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Newspoll: 54-46 to Coalition

GhostWhoVotes tweets that the latest Newspoll has the Coalition two-party lead at 54-46, down from an aberrant 57-43 a fortnight ago. The Coalition is down four points on the primary vote to 44 per cent, which in fact returns them to where they were in the poll before last. Labor is up a point to 31 per cent, which is still a point shy of the previous poll, and the Greens are on 13 per cent, which compares with 10 per cent last time and 12 per cent the time before. Julia Gillard has consolidated the lead she opened up as preferred prime minister a fortnight ago, which ended five months of ascendancy for Tony Abbott: she is now up three to 43 per cent, with Abbott up one to 36 per cent. Gillard also has a less bad net approval rating than Abbott for the first time in eight months, with her approval up two points to 36 per cent (its highest in eight months) and disapproval up one to 56 per cent. Abbott is down one on approval to 33 per cent and up two on disapproval to 57 per cent, in both cases equalling his previous worst results and collectively producing his lowest ever net rating of minus 24.

UPDATE: Essential Research likewise has it at 54-46, unchanged from last week, with primary votes of 47 per cent for the Coalition (down one), 34 per cent for Labor (steady) and 10 per cent for the Greens (down one). Encouragingly for Labor, there has been a shift in sentiment in favour of the government seeing out its full term: support is up seven points since early September to 47 per cent, with “hold election now” down seven to 41 per cent. Less happily for them, a question on best party to handle 15 issues has Labor leading only on industrial relations, and then only slightly – the Liberals hold leads approaching 20 per cent for all economic questions, as well as “political leadership”. On the question of which issues will most influence vote choice, there has been little change since June.

UPDATE 2: Possum charts polling showing a shift in sentiment away from an early election:

However, the apparently radical nature of the shift from the first two polls to the last three is largely a function of the poorly framed question posed by Galaxy in the earlier cases, when respondents were offered the false dichotomy of “Gillard has a mandate for the carbon tax” and “an early election should be called”. Australia’s worst and least trusted major newspaper, the Daily Telegraph, used these obviously flawed results to run a front page lead claiming Australians were “demanding Julia Gillard call a fresh election” and an editorial headlined “voters demand a carbon tax ballot”. It will be interesting to see how the paper reports today’s contrary finding from Essential Research.

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  1. mari

    I don’t get to Scotland until 19 September but would be happy for William to give you my email address. (William, what is the protocol for this – do I have to ask you formally?)

    Mari, what a lovely excuse for visiting. I will be seeing some additions to the extended family since my last visit. Rather interestingly nearly every one of my mother’s brothers and sisters (and their families – 6 branches in all) came out here (all to Canberra) but none of my father’s, so I still have a few rellies on the paternal side in Scotland.

    In the last 50 years, however, there has been quite a diaspora with relatives leaving Canberra for other parts of the country (and even a cousin and his Aussie wife and children going to Scotland).

    by Allan Moyes on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm

  2. Still, we don’t have to worry about AS now. Tone would rather they arrive and be processed onshore.

    by Gary on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm

  3. I have always thought of “misogynist” as a generic term – the hatred of all women.

    Misogyny is the hatred of femaleness, and can extend beyond woman to hatred of all female things such as female animals, birds, and cute little pink cars called Norma.

    I don’t have hatred, just disgust when I see the difference in words and body language of certain women journos depending on whether they are talking to/about JG or TA.

    I give that my observations and attitudes are subjective, but I will let my churning stomach be my guide.

    by Puff, the Magic Dragon. on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:09 pm

  4. Allan Moyes

    Gorgeous Dunny @ 2665

    Sorry for the delay in response but I was preparing dinner.

    Alas, to my knowledge, am I not related to any famous Aussies with the name Moyes. It was a very common name in and around Fife so you never know, however – perhaps a distant cousin?.

    As you are a Fifer a name like Moyes could mean you have a Huguenot connection. So very much a French or German background may be the case for you.
    In Fife they were apparrently ninjas when it came to making coloured glass.
    http://www.bearne.com/files/HugPaper.pdf

    by poroti on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm

  5. The population of Manly is declining, maybe a hundred or so deserving asylum seekers a week could be made welcome?

    by ruawake on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm

  6. puuufyyyyyyyyyyy, what about a dragon hater?

    by The Finnigans on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm

  7. When all else fails – mention “The Boats’!

    A veritable cornucopia of good end of year stuff for the government and all sour grapes conservatives can come up with is ———wait for it ———The BOATS!

    They know it is all they got now but sadly for them, little of this boat stuff has the impact it used to. True, the angry, old and nutty on talkback radio go on about it, but nobody is really listening any more.

    Evidence – page 16 of The West, one small article – “Two new boatloads of arrivals detained”.

    That’s was it for today from the Golden West!

    It is only a matter of time – like the war in Iraq – that this will be relegated to about page 50, lost in a stack of ads.

    by Tricot on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:11 pm

  8. Poroti

    I definitely have a Huguenot connection but they were London based. Do you know anything of them

    by daretotread on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:12 pm

  9. The Finnigans

    puuufyyyyyyyyyyy, what about a dragon hater

    Misodrakonist ! Ta Da .

    by poroti on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:14 pm

  10. They are the worlds entrepreneurs, they have the skill to wangle thier way to Australia, perfect Lib preselection candidates. Why is Abbott stopping them? Idiot.

    :) yes they are. Maybe we should create two class of Refugees with the doubling of the number proposed by Labor.

    10000 places to rescue the poor camp sitter with no hope of finding $8000.

    and

    10000 places for the white collar refugee who pay the government $8000 to fly them out of Indonesia.

    by rummel on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:14 pm

  11. Fiiiinnnnyyyy

    what about a dragon hater?

    They are called toast.

    by Puff, the Magic Dragon. on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:15 pm

  12. That Patrick Bateman called me a homonym today and it doesn’t matter how you spell it out, it sounds the same to me. I’m peeved.

    by Greensborough Growler on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:16 pm

  13. Dragonborn, Dragonborn
    by his honor is sworn
    To keep evil forever at bay!
    And the fiercest foes rout
    when they hear triumph's shout,
    Dragonborn, for your blessing we pray!
    Hearken now, sons of snow, to an age, long ago
    and the tale, boldly told, of the one!
    Who was kin to both wyrm
    and the races of man
    with a power to rival the sun
    cut through enemies all
    as the Dragonborn issued his roar!
    Alduin, Bane of Kings,
    ancient shadow unbound,
    with a hunger to swallow the world!
    But a day, shall arise,
    when the dark dragon's lies,
    will be silenced forever and then!
    Fair Skyrim will be free from foul Alduin's maw!
    Dragonborn, Dragonborn
    by his honor is sworn
    To keep evil forever at bay!
    And the fiercest foes rout
    when they hear triumph's shout,
    Dragonborn, for your blessing we pray!

    Puffy will understand the dragon.

    Huzrah nu, kul do od, wah aan bok lingrah vod
    Aahrk fin tey, boziik fun, do fin gein!
    Wo lost fron wah ney dov
    ahrk fin reyliik do jul
    voth aan suleyk wah ronit faal krein!
    Vey zeim hokoron pah, ol fin Dovahkiin komeyt ok rein!
    Alduin, feyn do jun,
    kruziik vokun staadnau,
    voth aan bahlok wah diivon fin lein!
    Nuz aan sul, fent alok,
    fod fin vul dovah nok,
    fen kos nahlot mahfaeraak ahrk ruz!
    Paaz Keizaal fen kos stin nol bein Alduin jot!
    Dovahkiin, Dovahkiin
    naal ok zin los vahriin
    wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal!
    Ahrk fin norok paal graan
    fod nust hon zindro zaan
    Dovahkiin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!

    :)

    by ruawake on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm

  14. :) yes they are. Maybe we should create two class of Refugees with the doubling of the number proposed by Labor.

    10000 places to rescue the poor camp sitter with no hope of finding $8000.

    and

    10000 places for the white collar refugee who pay the government $8000 to fly them out of Indonesia.

    Wow! Now you’re talking!

    by Leroy on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm

  15. Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a promising Liberal politician called Peter Shack. Shack was health spokesman under the then Coalition leader, Andrew Peacock, and in that role he promised a lot.

    He spent most of 1989 promising he was working on a health policy that would save money by changing the Medicare system. Specifically, he promised his new policy would be revenue neutral and leave no one worse off.

    Embarrassingly, in January 1990, just two months before Peacock faced the prime minister, Bob Hawke, at an election, Shack was forced to admit he couldn't make the sums add up, alongside everything else the Coalition had committed to, and he wouldn't be able to deliver the policy.
    http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/beware-the-promises-not-properly-costed-20110701-1gv3q.html

    Apparently the former member for Tangney has been charged with defrauding a third party to the tune of $100,000. But I cannot find anything online about this.

    by confessions on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm

  16. When all else fails – mention “The Boats’!

    When all else fails and 542 turn up in one week you blame Abbott.

    “its abbott abbott abbott no no no”

    by rummel on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm

  17. Allan Moyes

    Posted Wednesday, December 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    mari

    I don’t get to Scotland until 19 September but would be happy for William to give you my email address. (William, what is the protocol for this – do I have to ask you formally?)

    Mari, what a lovely excuse for visiting. I will be seeing some additions to the extended family since my last visit. Rather interestingly nearly every one of my mother’s brothers and sisters (and their families – 6 branches in all) came out here (all to Canberra) but none of my father’s, so I still have a few rellies on the paternal side in Scotland.

    In the last 50 years, however, there has been quite a diaspora with relatives leaving Canberra for other parts of the country (and even a cousin and his Aussie wife and children going to Scotland

    I will ask William, and we can talk about Scotland without boring the rest of the PB’s

    by mari on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:18 pm

  18. rua,
    Wow!

    by Puff, the Magic Dragon. on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:19 pm

  19. FWIW, I watched that video of the PM’s presser and was struck by how the PM was managing the questions from the Press Gallery ( thanks to the bludger who posted this). There’s a segment where there are questions coming from at least two quarters, one of which is MG. The PM goes to the other question and signals to MG that she’ll be second. Gotta say, I laughed like a drain. Maybe MG is miffed she can’t be the “doyenne” to this PM in the Press Gallery.
    Nothing to do with gender necesarily and maybe JG is a bit sick of being called Ms. Guillard, not Prime Minister, by MG.
    Could be as simple as that.

    by Harry “Snapper” Organs on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:20 pm

  20. @rummel/2765,

    That’s because Tony failed to pass the necessary legislation to allow either solutions from either side to make the call, because of his pride, or lack of one.

    by zoidlord on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:21 pm

  21. Thanks BB, thanks Puff,

    It’s a relief, actually. A problem resolved. I now realize that I have to just hunker down and live with little Henry’s foibles. The peach tree is groaning with fruit. The nectarine is coming along well. Some plums are almost ready.

    Seems to me Little Henry was, in a former life, a fruit bat. He just loves mangoes. The peaches will be good for him, the nectarines better. This will be good.

    The big dogs, the boxers, check the peach tree every morning. And, very gently, remove a couple. They think that’s swell and who am I to argue.

    So. No more of this personal stuff from me.

    But … Fight, you bastards, fight.

    by Scringler on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm

  22. Two Business Spectator articles worth a look. The first is good piece on the Big Banks’ holding off on a rate decision

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Bashing-banks-for-a-rate-cut-pd20111207-PB9LP?opendocument&src=rss&utm_medium=twitter

    Bashing banks for a rate cut
    Stephen Bartholomeusz
    Published 6:30 PM, 7 Dec 2011 Last update 6:30 PM, 7 Dec 2011

    The timing of the Reserve Bank’s reduction in official rates couldn’t have fallen more awkwardly for the major banks, sandwiched as it was between last week’s modest downgrading of their credit ratings and the looming European Union summit at the weekend.

    ..............

    The uncomfortable silence of the banks would suggest that they don’t want to pass on the full 25 basis points and are hoping that one of their peers will lose patience first and wear the brunt of the storm that will ensue – much as NAB did last month when it kept a mere five basis points and retained its status as the major with the lowest headline mortgage rate.

    The second is on our mate, Lachlan

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Lachlan-Murdoch-not-there-yet-pd20111207-PB9S6?opendocument&src=rss&utm_medium=twitter

    Lachlan Murdoch; not there yet
    Paul Barry
    Published 5:49 PM, 7 Dec 2011 Last update 5:49 PM, 7 Dec 2011

    The Power Index
    It's a puzzle why Rupert Murdoch remains so keen for his eldest son to take over the family business, because Lachlan has never really looked like he would make a great fist of it.

    But, considering his lack of brilliance, the 40-year old enjoys remarkable power and influence. And, thanks to his money and connections, he remains a mogul in waiting.

    More in each article

    by Leroy on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm

  23. Puffy

    http://kotaku.com/5864685/grab-a-mug-of-mead-sit-back-and-enjoy-this-charming-bilingual-skyrim-song

    :)

    by ruawake on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:23 pm

  24. Allan Moyes Have done as I said and asked William to give you my email address

    by mari on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:23 pm

  25. daretotread

    Poroti

    I definitely have a Huguenot connection but they were London based. Do you know anything of them

    You may like to check out

    The Huguenot Society of London

    http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/

    by poroti on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:25 pm

  26. When all else fails and 542 turn up in one week you blame Abbott.

    Well, he has a chance to help the government stop them but he won’t.

    by Gary on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm

  27. And now for a laugh at the Victorian Government

    @ColinBrooksMP Colin Brooks
    Libs at #springst lose division to adjourn debate after speaker fails to appear.
    1 minute ago

    by Leroy on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm

  28. That Patrick Bateman called me a homonym today and it doesn’t matter how you spell it out, it sounds the same to me. I’m peeved.

    GG, it’s ok Amigo. he didnt call you nymphet :evil:

    by The Finnigans on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:27 pm

  29. Scringler,
    If you don’t mind, keep us in the loop from time to time with how Henry is going.

    by Puff, the Magic Dragon. on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:27 pm

  30. Libs at #springst lose division to adjourn debate after speaker fails to appear.
    1 minute ago

    How bizarre.

    by ruawake on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:28 pm

  31. poroti @ 2753

    Thanks for that link. Very interesting – I’d never come across a Huguenot connection before. I love delving in genealogy so I’ll do some more research.

    mari @ 2766

    Thanks. That would be lovely.

    by Allan Moyes on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:28 pm

  32. Leroy,

    He was doing an Abbott?

    by This little black duck on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm

  33. When all else fails and 542 turn up in one week you blame Abbott.

    “its abbott abbott abbott no no no”

    rummel, educate yourself. Otherwise your noggin will look like it just has a natural foreskin.

    http://www.unhcr.org/42b0195c2.html
    http://www.unhcr.org/49c796572.html
    http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/BoatArrivals.htm

    I doubt you’ll read any of them.

    by george on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm

  34. MartinFoleyMP Martin Foley
    Am I reflecting on the chair if the member for bass missed the division + let the d speaker lose a vote in the house? Surely not!
    48 seconds ago

    Correction, looks like it was another MP. Would never happen under a knife edge LABOR government!

    by Leroy on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:31 pm

  35. Evidence – page 16 of The West, one small article – “Two new boatloads of arrivals detained”.

    That’s was it for today from the Golden West!

    Only cos There was a Triple Murder on the front page.

    Otherwise it would be at least a page 3 0r 4.

    by Frank Calabrese on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm

  36. Thanks Poroti

    Pity they charge for services and no names listed. I (or at least someone else has) traced to 1680 or thereabouts.

    by daretotread on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm

  37. Ah, the Victorian gov’t.. It’s a bottler. Look out the rest of Oz if you want this inept lot in the Treasury benches. Off to QI for the nonce.

    by Harry “Snapper” Organs on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm

  38. Rummel@2765

    Not blaming Abbott or anyone else.

    Just making the point the conservatives (and it if the cap fits), when all else fails, and they have had a mediocre week, as they have, think they can fall back on the BOATS to bash the progressives over the head with.

    I was just making the point that this is an increasingly failed tactic.

    As I think it was you who first mentioned it here a few posts ago, one can only wonder how much longer you will use this limp piece of lettuce as a bogey man.

    Anyway, good luck to you here, as you are on a hiding to nothing on this site!

    by Tricot on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm

  39. Expect support for the AGW theory to collapse in SEQ. It is December and I have put the HEATER on- Nose was numb. Wow!!!!!!!!!!

    by daretotread on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm

  40. JacintaAllanMP Jacinta Allan
    Lib Govt loses ANOTHER vote. Search party sent out to find missing MP, xmas come early??? #springst
    8 minutes ago

    by Leroy on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm

  41. Allan Moyes

    poroti @ 2753

    Thanks for that link. Very interesting – I’d never come across a Huguenot connection before. I love delving in genealogy so I’ll do some more research.

    Consider also that if your family name Moyes was a version of Moyse then you would have jewish ancestry. Something I can recommend is joining up with the National Geographic project the Genographic Project. You can trace your deep ancestry movement over thousands of years and see where geographically you get high genetic matches. Have a look.

    The project
    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

    The kit
    http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/genographic-kits/genographic-project-international-public-participation-kit?code=SR90000

    by poroti on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

  42. If someone hates one woman, or a group of women, because they are women, then they are a misogynist. If that person hates them for other reasons, why not give those reasons rather than bringing the fact they are women into the debate?

    Looking at it logically, it seems to me that anyone who hates one woman purely because she is a woman must hate the lot of them. Conversely, if he doesn’t hate the rest of them, there MUST be other reasons why he hates that particular one, which are not related to her gender.

    by Darn on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

  43. The sting has gone out of AS since Labor stared down the coalition on boats.

    Normally the ABC loves boat arrivals, but a cursory glance at their news homepage shows no boats story at all. It’s all Fr Riley and other state-specific news.

    by confessions on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:38 pm

  44. Thanks for that answer, Allan.

    I don’t know much about Johnny Moyse’s history. He was raised in Adelaide and went to St Peters College around the turn of the 19th early 20th century. Other famous St Peters boys of that era were famous comedian Roy Rene (“Mo”) and baritone Peter Dawson.

    He didn’t quite make it as an international cricketer, getting only as far as 12th man about the time of Victor Trumper. But as a cricket writer and then a broadcaster he excelled. I think he might have been the first to chart just how good Bradman was and he remained a lifelong friend.

    by Gorgeous Dunny on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:38 pm

  45. http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/small-lenders-not-so-shy-in-cutting-rates/story-e6frfku0-1226216606656

    Small lenders not so shy in cutting rates
    AAP
    December 07, 2011 7:39PM

    by Leroy on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm

  46. daretotread

    Thanks Poroti

    Pity they charge for services and no names listed. I (or at least someone else has) traced to 1680 or thereabouts.

    Well the Huguenots were always known for their business acumen :) Try

    The French community in London before 1681 is estimated to be around 5,000. The Catholics were based around the parish of St Martin-in-the-Fields in Soho, and the Strand where they sold French texts and news-sheets and kept close to court. There was a Huguenot settlement around the City where a Huguenot church had been established in 1550 on Threadneedle Street. It was rich; the congregation was stuffed with bankers, brokers and gentlemen. They had seen l'écriture sur le mur and they were ready for the influx of desperate refugees.

    http://www.georgianlondon.com/the-london-huguenots
    http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/huguenot.htm

    by poroti on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:41 pm

  47. Australian, Afghan and US forces in Afghanistan have destroyed nearly two tonnes of poppy seeds, which are used to produce heroin.

    No wonder the locals are blowing them up.

    by ruawake on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:43 pm

  48. Eat Your heart out Bludgers:

    Thefinnigans TheFinnigans天地有道人无道
    @
    @latikambourke This is the REAL movie Dolphin Tale (2011) – dolphintalemovie.warnerbros.com/index.html – #FlipFlipFlip
    1 minute ago

    http://dolphintalemovie.warnerbros.com/index.html#/home

    by The Finnigans on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:43 pm

  49. poroti

    Thanks for the links – I’ve bookmarked them to browse later.

    Gorgeous Dunny

    You’re welcome. Although I can’t say I’m a strong sports fan myself, I’ve actually heard of Johnny Moyse (and, of course, Victor Trumper). Who is this Bradman of whom you speak? :) Obviously tongue-in-cheek!

    by Allan Moyes on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:44 pm

  50. See you guys later – the dinner gong has just sounded. Well, the microwave buzzer has gone off!

    by Allan Moyes on Dec 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm

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