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Nielsen: 61-39 to Coalition

GhostWhoVotes tweets that the first post-carbon tax announcement poll from Nielsen, presumably conducted between Thursday to Saturday from a sample of 1400, has the Coalition’s lead out from 59-41 to 61-39. Further comment superfluous, but primary votes and leadership figures, and presumably also some attitudinal stuff, to follow.

UPDATE: After falling a point short of overtaking Julia Gillard in last month’s poll, Tony Abbott has rocketed to an 11-point lead as preferred prime minister, up five points to 51 per cent with Gillard down six to 40 per cent.

UPDATE 2: Labor primary vote down a point to 26 per cent …

UPDATE 3: Michelle Grattan in the Sydney Morning Herald:

In results that will send waves of fear through the government, approval for Ms Gillard’s performance has tumbled another 3 points to 34 per cent, while her disapproval rating has jumped 3 to 62 per cent. The carbon plan has been given an unequivocal thumbs down, with 56 per cent of respondents opposed to a carbon price, 52 per cent rejecting the government’s carbon price and compensation package, and 53 per cent believing it will leave them worse off. More than half (56 per cent) say Ms Gillard has no mandate for her plan, and the same proportion want an early poll before the plan is introduced. Nearly half (47 per cent) think Bob Brown and the Greens are mainly responsible for the government’s package. More than half (52 per cent) say an Abbott government should repeal the package while 43 per cent believe it should be left in place under a new government. Ms Gillard yesterday denied she had been ringing around to gauge backbench support for her failing leadership.

The Coalition’s primary vote is up 2 points to 51 per cent, while the Greens’ is down 1 point to 11 per cent. Approval of Mr Abbott has risen a point to 47 per cent. His disapproval is down 2 points to 48 per cent … Ms Gillard’s approval rating is her worst so far and the lowest for a PM since Paul Keating’s 34 per cent in March 1995.

UPDATE (18/7/2011): Essential Research is kinder for the government, showing a slight improvement from last week’s worst-ever result for them: the Coalition’s lead is down from 57-43 to 56-44, with the Coalition down a point to 49 per cent, Labor up one to 31 per cent and the Greens steady on 11 per cent. Essential being a two-week rolling average, this was half conducted immediately before and half immediately after the carbon tax announcement, with the latter evidently having provided the better figures. I have noted in the past that, for whatever reason, Essential seems to get more favourable results for the carbon tax than phone pollsters: as well as being consistent with the voting intention findings (albeit not to the extent of statistical significance), the Essential survey also finds direct support for the carbon tax has increased since the announcement, with approval up four points to 39 per cent and disapproval down four to 49 per cent.

This raises at least the possibility that the phone polling methodology behind the recent Morgan and Nielsen results, as well as next week’s Newspoll, is skewed somewhat against the carbon tax – unless of course the internet-based Essential (or perhaps some other aspect of Essential’s methodology) is skewed in its favour. It should also be noted that Essential’s recovery only returns support to the level it was at in the June 14 survey, before a dive on July 11. For all that, respondents are just as pessimistic about their own prospects under the tax as were Morgan’s: 10 per cent say they will be better off against 69 per cent worse off, and 46 per cent believe it will be bad for Australia against 34 per cent good. Further questions inquire about respondent’s self-perceived level of knowledge about the tax, and their reactions about a range of responses to it.

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  1. Atlantis is just below Australia.

    Tom Hanks is at the controls.

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm

  2. yep the fairy tale ended for Gillard on a lump of coal and a aspirational Green save the word tax.

    quick, send that slogan to Tony!

    by george on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm

  3. hola bludgo’s

    frank

    nightlife wouldnt let me on
    :(

    bastards

    by gusface on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm

  4. btw

    must watch video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apScD-kcP84

    by gusface on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm

  5. Atlantis below Tasmania
    http://www.n2yo.com/

    Tom Hanks is at the controls

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm

  6. gusface

    Posted Thursday, July 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    hola bludgo’s

    frank

    nightlife wouldnt let me on

    bastards

    But Sandra was good wasn’t she :-)

    by Frank Calabrese on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:08 pm

  7. Y is everyone bullying Glen by the way???

    mod, everyone bullies the Village Idiot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E

    by The Finnigans on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:08 pm

  8. Everyone wave to Atlantis!

    by confessions on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:08 pm

  9. rummel,

    60,000 tonne extra coal sales means the fairy tale has only just begun for Australia and our highly intelligent, well spoken and popular PM Gillard.

    You can keep harbouring your mother issues and you probably need some psychological counselling for your anger issues against women. But, Australia must and is moving on to a better low carbon economy.

    Read about it in the papers tomorrow and in to the future.

    by Greensborough Growler on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm

  10. Atlantis is 393 kilometers in front of the peloton.

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm

  11. Am watching Atlantis on A-pac. Very cool NASA imagery.

    by confessions on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:11 pm

  12. word = world

    by rummel on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:11 pm

  13. Gorgeous Dunny

    Ya’ll are forgetting about Angela Merkel and Maggie Thatcher…both Tories!
    … And both accepted the science on climate change, in common with our current PM here. Maybe it’s easier for women to accept the science and be concerned for the future.

    Tories yes, BUT, Maggie T was a real live Chemist (not pharmacist) and Merkel a Physicist. Just shows you what happens when science literate people look at the facts. So what do we get ? Idiots believing the likes of Alan Jones, Howard Sattler and Lord Monkeyshines.

    by poroti on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm

  14. Shows On,

    How will this affect Cadel’s chances in the big race?

    by Greensborough Growler on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm

  15. How can you watch the Atlantis in Sydney, it’s farqing raining deluge for the whole day

    by The Finnigans on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm

  16. Finns,

    Sunshine came softly through my window today.

    by Greensborough Growler on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm

  17. Greensborough Growler

    You are on fire, last night you accused me of be violent, tonight “psychological counselling for your anger issues against women” nice. Nice to see a Dr in the house, do you bulk bill?

    by rummel on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm

  18. Frank – I’ll edit the first one once I finish with the second one – does the second one need editing?

    by george on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm

  19. GG, you are a Superman

    by The Finnigans on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm

  20. Great footage on 10′s 7PM.

    Abbott visiting children’s ward at hospital.

    He bends down to display his human side.

    He stands promptly and moves back after being told child suffering salmonella.

    by charlton on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm

  21. Shows On,

    How will this affect Cadel’s chances in the big race?

    Well, Atlantis is currently traveling at 7.3 KM/s relative the the Earth. can Cadel ride that fast?

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm

  22. rummel,

    Hang around.

    You’ll get all the service you require for your particular insanities.

    by Greensborough Growler on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:16 pm

  23. When Julia Gillard was Minister for Education, some of PB’s Labor Party loyalists with education degrees/teaching experience cautioned that the minister would be wise not to be overly influenced by visiting New York City Schools Chancellor Joel Klein. Klein being a Democrat placed him above criticism for some, despite his conservative educational program working under former Democrat turned right-wing Republican and now “Independent” Mayor Bloomberg. Well, Mr. Klein has turned up again in a role which might surprise some PB’ers:

    On July 6, 2011, Rupert Murdoch, chairman of the News Corporation[11] and the company’s CEO, announced that Joel Klein would “provide important oversight and guidance” in the internal investigation of phone hacking at News of the World.[12] Klein took over the investigation, with fellow director Viet D. Dinh, from News International UK Chief Executive, Rebekah Brooks, whose own involvement in the phone hacking scandal made her unable to continue as an impartial investigator.[13]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Klein

    The long term consequences of Mr. Klein’s NYC Schools “reforms” were raised by President Obama’s education adviser during her recent visit to Australia, and an article today titled “How Rupert Murdoch Could Get His Hands On Your Kid’s Information–And It’s Legal” in the Alternet website opined this about Mr. Klein.

    Rupert Murdoch hired former NYC schools chancellor Joel Klein to help him profit off of "school reform"--but progressive groups are raising the alarm.

    Klein, notorious for his harsh demeanor and polarizing rhetoric, implemented numerous reforms during his reign as chancellor from 2002 to 2010, including emphasizing data-driven initiatives, and closing schools and opening charter schools in their place. Now, in News Corp’s Education Division, he aims to create tools and strategies he believes will transform the field of education.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/151717/how_rupert_murdoch_could_get_his_hands_on_your_kid%27s_information–and_it%27s_legal?akid=7283.276120.kedTAB&rd=1&t=18

    by Atticus on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:16 pm

  24. 7167

    george

    Posted Thursday, July 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Frank – I’ll edit the first one once I finish with the second one – does the second one need editing

    only the last 15 mionutes need removing as it’s the book reading.

    Overnights you have to edit out the ABC News Breakfast preview and the Film review segment – though the preview of ABC News Breakfast might be worth keeping as it illustrates what crap is said.

    by Frank Calabrese on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:16 pm

  25. the fairy tale has only just begun for Australia and our highly intelligent, well spoken and popular PM Gillard.

    HEAR HEAR

    by drake on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:17 pm

  26. Finns,

    With the Government’s CC legislation in the news, I’d prefer to be Green Lantern atm.

    by Greensborough Growler on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:17 pm

  27. GG

    “60,000 tonne extra coal sales means the fairy tale has only just begun for Australia and our highly intelligent, well spoken and popular PM Gillard.”

    which is it? PM Gillard promoting dirty coal while taxing us stupid to pay for co2, or PM Brown wanting to close down coal energy while taxing us stupid to pay for clean energy ?.

    by rummel on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:18 pm

  28. The Finnigans

    Y is everyone bullying Glen by the way???

    mod, everyone bullies the Village Idiot

    They even have a record out sung by The Bloodhound Gang called ” Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyYoeirX_w

    by poroti on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:18 pm

  29. Atticus:

    Joel Klein was sat behind James at the select committee hearing the other night.

    by confessions on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:18 pm

  30. Not much discussion on here about this worrying headline. The Govt needs this like a hole in the head.

    Of course the headline is a distortion and far removed from reality. I’m sure I could pay up to $190 per month on phone and broadband if I wanted to already. However for my current spend (and not on a highly inflated Telstra plan) I could get 5 times the speed and 6 times the quota on the Internode NBN plan.

    Surely the headline wouldn’t be a scare from a vested media interest, would it?

    by It’s Time on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:19 pm

  31. this bit:

    The opposition leader Tony Abbott says Mr Wignall is an expert, with expertise in economics, and should thus not be listened to on the topic of the economy

    :D !

    Seriously though, its really interesting how there’s such a large disconnect between how people (often influenced by Abbott’s constant negativity) judge the government’s handling of the economy and how experts consider it.

    by rishane on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm

  32. Great footage on 10?s 7PM.

    Abbott visiting children’s ward at hospital.

    He bends down to display his human side.

    He stands promptly and moves back after being told child suffering salmonella.

    This I’ll record and put on the YouTuberlator.

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:22 pm

  33. frank

    link to sandra?

    by gusface on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:22 pm

  34. Atticus

    When Julia Gillard was Minister for Education, some of PB’s Labor Party loyalists with education degrees/teaching experience cautioned that the minister would be wise not to be overly influenced by visiting New York City Schools Chancellor Joel Klein

    That was when I really doubted her judgment. FFS, all metrics when it comes to education puts Australian kids miles ahead of America. The only thing a US edjumacation “expert” could teach us is the optimum ratio of armed guards to students and the best places for metal detectors. It really was stupid.

    by poroti on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:23 pm

  35. NBN = Makes pretending to save the world through a Carbon tax look cheep.

    by rummel on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm

  36. Gillard sounds more like a primary school teacher than actually being condescending.

    Unfortunately Dio her audience (general public and journos alike) are as wilfully ignorant on the topics of her speakings as primary school kids are in their genuine ignorance. Unfortunately too many of Gillard’s audience are too ignorant to know how ignorant they really are.

    by It’s Time on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm

  37. He stands promptly and moves back after being told child suffering salmonella.

    Was that before or after the Abbott visitation ?

    by poroti on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm

  38. Atlantis is traveling at 16,000 Miles and Hour!

    Beat that Cadel Evans!

    Tom Hanks has a lead foot!

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:24 pm

  39. latest state of play on Murdoch and the FBI

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/us-attorney-general-welcomes-meeting-request-from-9-11-families-on-alleged-phone-hacking-120956

    by sprocket_ on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:25 pm

  40. gusface

    Posted Thursday, July 21, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    frank

    link to sandra?

    Still being recorded from the stream by George.

    Watch this space

    by Frank Calabrese on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm

  41. They even have a record out sung by The Bloodhound Gang called ” Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me?”

    Poroti, after that, they come to take him away ha ha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ-XvvzI

    by The Finnigans on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm

  42. ATLANTIS ABOUT TO ENTER EARTH”S ATMOSPHERE!

    YES TONY ABBOTT, THE EARTH DOES HAVE AN ATMOSPHERE, AND IT INCLUDES CARBON DIOXIDE THAT YOU SEEM TO ALWAYS PRONOUNCE AS “DOCK SIDE”

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm

  43. cheep = cheap

    by rummel on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:26 pm

  44. Atlantis descending at 500 feet per second

    by ShowsOn on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:27 pm

  45. Glen @ 7032:

    Ms Gillard talks in a condescending way and speaking down to people as if she’s smart and we’re all stupid. No wonder she’s so unpopular.

    The PM is smart; not ‘…as if she’s smart…’.

    You surely wouldn’t want her to act dumb to keep her audience happy, would you?

    No offence but you seem to go quite quickly from making valid argument to the subject one.

    by charlton on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:27 pm

  46. cheep = cheap

    yep, that what you are

    by The Finnigans on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:27 pm

  47. shows

    tone always sitting on the dockside by the bay

    by gusface on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:28 pm

  48. Fess,
    Many thanks for that—most observant of you.

    I haven’t yet see any of the Murdoch’s Parliamentary session, but will now check it out on a “highlight” youtube clip.

    by Atticus on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:28 pm

  49. @It’s Time/7159.

    I spend upto $190 on my total Internet/Phone now.

    This includes, Broadband at ADSL Speeds (even though on ADSL2+ Exchange), Land Line Extortion Fee of $30 per month and $50 ish dollars worth of Phone Calls per month.

    I’d prefer $190 per month for internet and just use VOIP (SkyPE etc).

    by zoidlord on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:28 pm

  50. btw pt2

    if you dont tear up after watching that vid at 7153

    your unaustralian

    by gusface on Jul 21, 2011 at 7:29 pm

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