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Shows On
    Can I point out the problems that Europe is having with nuclear power that the pro-lobby like to airbrush?
    40 miles of Irish coast had to be closed due to radiation leaks. Nuke comp. were find a measly couple of million pounds for leaks into the aquifers in England.
    In France & the UK potassium iodide is provided free to residents who live within a 20ml radius. Nuke plume descended over Europe for two months before authorities bothered to alert anyone. Aquifers in France are showing higher levels of radiation contamination that is safely allowable. Dairies were closed down because cows millk was abnormally high in radiation. It was found that the irrigation for these farms, {from the river} were toxic. In France during heatwaves reactors have to shut down. Anyone remember Germany blockading France over the contamination in the river?
    In the Champagne valley there has been extremely high levels of radiation detected in the river & the soil. Sweden in 2006 narrowly averted a Chernobyl style meltdown. http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,430458,00.html
    After $50Billion spent on waste facilities the US still can’t get it right either.
    In France, the government pays farmers to store the waste on their properties.
    This is the asbestos terror of tomorrow. Does anyone ponder why there has been an explosion in thyroid problems worldwide? The thyroid is the most susceptible to radiation exposure. Think about it, World Health are.
    Then we have the vested interests. When Howard flagged the idea of nuclear, his mates had already got the inside running. Ron Walker & other Lib friends had registered their nuke waste companies. Remember, this Elite Nuke Club compelled those countries who supply the uranium to dispose of the waste.
    I’m not opposed to change. But it has to be for the better. It is no good swapping one bad toxic plume for something worse.
    There are volumous realms of evidence that goes beyond Chernobyl as to why we should proceed with caution.

  7. 707
    Aguirre
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Scott Morrison continuing the Liberal theme on Insiders: We don’t need to explain anything or give any detail. We’re the opposition. We oppose.

  8. 708
    BK
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Scott Morrison continuing the Liberal theme on Insiders: We don’t need to explain anything or give any detail. We’re the opposition. We oppose.

    Yeah, and I bet Cassidy’s gving a real hard time, too.

  9. 709
    Dee
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Gusface
    Ole Barnacle has been playing to packed houses but I thought this was interesting, especially 7,8 paragraph down.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/state-politics/tax-rains-on-joyces-parade/story-e6frgczx-1225866715938
    It was also hysterical when he met with farmers west of Toowoomba with the rallying cry about miners stepping all over the little people, only to come out swinging in defence of mining. In the company of weathervanes?

  10. 710
    Boerwar
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    This Insiders is virtually calling it all over Red Rover for the Rudd Government.

  11. 711
    Alan Shore
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Cassidy just claimed on Insiders that John Howard never said he would outlaw tax payer funded party political advertising. Then what are we to make of this?

    From Reform and Resistance: The Regulation of Government Advertising in Australia:
    http://www.newcastle.edu.au/Resources/Schools/Newcastle%20Business%20School/APSA/PUBPOLICY/Young-Sally.pdf

    …In 1995, then Opposition Leader, John Howard promised that a Coalition government would require the Auditor-General to draw up new guidelines which would outlaw any advertising deemed to push a political line. Howard (1995) stated that all government advertising promoting policies or decisions of the incoming Coalition government would be scrutinised by the Auditor-General and subject to his/her approval. The Auditor-General would have to approve expenditure before it actually occurred and would have the power to veto ads that did not meet the guidelines.

    However, once in government, the Coalition did not draw up new guidelines or institute a system of Auditor-General approval of government ads.

  12. 712
    don
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Dee@706:

    Can I point out the problems that Europe is having with nuclear power that the pro-lobby like to airbrush?
    40 miles of Irish coast had to be closed due to radiation leaks. Nuke comp. were find a measly couple of million pounds for leaks into the aquifers in England.
    In France & the UK potassium iodide is provided free to residents who live within a 20ml radius......

    Thanks very much for that info.

  13. 713
    Boerwar
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    The wonders of modern science. I am listening to Insiders, watching them discuss the health ads, while they give some demos of the health ads on the screen, while I can see the health ads off to my left on this screen.

    Multiple virtual realities.

  14. 714
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    INCITERS
    This show is a disgrace lies slander and defamatory comments

    I expect afew actions agin the Sith Bolt

    Cassidy is letting his hernia do his talking

  15. 715
    Aguirre
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    This Insiders is virtually calling it all over Red Rover for the Rudd Government.

    Yeah, they’re on a massive bootstrapping jag. Morrison had a series of free kicks. Then ten minutes savaging Rudd over funding for resources tax advertising. Then a free-for-all at Rudd on asylum seekers. They’ve revisited the insulation scheme now, even quoting a ridiculous news item on Seven. They ignored every issue Fraser has with the Liberals, in favour of his single soundbite of criticism of Labor. They’ve questioned whether anyone is listening to Rudd. And now they’re back on the resources tax. And now Bolt’s had a chance to ridicule climate change science again.

    I’m still waiting for any mention of Julie Bishop, who was on this show last week and has committed an enormous faux pas since.

  16. 716
    Andrew
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    I must say (again) that my Sunday mornings are so much better without Insiders. I strongly advise all PBers to avoid it

  17. 717
    Aguirre
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Hooray! Finally mentioned. But apparently she just gave an ‘impression’ – and didn’t do anything wrong. “Hair-splitting”, Cassidy calls it. Wow.

  18. 718
    Aguirre
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Nah, I’m glad I saw it Andrew. It might have had me wondering about whether there was a groundswell against Labor until I saw how they treated the Bishop thing. They actually used it to have a few more pot-shots at Rudd. Incredible!

  19. 719
    BK
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    I’d had Insiders on live pause but after seeing the intro and reading the above I have decided to watch a few episodes of Sgt Bilko instead. I saw Dwayne Doberman and immediately thought of Sloppy Joe.

  20. 720
    confessions
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    I must say (again) that my Sunday mornings are so much better without Insiders. I strongly advise all PBers to avoid it

    I’m Insiders-free this week too. I’ve now decided to only watch the shows which have sensible, insightful commentators on. It’s a complete waste of a Sunday morning listening to people who are no more political insiders than I am.

  21. 721
    Dee
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Apparently, the SMH has a few articles about the end of the Rudd government.
    Unlike us, most people don’t take an active interest in politics.
    They rely on the 30 second sound bites & repititious negativity. This is where the Coalition exels.

  22. 722
    scorpio
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Well that’s the “LAST” Insiders for me.

    It was the closest thing I could imagine, of having a virtual seat inside the News Ltd/Liberal Party re-election war room.

    And it looks as though Inside Business in going to be along the same lines.

    Shame ABC, shame.

  23. 723
    BK
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    scorps
    Looks like I made the right decision.

  24. 724
    TheTruthHurts
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Yes when your leader is getting fair criticism just stick your heads in the sand as always and go into denial mode.

    Rudd’s getting criticism because Rudd’s screwing up everything he touches.

    Stuffed Border Protection
    Stuffed the budget
    Stuffed Home Insulation
    Stuffed the BER Scam.. oops I mean Scheme
    Stuffed up on the GBNT on miners
    Stuffed up delivering any of his promises

  25. 725
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    i makes you wonder how Cassidy can put his professional days behind him when he was proud employee of the labor party , does any one rember who he worked for and his comments those days.
    I think after the election the gov needs to have a hard look at the abc.
    How much longer does the M.D have, has he been there since the Howard days..?

    to make excuses re ms bishop is the last straw in being able to watch that show.
    . The abc is supposes to represent the country, if she was a public servant she would of been sacked on the spot. If Abbott had had any thoughts on this he would of taken the shadow ministry from her he chose to leave her where she was.

    You can imagine if the boot and been on the other foot.

  26. 726
    scorpio
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Confessions,

    I’m Insiders-free this week too. I’ve now decided to only watch the shows which have sensible, insightful commentators on.

    That means that you will be watching a lot of DVD’s then! ;-)

  27. 727
    Socrates
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Dee

    What is your source that 40km of the Irish (Sea) coast is “closed”. I would not defend the old cold war era British nuclear technology – inefficient and unsafe; the French adn German is much better. Even so, the radioactivity going into the Irish Sea from Sellafield now is tiny. See
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Sea

    This is the interesting quote – fish from this area have consumed radioactive material that is less than 1/100th of what is normal in fish anyway, and less than 1/3000th of what humans are exposed to on average in a normal lifestyle. There jsut isn’t a threat to human health. Compare that to the health impacts from air pollution on people living downwind of a coalfired power station, and the risk is incomparably worse (from the coal).

    Doses of man-made radioactivity received by the heaviest consumers of seafood in Ireland in 2005 was 1.10µSv.[20] This compares with a corresponding dosage of radioactivity naturally occurring in the seafood consumed by this group of 148µSv and a total average dosage in Ireland from all sources of 3620µSv

    The Speigel article highlights a problem in a nuclear plant that nearly led to a power failure – not a radioactive leak. This design of reactor has containment wals to prevent leaks even in the event of a meltdown. They are much safer than the Three Mile Island type plant. A Chernobyl type incident couldn’t happen in this sort of plant, short of deliberate sabotage. Even the Three Mile Island accident didn’t actually release very much radioactive gases. See
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

    No significant level of radiation was attributed to the TMI-2 accident outside of the TMI-2 facility. Noble gases made up the bulk of the release of radioactive materials from TMI-2, with the next most abundant element being iodine.

    The latest GenIII reactor design is even safer; if there is an incident it is designed to shut itself down, by the fuel rods dropping out the bottom into another containment facility.

  28. 728
    BH
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    For those who missed it this morning – Insiders was really the Andrew Bolt Show in disguise and everything else was what we can expect from the media from now until election time. Not one of them things the Govt. has done anything good apart from a a smidgeon during the GFC and the media have written the Govt. off.

    The most disturbing comment was that the Environment movement think (after Abbott talking to them) that the Libs have a better CC plan. If they endorse that then the Govt. does have a problem. Kev will have to come out with his plan quickly to counter that little furphy.

    Middleton knows that there will be more Liberals disguised as independents and that is already happening in Bennelong. Hope Labor’s got a few in place as well then.

    Lenore Taylor’s piece in the SMH yesterday showed that a type of residents action group is doing the rounds in Bennelong because a public housing development is going to tear down their values. This is backed by John Alexander apparently and he is campaigning on it as well.

  29. 729
    Andrew
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Yes, criticising a shadow minister for breaching longheld conventions around national security is so hair-splitting. Still think Labor let Bishop off way too lightly, as did the MSM

  30. 730
    Andrew
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    What happened to this site? I’ve been fretting all day!!
    Had the displeasure of hearing the last bit of insiders on the radio- who was the moron who suggested that the government’s policy backflips and changes were causing voters to be unsure and therefore the economy might tank, so it would be best for an early election?? Comedy gold.

  31. 731
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    The bad gate finally got shut. ;)

  32. 732
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Andrew, you are referring to Karen Middleton.

  33. 733
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    On the Melbourne Fire:

    Our Fire Investigation team has now determined the cause to be insulation related. Blow in insulation was installed late last year; ceiling exhaust fan wiring came into contact with the insulation. The occupant of the flat will be okay but she is very lucky.

    So once again the fire was caused by shoddy installers and poor electical connections.

  34. 734
    vp
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    What happened to this site?

    Bloody Rudd! It’s his fault!

  35. 735
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile in Fantasyland – It’s Red’s in the Miners Beds.

     http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7316015/miners-to-launch-ad-blitz-on-super-tax/ 

  36. 736
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Environment movement bh 728

    Which movement is that the wilderness society is having lots of problems the moment something to do with two separate bodies, they are or are going to court over it.

    I would be shocked if it was the other one name escapes me at the moment. but then
    One thing that really enrages me about the environment people they do not consider other policies their world seems to be only around the environment .

  37. 737
    vp
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Spolier alert for the Euro tragics

    Eurovision song contest winner announced

     http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/30/2913062.htm 

  38. 738
    vp
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Frank,

    Joe McCarthy would be so proud.

  39. 739
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    to Karen Middleton.

    i thought she may have left sbs last week they had other journalist on that did not express an opinion.
    is Middleton Jim Middleton’s wife or daughter.

  40. 740
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    You know we had some good commentator yesterday, so it s not all bad.

  41. 741
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that the Govt Health Ads were approved by the A-G.

  42. 742
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/

    good read i suggest you all pass it on.

  43. 743
    Boerwar
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    The thing that concerned me about this morning’s Insiders was that Karen Middleton agreed with much of what was being said. She is by no means a stitched up member of the fibbocrats.

    She tackled Bolt front on about asylum seekers when he turned his fibbers to that topic – and took him apart.

    But, apart from a general acknolwedgement that the Rudd Government had saved Oz from the GFC, there was a general feel of FAIL and that much of the feeling been earned by Rudd’s penchant for overpromising and under-delivering.

  44. 744
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile in Fantasyland – It’s Red’s in the Miners Beds.

    Frank what type of affect do you think this sort of add will have.

  45. 745
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    middleton i like sbs when she is not there.

  46. 746
    Boerwar
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    The Fair Mining Tax is Rudd’s Last Chance Saloon. He has to win the shootout with the Miners. If there is even a whiff of a backflip, he’s a goner.

  47. 747
    Dee
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Socrates
    Before answering, did anyone else have trouble getting on to Crikey today?
    The comment about the Swedish reactor was to highlight that problems do exist. Small problems & small human errors represent enormous rammifications.
    There are numerous sites on the web that reference the radiation dumping ground on the Irish coast.
    http://www1.american.edu/ted/sella.htm
    Check out the cleanup bill.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/19/sellafield-nuclear-plant-cumbria-hazards
    http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=312
    I know there are up & coming whizz bang reactors such as thorium which I believe to be still in the experimental phase. But, in the areas where reactors are at present the landscape will forever wear the problems.
    These problems didn’t occur on their own. They were man made. What makes you think that somehow a wonderful new model reactor means best practice?

  48. 748
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile the Miners have opened their gobs and put their foot in it:

    Exhibit A:

     http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/govt-wants-to-be-a-silent-partner-says-rio/story-e6frg6n6-1225873111746 

    Exhibt B:

     http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/national/7315464/mining-magnate-lambasts-govt-over-tax-ads/ 

    Methinks their 30 & 35% Tax respectivley will come back and bite them on the bum.

  49. 749
    my say
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    security is so hair-splitting. Still think Labor let Bishop off way too lightly, as did the MSM\

    yes i would of liked to have seen the federal police interview her as i am sure if it had been a public servant that would of hap pend, and after all all mps are public servants

    But then with the way the media is who knows whose side they would of come down on,
    it seems that what ever Mr, Rudd does he dammed, i think the media are so strange.
    as i have said before bad policy visits us, all if Abbott where to do all the things he said and the liberal party stand for then they would be effected to,

    I am so sick of their opinion, can we just have them write something and we decide
    it think its back to not buying papers etc. with yesterday few good thinking comments in Fairfax i started to think perhaps we would buy the papers again but still thinking.
    and sbs now i am rethinking them too.

  50. 750
    dave
    Posted Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    BP advertisement from 1999

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/05/bp-advertisement-from-1999.html

    How very true

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