Essential Research: 54-46 to Coalition
This week’s Essential Research poll has Labor recovering the point they lost last week, with the Coalition lead on two-party preferred down from 55-45 to 54-46. However, the primary vote figures suggest there is little in the change: the major parties are steady on 34 per cent for Labor and 48 per cent for the Coalition (although a one-point drop for the Liberals disappears from the Coalition total after rounding), with the Greens up a point to 11 per cent. Other questions find mounting opposition to the contention that the budget should return to surplus at all costs. Seventy-one per cent declared themselves opposed if doing so meant “cutting services and raising taxes”, with only 13 per cent supportive. Fifty-eight per cent said there was no need for the budget to return to surplus so quickly compared with 38 per cent in April, but if the government remains determined, the number who believe it should be paid for by removing tax breaks for high income earners (59 per cent) and increasing taxes for corporations (72 per cent) is up eight and nine points respectively. Only 35 per cent nominated cuts to “middle-class welfare”.
Further evidence of voters’ curiously social democratic bent was furnished by a question in which respondents were asked to indicated whether various parties had benefited from the mining boom: 68 per cent said yes for mining company executives, 48 per cent for shareholders and 42 per cent for foreign companies, against 12 per cent for regional communities and 11 per cent for “all Australians”. There was also an interesting question on the leaders’ performances during Barack Obama’s visit, in light of suggestions that Julia Gillard had been too effusive and Tony Abbott had politicised the occasion. The results suggest much more support for the latter contention than the former: Gillard’s performance was rated good by 38 per cent and poor by 23 per cent, compared with 18 per cent and 30 per cent for Abbott.
Categories: Federal Politics 2010-
mod
the real issue is north v south
and our indigene not having parl representation
by gusface on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Could it have been that the Maori’s commanded more respect from the settlers because they were more warriorlike than our aborigines who were quite docile in comparison. Or have I read the wrong part of history?
by BH on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm
What do you mean?
Only 9% of Aboriginal Australians live in remote locations like the Top End
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Mod Lib
Theres ya go.A classic example of how Aboriginal leaders have hitched their wagon to the wrong bunch. The use of the word “nations” the term of choice for the Inuit.Ignoring the people that have the most to offer just over the Tasman.
by poroti on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Musrum if you are around.
I am running Chrome under Ubuntu at present and when I loaded Chrome, Tampermonkey gave me a message about the new version of cccp and asked if I wanted to load it! Really cool.
I loaded it and, yes, there is the new help with all the smileys.
Now if only I had cccp on my iPad!
Is there any way I can run cccp on my iPad? Apart from Safari, I have also installed Diigo Browser which I prefer.
A new challenge?
by bemused on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:15 pm
madcyril:
I have bought books online, and then felt guilty when I’ve run into the local bookshop owner and he tells me how slow business has been this year.
I guess I just shirk the hard decisions!!
by confessions on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Gus:
The majority of indigenous Australians live in urban and regional parts of the country.
by confessions on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:16 pm
@confessions
I had a little involvement with some native title matters and the differences in dealing with different groups adds a whole new level of complexity. Just when you think you’re getting the hang of at least some of the basics you get to deal with Torres Straight Islanders ….
by CTar1 on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:16 pm
The Maori “iwi” has also been translated to mean ‘nation’, although it apparently literally means bones (i.e., people who are linked to the same ancestral line).
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:17 pm
I am curious and its none of my business of course
But why would u want to spend your free time with a blogg full of progressives
by my say on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:18 pm
umm
I am referring to civil war attitudes
we need to convince the “southerners” to treat the indignene as an equal
a lot will flow from that one simple mindset change
by gusface on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:18 pm
I don’t think so, confessions. I feel the same. It’s sort of sense of loyalty but the book shop dilemma was solved for me when the last Angus & Robertson left town. Nobody else seems to have taken over yet altho I feel there is room for at least 1 decent book shop apart from the limited range at KMart and BigW.
by BH on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm
I am a political tragic.
I have watched it like a hawk from my high school days, no idea how i got hooked, just did. Like Latham said, its like a soap opera for me. I like to know the back story of what is happening when the pollies get out in front of the camera and spout their lines. The power to change is hypnotic.
I see PB as being a political blog (compared with Frank’s ALP blog which I wouldn’t contribute to, even if I would be welcome there!!!).
When I watch a political show (have been watching sky as I dont have it at home now) I tend to get on here. Also, when new polls arrive.
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:21 pm
kezza2
Who knows what has gotten into Grattan. It is probably a one day wonder!
by victoria on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Also, My say, you may be surprised to know what my views are on a number of issues you would classify as “progressive” by the way!
Remember, Fred not Dick Cheney…
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:22 pm
BH:
You could start with the Pinjarra Massacre, and work from there. I think the term ‘docile’ is inappropriate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pinjarra
by confessions on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Gus:
You are absolutely right.
It is as simple, and as out of reach at the moment, as mutual respect.
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Good night, Bludgers.
by Scringler on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:26 pm
BH
Not just warlike but they also caught on to money and trade real quick. In fact Maori built and bought sailing ships to trade with NSW from the early 1800′s. Maori chiefs proclaimed a Declaration of Independence in 1835 to obtain a flag under which their ships could sail. This to stop the #$%^^#^6 NSW peasants siezing ships not sailing under a flag. The trade in timber and flax was worth tens of thousands of pounds. A fair whack of money back then.
http://maaori.com/develop/commindep.html
by poroti on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Gus:
You can’t organise racism towards indigenous Australians on the basis of north vs south; our indigenous population experiences racism and ignorance from the mainstream whether they live in remote NT, or inner Sydney.
by confessions on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Night Scringler
by victoria on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Thefinnigans TheFinnigans天地有道人无道
What Gerry Harvey & Alan Joyce have in common? Give their customers a 2 finger salute. Amazing #StupidBusinessMen
now
by The Finnigans on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm
BH:
No chain bookstores here, thank heavens! I think I really would buy online if there were.
by confessions on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm
@bemused – Linux is neat. I have it on a notebook and I also have a laptop with Mr Gates suff I use for work.
I’d much prefer the Linux – and everything being free works for me as well!
by CTar1 on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm
fess
i meant the north south thing as an analogy
not a literal geographic distinction as such
by gusface on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Mod Lib
If there were more Fred Chaney’s around I’d be happy to vote for the Liberal Party.
by poroti on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Ah, Mod Lib, Fred Cheney is my favourite Lib of all time along with Jim Killen. Cheney for his decency, particularly on indigenous issues and Killen for his incredible humour.
How sad that we may again never see the like of the repartee between Killen and Daley.
by BH on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Yes I do remember the. Cheney’s
by my say on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Yes jim killen , I had to remind my self he was actually a lib,
by my say on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Well, that was fun – decided to rewire a jungle of cat6 cables that were forming a spaghetti jungle throughout the room – 43 points to 2 switches, beautifully cabled throughout a brand new rack, including all the power cords, and 4 hours later back online! Not doing that again in a hurry
by george on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:33 pm
poroti and BH: Ah yes, them was the days!
Fred Chaney, Phillip Ruddock (in his previous incarnation), Georgiou….
Perhaps Turnbull can revive the sleeping giant?
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Mod Lib, funny you should use “Ruddock” and “incarnation” in the same sentence
by george on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm
So the Liberals have a problem with people studying for Liberal Arts degrees at university.
Too funny!
Though it does give the lie to the description “Liberal” in Liberal Party.
by Cuppa on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Bruce Goodluck appearing out of nowhere in the HoR in a Chicken suit – they’ve lost their sence of fun … (well, said to be Bruce Goodluck – no one owned up).
by CTar1 on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:37 pm
This is much better than Pollytrend!!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/10/horse_race_politics_an_animation_of_the_2012_republican_campaign.html
by Diogenes on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Mod Lib
Yes a real shame about the great Liberal Party “Wets vs Drys” war. It damaged the party and the nation.
by poroti on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 pm
poroti – my lack of knowledge of New Zealand history is embarrassing. Must do some reading. I had no idea the Maroi people were so astute.
confessions – I stand corrected. I had heard of the Battle of Pinjarra and had forgotten it so that was an excellent refresher. Thanks.
by BH on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:41 pm
You are an odd fellow Mod Lib (assuming you are a fellow!).
When not parroting Fib talking points or just making stuff up you are quite reasonable and would have no trouble fitting in with my ALP branch members.
I googled to find out what the LIME conference was about and if I got the right one it is about Indigenous Health. “Leaders in Indigenous Medical Education”.
What is your involvement? It is not what one expects a self proclaimed Fib to be involved in.
by bemused on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:41 pm
George. When is some one please going to invent a one corded computer
My. Son in law has now put all his wires, router behind the wall in the new extension but. What happens when something goes wrong
But from a house proud person it looks dreadful I try to hide them, vases, pot plants, nice books ect
by my say on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Bemused,
If Mod Lib could throw off the decades of brainwashing from the conservatives about their so-called “superior economic management” – divest himself of the worthless and personally-debasing Fib talking points … he might find the scales fall from his eyes quicksmart. Time to ditch allegiance to the party of the 1 per centers and get with the moral majority.
by Cuppa on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Can’t agree with that, mod lib. Turnbull is nothing like Fred Cheney. More Dick than Fred I’d say.
by BH on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm
my say, one day there will be fast enough wireless for short proximity computing, but for now, when moving large files around, and connecting multiple network appliances, and computers, there’s no other option.
When we get our reno down, there will be plenty of ethernet behind walls, but there will still be wired stuff visible. It’s inevitable in my line of work and when you deal with desktop/server style computers.
by george on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Phew, this Richard Peppiatt is caning the tabloids from an insider’s perspective.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8167000/8167512.stm
if you’ve missed it so far, the Guardian usually gives a good live coverage of the points made.
by kezza2 on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:50 pm
BH
Maori have been part of Sydney history from way back as indicated by in 1902 Maori in Australia were given the vote whilst all other “non whites” and Aboriginals were specifically excluded by law. Take sport .In 1888 the New Zealand Natives team toured Australia and the British Isles. They were a rugby team but played Victorian Rules games on the way though to Pomgolia against teams such as Carlton,Sth Melbourne,St Kilda and Essendon. Not bad eh ? Hakas and all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1888%E2%80%931889_New_Zealand_Native_football_team_matches
by poroti on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm
I was going to go to that but am at a related conference about equity. There are a lot of liberal supporters who are passionate about Indigenous health. You don’t need to be an ALP member for that.
I have heard these accusations so many times, but in the absence of specifics its very hard to respond to! At this stage, I stand by every post I have made and they are all what I actually believe. If they correspond to liberal party views I guess thats why I usually vote for them (it certainly aint because I have been given instructions to say them I can assure you).
I don’t think anything I have posted is “Fib talking points” (as you so kindly put it) or “made up”.
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm
The Maori achieved manhood suffrage (votes for adult men) in Parliament in 1867 which was 12 years before the rest of NZ but after the non-WA mainland Australian colonies.
However the application of a 1975 decision (a Labour decision watered down the next year by the Muldoon Government who reinstated a fixed 4 Maori seats) when they got the choice of the Maori role or general role they were under represented because of their being 4 Maori MPs for a proportion of the population that would require more. For example when the Maori seats were introduced in 1867 and there were 76 general seats 14-16 Maori seats would have been justified on a population basis.
http://www.elections.org.nz/study/education-centre/history/maori-vote.html
by Tom the first and best on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:54 pm
What a strange thing to say. As long as we have books in a library we don’t need teachers? We don’t need to discuss anything? We don’t need to be challenged on what we’ve learnt? We don’t need to prove what we’ve learnt?
Hmmmm … are you setting me up for something?
by Son of foro on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Since we are talking about Maori vs. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander history, I found out today that the first Maori doctor was in the 1800s and approximately a century before we could manage this milestone in Aus!
by Mod Lib on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Interesting response to the budget update.
Left the coalition and a few in the MSM a bit short of new attack angles it seems.
The baby bonus will get a run along with the creative accounting angle but apart from that they seem to be struggling. As someone posted earlier all a bit of P. & W.
The libs seem to have put up the white flag already with Hockey crying out that they will not put out their own budget update because labor steals their ideas ! He has also said that it may be two years before they finish finding all the waste in the budget and budget policies will be released in time for the next election. Talk about being on the front foot. Not !
Anyway, the coalition and MSM can scream all they like. The September quarter GDP figure is due for release early next month and will show good growth in that quarter. combine that with a rate cut in December or early next year and all looking good for the government.
Perhaps there is no need to sell or defend anything.
by Doyley on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Mod Lib:
Do you know who the first indigenous doctor was in Australia?
by confessions on Nov 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm