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Gillard 71, Rudd 31

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard’s winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning’s Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at the higher end of market expectations.

UPDATE: The official announcement has actually been that the margin was 71-31. Headline amended. Apologies that comments are currently off, which has been necessary to manage Crikey’s notoriously shaky bandwidth.

UPDATE 2: Ongoing apologies for the offness of the comments. Essential Research has come in at 56-44, up from 55-45 last week and 54-46 the week before. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 32 per cent and the Coalition’s is up one to 49 per cent, with the Greens steady on 11 per cent. Further questions have 39 per cent blaming Julia Gillard for Labor’s problems against 18 per cent for Kevin Rudd, 23 per cent for others in the party and 10 per cent for the media. Reactions to the Gonski report are typically social democratic, with 61 per cent preferring more education funding to a return to a budget surplus and 68 per cent supporting the report’s recommendations as described against 13 per cent opposed.

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  • 1
    ltep
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    How does this compare with the margin of victory of previous leadership ballots?

  • 2
    confessions
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Latham points to previous two-strike challengers (Fraser, Keating, Beazely) and notes the symmetry in that they all increased their margins by around a dozen 2nd time around. Rudd would need to pick up 23 in a 2nd challenge, which Latham says is in la-la land.

  • 3
    DavidWH
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    It’s still pretty comprehensive.

  • 4
    kakuru
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    If nothing else, this should extirpate the meme that Rudd was ‘knifed’ by Gillard. This was a contest, fair and square.

  • 5
    MsAdventure
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Nobody abstained despite speculation

  • 6
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    well

    now

    sadly, i think this isnt the end of it

  • 7
    confessions
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Further Rudd destabilisation would shift more votes away from him.

    Rudd is not coming back.

  • 8
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    William

    coming in at the higher end of market expectations.

    At the higher end for whom? Kev or Jules?

  • 9
    Patrick Bateman
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    So what does the party do with him now? How can they control him and stop any further white-anting and destabilisation?

  • 10
    Dario
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    ‘reportedly reports’

    I like it :)

  • 11
    confessions
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    ltep:

    Speers says the PM has got the highest vote and Rudd the lowest challenger vote in any leadership spill.

    Is this true?

  • 12
    triton
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Latham has added more to this in 15 minutes than everyone else combined today.

  • 13
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Error 503 Service Unavailable

    Service Unavailable

    Guru Meditation:

    XID: 1003734839

    Varnish cache server

    Crikey fail!

  • 14
    Puff, the Magic Dragon.
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Greg Jericho ‏ @GrogsGamut

    lolz RT @TommyTudehope: Someone should go and console Peter Hartcher.
    5m Le Grace

  • 15
    The Finnigans
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    How does this compare with the margin of victory of previous leadership ballots?

    The biggest EVER

  • 16
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Apologies for the current comments shutdown, which is being done for bandwidth management purposes. Will be back on shortly.

  • 17
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    10:58 – 14:20 bandwidth management?!

  • 18
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Slipper not tolerating any nonsense from the Noaltion.

  • 19
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Sophie!

  • 20
    CTar1
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Craig Emerson trusted.

  • 21
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think the PM is entirely unprepared for these questions.

  • 22
    rishane
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Hartcher sounds bitter his man lost, its amusing: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/will-of-the-people-fails-to-sway-caucus-20120227-1txt2.html

  • 23
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    I reckon -13 is just another way of saying 31.

  • 24
    Nick
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Are we back up?

  • 25
    Graeme Orr
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Let’s quickly bury the myth of ‘the biggest margin ever’. Even in a caucus vote of only 88, Doc Evatt defeated Tom Burke by 68 to 20. There may be others.

    (I admire some of Gillard’s qualities enough to refrain from mentioning how successful Evatt’s leadership proved…)

  • 26
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    BobKat – 30 seconds. Which will finish first?

  • 27
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Julia is responding to the SSO.

  • 28
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    BishopJ got sat down for not staying on topic.

    Truss says “Outrageous!” and gets booted for his trouble.

    Pyne POOs and looses big time.

  • 29
    Boerwar
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    It’s the Think Big – Gerbil conspiracy. We thirty-oners want the steak.

  • 30
    murgatroyd
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Ltep @ 1,
    Refer here – http://parliamentflagpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/alp-leadership.html

  • 31
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Further questions have 39 per cent blaming Julia Gillard for Labor’s problems against 18 per cent for Kevin Rudd, 23 per cent for others in the party and 10 per cent for the media.

    They obviously didn’t poll too many PBers.

  • 32
    shellbell
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    This is like muscial threads.

    The only Essential I can see is from last week

  • 33
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Apologies yet again. Crikey’s new servers, I am told, “arrived last week and IT are beginning the process of transferring our site soon”.

  • 34
    imacca
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Ahh, back up. Well, QT situation normal. Fib/Nats getting tossed, and Bishop being a fool.

    Julia tearing them new orifice’s at the moment.

  • 35
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Any news on the reshuffle?

    I heard 10 seconds of Rudd’s speech. He was listing all his friends who were other Foreign Ministers.

    I had to switch off. Some people just don’t get it.

  • 36
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    William,

    No one is blaming you.

    New servers might do the job. Great!

  • 37
    shellbell
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Found it thanks. Any thoughts, William, why it goes south while the others go north

  • 38
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Damn Coorey – he had me all excited! No steak for me then haha.

    Well done BW and others.

  • 39
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Methinks no more Ms Nice Guy.

  • 40
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    BW

    31 Centre, Boerwar, mari , bluegreen,henry,sprocket

    On the money again!

  • 41
    Bar Bar
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    William – the latest Neilsen state by state breakdown shows marked improvement in Labor vote only in Qld and NSW (compared to the last on Feb 5) which indicates the respondants were dreaming of Rudd return. Interestingly there was a sharp swing to coalition in Vic as respondants apparently thought Julia would lose! Chances are the Newspoll quarterly will show the same.

    Essential poll seems more realistic and considered. Why would this be? Because it is on online poll?

  • 42
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Pyne ignored once again.

  • 43
    Boerwar
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    The press response was generally good. ‘The Australian’ used the term ‘rout’. But, but, but… It reported a Rudd backer wtte, it ain’t over… And that Mr Rudd had refused to rule out being drafted.

    It struck me while reading the coverage that the journos don’t actually like Mr Rudd all that much. But that might be a lowly punter’s projection.

  • 44
    imacca
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Albo up and firing.

    Dummy Spit. LOL!

  • 45
    shellbell
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    it will be interesting to see if the emphasis within foreign affairs changes with a new FM appointed

  • 46
    zoomster
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Diog

    I was waiting for him to thank the cameraman….

  • 47
    Aguirre
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Abbott gave a better rant in his SSO speech than he did to the media prior to QT. But it’s all been swamped in the mayhem that followed.

    The best they could do is try on a rehash of all the comment made during the week. Which we heard, though it looked like Bishop was just getting into her stride there when Slipper slapped her down. That done, Gillard gave a good forward-oriented response, and then Albanese attempted to go ballistic.

    I’m not sure we learnt very much, least of all what the Coalition are actually offering the voting public. We may never know that. They want the carnival to go on much more desperately than Rudd ever would.

  • 48
    The Big Ship
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Is Crikey now operating within optimum parameters? The steam engine must have blown a piston …

    It was mentioned prior to the blackout that Mark Latham provided more keen insight into the ALP party room (despite his absence from there for years) than all of the other gibbering media heads combined.

    Kevin Rudd is finished as a serious contender for the top job on the caucus numbers revealed this morning, at least in this current Parliament, but the usual suspects (Hartcher, Speers, Sheridan, et al) are already talking up another challenge, even as they are all still standing around in the corridors tweeting away like parrots, or sitting on their pontificating arses in a warm studio thousands of kilometres from Canberra. No amount of evidence to the contrary is going to sway these anti-Gillardites from their perpetual and incessant tirades against the viability of the PM continuing in office, let alone being competitive at the next election due in 2013.

    What has escaped some of these alleged political experts in the media, and was manifestly apparent to Mark Latham despite his jaundiced view of ALP politics, is that Rudd and Gillard are mere work colleagues, not friends or lovers, and don’t need to have a close working relationship to co-exist as effective MPS in this Parliament. Almost everyone can point to people they work with who they do not necessarily like, but one gets on with the work that one is paid to do towards the common end. Why is this so difficult for most journos to believe, even despite Rudd’s known political ambition? Even the most obtuse politician can eventually see the writing on the wall, if it is written in big enough letters.

    The task now for the ALP and for Julia Gillard is, to quote Abraham Lincoln, to bind up the nation’s (and the party’s) wounds, and with charity for all and malice towards none, to move beyond the recent rancour and concentrate on the real danger to our nation’s future – the dire potential for the egregious Tony Abbott to be our nation’s next PM.

  • 49
    mari
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Permalink
    BW

    31 Centre, Boerwar, mari , bluegreen,henry,sprocket

    On the money again!

    I was after the cutlets but was told that only sausages were left on Twitter, I had to make a big decision were they long thin ones or short fat ones, a lot of difference the reply was not for this genteel site, last thing I heard was I had the “chuck” steak, no more hours of laborious figuring out numbers for me , not worth it! Chuck steak

  • 50
    my say
    Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Heaps went to franks re break down

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